Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

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Sens keeping both, top 3 D paid ~25 million

Vegas: Theodore, Pie, McNabb - 16.85 million
Colorado: Makar, Girard, Toews - 18.1 million
Lightning: Hedman, McD, Sergachev - 19.4 million
Lightning: Hedman, McD, Sergachev - 19.4 million
Blues: Pie, Boumeester, Parayko - 17.4 million
Caps: Orlov, Orpik, Niskanen - 16.3 million
Pens: Cole, Schultz, Daley - 7.5 million
Pens: Letang, Schultz, Daley - 13 million

Pretty simple, no? Even adjusting cap Sens would be spending a significantly, significantly higher amount on their top 3 D than every single cup winner over the past 10+ years.
Yeah. We would be doing it a little different no doubt.

Let’s say(and I’m being super optimistic here) chichrun settles on 7.

That’s 23 on the right side. That’s not so much more than 19. Then we get a 3-4 mill to play with one of he or chabot.

And one 2 mill to play with chych. Or vice versa honestly. It’s different. It’s difficult. But maybe not impossible.
 
And when compared to every other winner, still incredibly, incredibly, incredibly high. These teams stop being contenders as soon as the players get above a salary threshold.

Teams aren’t paying their top 3 D excessive amounts of money. Sens would be the highest in the league, by a significant margin.

It’s generally 1 star making 7+, 1/2 mid level pay guys from 5-7, and balanced depth.

Vegas will have a much harder time winning when Theodore is making more than 5.2, the same way the Lightning are struggling with Sergachev making 8.5 instead of 4.5.

Sens are going straight to that point, without the winning, and that wouldn’t bode well.

Right now (obviously should have another ~3-4 guys added) there are only 18 D making 8 million a year for 2025.

Only teams with more than 1 are the Sens, Sabres and Rangers. No teams with more than 2. If the Sens keep Chych, they will account for 3/22ish, ~14% of the D making 8+ in the entire league. That’s not good. At all.
It's actually very close to Colorado, since the cap was flat.

I think it's also important to consider that the league seems to be shifting towards more offense from the D, which will likely see more dollars allocated to them going forward

Boston had 20.1 on their top 3 D this year and last, similar in cap% as those back to back SC winning Tbay teams.

When you look at the cap, 92 mil when Chych's deal kicks in, probably around 95 and 98 the next two years coinciding with Chabot's final two, that 24-25 mil on our top 3 D looks more like 20.5-22.5 in today's dollars. It's certainly on the high end, but in line with what Boston is currently doing.
 
LA is in shambles right now and might need a shake up. I don't want to wait for Roy to be traded to a contender and extended, go acquire him now and sign him. Brannstrom for Roy plz
 
LA is in shambles right now and might need a shake up. I don't want to wait for Roy to be traded to a contender and extended, go acquire him now and sign him. Brannstrom for Roy plz

I actually like how Brann has played for most of this year. He's really good with first passes and moves the puck nicely in transition. There's a reason he's a plus player. That being said I'd make this trade in a New York minute. The LA Kings, however, would not.
 
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LA is in shambles right now and might need a shake up. I don't want to wait for Roy to be traded to a contender and extended, go acquire him now and sign him. Brannstrom for Roy plz
Yikes, their season is like their arena's namesake, an unpredictable roller coaster where one min you think their going to the moon, the next you're pulling copper wire out of the wall...
 
LA is in shambles right now and might need a shake up. I don't want to wait for Roy to be traded to a contender and extended, go acquire him now and sign him. Brannstrom for Roy plz
Not every team is going to look at Brannstrom as "The Savior". He is very popular among fans here but he is the opposite of what teams are looking for on the back end 3rd pair. He has to go to a rebuilding team that doesn't have a lot of pieces.
 
I'm just hoping LA makes panic moves. Starting off with moving players for poor value and keeping McClellan on as coach lol
 
LA is in shambles right now and might need a shake up. I don't want to wait for Roy to be traded to a contender and extended, go acquire him now and sign him. Brannstrom for Roy plz

How about:
TO LA:
Chychrun
Bos 1st

To Ottawa:
Roy
Clarke

EDIT: we get to talk to Roy about an extension or no deal.
 
