Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Micklebot]

All true, but that lineup depends on Grieg as a winger on the 2nd line. If it's not Grieg, then just using Tarasenko's salary as budgetary number, it adds around another $5 m to the cap. I can you see why you did move Grieg to wing though. It's like our LD situation in that we have surplus of centers as well.

Plus, we still really only have one true good RD in Zub and are forcing a LD to play the right side like we have done this year with questionable (at best) results.

Just thinking out loud, and who knows? I'm not pretending to be Nostradamus.

I mean, I did say 7 mil for Chychruns RHD replacement and 7 mil for the vacant winger, there's lots of room to play,

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Every team parties winners or loses... what are you saying

There is a difference between partying and getting yucky with the boys. Especially in the Byward market.

He would probably accept them partying at Krazy Horse in Kanata.

Like he reposts some pretty stupid right-wing shit.

That would be a major concern considering he is a left d.

 

[Micklebot]

Has Greig shown you enough to believe that he will become a Second line Left winger and score 20-30 goals and add 30-40 assists? keeping in mind that 20 goals must be paired with 40 assists and 30 goals can be paired with 30 assists as a player is more a scorer than a set up man.. So 60-70 points.

The Kid is sitting at 4 goals, 10 assists for 14 points in 28 games.. that is ~ 41 point season.. Adding 20 points for increased PP time. And we have a 61 point player...

In todays game, is that okay for a #2 line player? most of Ottawa's top 6 forwards are on their way (less Norris) to 70 point plus seasons. And it's not like Ottawa is tearing the league to shreds, offensively.

if he does not evolve, then saving money could rob you of a key 5-10 points of personal performance, which is 2-3 points in the standings for the team!!!! 95 versus 92 points is in the playoffs or 10th in the conference.

I think by the time we're making that decision, we'll have seen enough to know one way or another, and as I mentioned in my original post, there is 14 mil to replace Chychrun with a RHD and add a winger, be it on the third line or used one the second pushing Greig down to develop a bit more on the third line.

Personal, I see a very bright future in Greig, I think he will have no issues becoming that 2nd line winger, but the real point of my post was that we have the financial flexibility

 

[Wondercarrot]

How would you guys feel about a Chychrun for Buchnevich deal?
He’s the #1 LD I’m the blues seem to be looking for, hes 25 so fits their next window etc.
he’s got the same term as Buch and currently makes $4.6 vs PB at $5.8

We have to choose between Chabot and Chychrun (since Sanderson is also a LD), and the Sens are looking for a 200ft player like PB.

 

[Hale The Villain]

How would you guys feel about a Chychrun for Buchnevich deal?
He’s the #1 LD I’m the blues seem to be looking for, hes 25 so fits their next window etc.
he’s got the same term as Buch and currently makes $4.6 vs PB at $5.8

We have to choose between Chabot and Chychrun (since Sanderson is also a LD), and the Sens are looking for a 200ft player like PB.

We can't trade Chychrun for a different guy who's going to walk for nothing in a year and a half.

Get a 1st + more, and then try to use the assets to acquire a player that fits with some term in the summer.

I'd also look to retain 50% of his contract and offer him around at 2.3M. Should get a ton of interest in him at that cap hit.

 

[Boud]

How would you guys feel about a Chychrun for Buchnevich deal?
He’s the #1 LD I’m the blues seem to be looking for, hes 25 so fits their next window etc.
he’s got the same term as Buch and currently makes $4.6 vs PB at $5.8

We have to choose between Chabot and Chychrun (since Sanderson is also a LD), and the Sens are looking for a 200ft player like PB.

Personally I would stay away from a player who has a short term deal. As we've learned in the past few years (Duchene, Stone, Debrincat, Chychrun(?)), it's not that easy to have someone commit to this team especially with how bad they are. I wouldn't be confident in bringing back Buchnevich, probably a lot less than I would be in bringing back Chychrun. He'll get more money on the open market or alternatively we would need to overpay to keep him. Doubt anyone would stay here with how things are shaking up. Any deal I'd do from this point on I'd make damn sure the player fits in the long term plans. This roster literally cannot afford any other mistakes like Debrincat or Chychrun because otherwise they will never even have the chance to become a competitive team. Any trade needs to be a homerun from this point on. So many mistakes have been made.

A trade like that leaves us in a pretty difficult spot because when this team hopefully becomes a bit more competitive then you have to make a choice between keeping a guy like Buchnevich for a run or trade him at the deadline so you don't lose him for nothing.

I would only trade for a UFA to be if a contract was done ''prior'' to the trade. I would target someone who's maybe not as flashy but will play a role on this team for a long time. A guy like Laughton or someone with a similar playing style. We are going nowhere with the talent that we have. We badly need players that care because no one does on this roster.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I am all aboard the Weegar train, assuming that Pagnotta report is accurate that he would waive to come here.

He is the perfect fit in every way, handedness, stylistically, and cap.