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How about:
TO LA:
Chychrun
Bos 1st

To Ottawa:
Roy
Clarke
I don't think they give up Clarke in any situation. If we give up Chychrun without retention and add someone like Kubalik or Tarasenko (with retention), I think we can get Roy, a prospect like Kaliev (might replace Tarasenko's production in the coming years) and a 1st.
 
We’d need to add a significant amount, Brann has very little value, and Roy would return a 1st+ at the deadline.

It's going to be interesting to see what his value ends up being. I'm not saying he'll get anywhere close to this, but Rasmus Sandin went for a 1st at last year's deadline, and they're pretty similar in profile. Young defenceman who can play now and who have upside are not worthless.

Personally, if I'm running a younger team, I would pay to gamble on Brannstrom. The Sens did the hard work of turning him into a playable defensive 3rd pairing guy. Maybe in a role that's better suited to his skillset - e.g. 2nd pair LHD, 2nd pair PP - he finds another level and you're looking at a Kimmo Timonen type just entering his prime.
 
It's going to be interesting to see what value ends up being. I'm not saying he'll get anywhere close to this, but Rasmus Sandin went for a 1st at last year's deadline, and they're pretty similar in profile. Young defenceman who can play now and who have upside are not worthless.

Personally, if I'm running a younger team, I would pay to gamble on Brannstrom. The Sens did the hard work of turning him into a playable defensive 3rd pairing guy. Maybe in a role that's better suited to his skillset - e.g. 2nd pair LHD, 2nd pair PP - he finds another level and you're looking at a Kimmo Timonen type just entering his prime.
Well Sandin was 2 years younger, and had 20 points in only 50 games games as a 22 year old, Brannstrom has yet to hit the 20 point mark at 24. Don't think there's an aspiring playoff team in the league that wants Brannstrom getting more than 15 minutes a night, nor are there many rebuilding teams who want to give up any kind of value for a huge gamble. He's already past the 200 game threshold

Could very well be wrong, but can't see any team in the league putting value on Brannstrom.
 
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I actually like how Brann has played for most of this year. He's really good with first passes and moves the puck nicely in transition. There's a reason he's a plus player. That being said I'd make this trade in a New York minute. The LA Kings, however, would not.
I’ve always liked brannstrom. In a perfect world chabot and chychrun would be able to play on the same pair…but that doesn’t seem to be the case. So brannstrom has gotta go

It's going to be interesting to see what his value ends up being. I'm not saying he'll get anywhere close to this, but Rasmus Sandin went for a 1st at last year's deadline, and they're pretty similar in profile. Young defenceman who can play now and who have upside are not worthless.

Personally, if I'm running a younger team, I would pay to gamble on Brannstrom. The Sens did the hard work of turning him into a playable defensive 3rd pairing guy. Maybe in a role that's better suited to his skillset - e.g. 2nd pair LHD, 2nd pair PP - he finds another level and you're looking at a Kimmo Timonen type just entering his prime.
Yeah sandin for a first was fishy to me.
 
Well Sandin was 2 years younger, and had 20 points in inly 50 games games, Brannstrom has yet to hit the 20 point mark. Don't think there's an aspiring playoff team in the league that wants Brannstrom getting more than 15 minutes a night, nor are there many rebuilding teams who want to give up any kind of value for a huge gamble.

Could very well be wrong, but can't see any team in the league putting value on Brannstrom

Good pro scouts find players on other teams' rosters who are better than their current role allows them to show. I think Brannstrom could be one of those players, and is a worthwhile bet for a non-contender, but I could also be wrong.
 
It's going to be interesting to see what his value ends up being. I'm not saying he'll get anywhere close to this, but Rasmus Sandin went for a 1st at last year's deadline, and they're pretty similar in profile. Young defenceman who can play now and who have upside are not worthless.

Personally, if I'm running a younger team, I would pay to gamble on Brannstrom. The Sens did the hard work of turning him into a playable defensive 3rd pairing guy. Maybe in a role that's better suited to his skillset - e.g. 2nd pair LHD, 2nd pair PP - he finds another level and you're looking at a Kimmo Timonen type just entering his prime.
He's worthless. No playoff team has players like him in their lineup. He's an undersized borderline bottom pair D man. I dont think any teams see him as a fit if they are trying to be competitive. If he finds 40 pounds maybe he is Timonen. HGH isnt allowed though.

As Bondra said Sandin is younger, outscored him substantially and is two inches bigger. Even then that was a bad trade by Washington.
 
I could see Branny fitting in with a team that already has several gigantic dmen and they want someone smaller and with more speed and maneuverability.
 
I don't think they give up Clarke in any situation. If we give up Chychrun without retention and add someone like Kubalik or Tarasenko (with retention), I think we can get Roy, a prospect like Kaliev (might replace Tarasenko's production in the coming years) and a 1st.
Based on Staios's interview they wont be targeting players like Kaliev. They dont need any more guys like that they need fast, hard heavy forwards they have the guys in the skill positions up front. More players like Joseph, Formenton etc. Workers that can play on an offensive line.
 
you can argue that Brannstrom is more reliable/smarter defensive player than Chabot/Chychrun (8m worth d)

so a cap strapped good team could see a lot of value in Brannstrom for 2-3m, especially in the 2 to 2.5 range.

what is better, Brannstrom-Zub at 7-8 mill combined on shorter easily moveable contracts.

Or just one of Chabot or Chychrun at 8m on long hard to move contracts?
 
Sens keeping both, top 3 D paid ~25 million

Vegas: Theodore, Pie, McNabb - 16.85 million
Colorado: Makar, Girard, Toews - 18.1 million
Lightning: Hedman, McD, Sergachev - 19.4 million
Lightning: Hedman, McD, Sergachev - 19.4 million
Blues: Pie, Boumeester, Parayko - 17.4 million
Caps: Orlov, Orpik, Niskanen - 16.3 million
Pens: Cole, Schultz, Daley - 7.5 million
Pens: Letang, Schultz, Daley - 13 million

Pretty simple, no? Even adjusting cap Sens would be spending a significantly, significantly higher amount on their top 3 D than every single cup winner over the past 10+ years.
Which is compounded even further because none of the 3 of them look like they can provode 8M value lining up a RD
 
Brannstrom will go to a team fighting for a playoff spot who needs an NHL defenseman because of injuries or depth issues. By NHL defenseman, I don't mean a difference maker. I mean someone that they can play for 12-16 minutes a game because the alternative is dressing an AHLer who they won't play at all.

Those type of NHL defenseman are always in demand at the trade deadline, even if Brannstrom would not be viewed as a playoff type of defenseman.

The Islanders a few weeks ago are an extreme example of this situation. Had it not been for the cap, I'm sure they would have gladly given up a 4th to 7th round pick for Brannstrom.

Cuts off the part where he says that the Cap will come into play

I don't think we can take that as some sort of assurance that Chychrun isn't in play.

Until they say "Chychrun is part of the core and we're working on an extension", everything is theatrics.

They aren't going to come out and say "We like Chychrun but we don't really think it makes sense to sign him to an 8x8 deal". They are going to say things that give them leverage both with teams calling on Chychrun, and with Chychrun's agent if Chychrun wants to stay.

They're basically playing both sides at this point where they could walk away due to the cap but they also could keep him. They aren't being definitive either way.
 
you can argue that Brannstrom is more reliable/smarter defensive player than Chabot/Chychrun (8m worth d)

so a cap strapped good team could see a lot of value in Brannstrom for 2-3m, especially in the 2 to 2.5 range.

what is better, Brannstrom-Zub at 7-8 mill combined on shorter easily moveable contracts.

Or just one of Chabot or Chychrun at 8m on long hard to move contracts?
One of Chabot/Chychrun, undoubtedly. Both are top pair D when they are on, which is likely to be happening more moving forward.

Zub is great, Brannstrom is a #6/pressbox player
 

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