The only possible downside is that his contract might be an issue in the final few years as he exits his prime. Our window is the next 4 years. It could end up being longer, but that's the period we have everybody cost controlled below market value. So I would care less about years 6-8 of the Weegar contract.

 

[Big Muddy]

I mean, I did say 7 mil for Chychruns RHD replacement and 7 mil for the vacant winger, there's lots of room to play,

You did, yes. You posted a lineup, and then suggested some adds/subtracts in text below.

I tried to incorporate what you said and put it into the spreadsheet which for me is more clear & concise/precise.

2nd line LW, Pinto's cap hit and the 13F were my best guesses. I tried to work with your ideas and also stay cap compliant (hence the reduction to your 2nd line LW).

 

[dumbdick]

Would anyone consider trading with buffalo for jokiharju? Stable guy who could pair with one of our offensively minded defencemen....

 

[Senator Stanley]

Would anyone consider trading with buffalo for jokiharju? Stable guy who could pair with one of our offensively minded defencemen....

It would only makes sense if the organization is ready to give up on JBD, and I don't think they're at that point.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I am all aboard the Weegar train, assuming that Pagnotta report is accurate that he would waive to come here.

He is the perfect fit in every way, handedness, stylistically, and cap.

The only possible downside is that his contract might be an issue in the final few years as he exits his prime. Our window is the next 4 years. It could end up being longer, but that's the period we have everybody cost controlled below market value. So I would care less about years 6-8 of the Weegar contract.

I wouldn't go that far. He said "it would not surprise me if he were willing to waive his no-trade clause for Ottawa", which reads as pure speculation.

There were previous rumours that he didn't want to play here, but I'm not sure how legitimate those were.

I worry about adding a defenseman who isn't a great skater and has 7 more years on his contract paying him 6.25M per until he's 37.

Can't see that ending well.

 

[dumbdick]

It would only makes sense if the organization is ready to give up on JBD, and I don't think they're at that point.

I was thinking more like:

Pick for Joker (RFA, 2.5M in)
Brann for a pick (2.0 out)
Hamonic with retention for who cares ($1M out)
Call up Kleven or Guenette ($850k in)

GIves us three balanced pairings without too much liability
Sandy - Zub
Church - Joker
Chabot - JBD/kleven/max
Kleven/Max/JBD

 

[Burrowsaurus]

between all the dead cap hits coming off the books, and the salary cap increase, we should be fine.

We're at about 74 mil with this to start next year:

Tkachuk-Stu-Giroux
Greig-Norris-Batherson
xxx-Chartier-Joseph
Kelly-Kastelic-MacEwen

Chabot-Chychrun
Sanderson-Zub
xxx-JBD
Hamonic

Korpisalo
Forsberg

Pinto needs a contract which would push one of Kastelic of Chartier to be the extra, we probably call up Kleven, so lets say that adds 5 mil, bringing us to around 79 mil, leaving a 3rd line LW spot to fill. if Chychrun is out that opens up another 4.6 to replace him with that RHD, so down to 73.4 in an 87.5 cap world.

So, 7 mil for a RHD, and another 7 left to fill that 3rd line (or 2nd line and push Greig down) LW sport.

I think chychrun stays but that sounds promising

 

[Boud]

They won't want Chychrun without an extension. Most players don't want to play for Canadian teams. Huberdeau and Weegar extended because Calgary arguably overpaid and gave them very aggressive contracts while the cap was still (almost) flat. If they are willing to offer Chychrun an 8 year 9.5M buyout proof contract with a NMC, he would probably extend there...

Weegar also has a NTC so it's safe to assume he won't come to Ottawa. He is from here, so there is a small possibility that he would want to play for the team. I like Weegar as a target if we could get him.

The most sensible deal with Calgary might be a series of trades. We trade Chychrun for assets, then those assets enable us to move equivalent assets to Calgary for Andersson. That would solve the problem with us having too many RHD.

Andersson has a similar cap hit to Chychrun. Most importantly, Andersson has an extra year of term. That extra year would give us time to figure things out. If the team doesn't pull together next year and they decide to execute a more radical sell-off of players, they would have the option to recoup some assets for Andersson.

Honestly Weegar is from Ottawa. I wouldn't be incredibly surprised to see him open to a trade here.

Andersson would be amazing but I don't see Calgary trading him.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

I think we will regret trading Chychrun unless he indicates he won’t sign a new contract with us. He’s been inconsistent like the rest of the team, but when he is playing well he is really good (like the team can be). But I get it, we need to turn a LHD into a shutdown RHD.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Is Weegar good defensively?

 

[TheNewEra]

You did, yes. You posted a lineup, and then suggested some adds/subtracts in text below.

I tried to incorporate what you said and put it into the spreadsheet which for me is more clear & concise/precise.

2nd line LW, Pinto's cap hit and the 13F were my best guesses. I tried to work with your ideas and also stay cap compliant (hence the reduction to your 2nd line LW).

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Wouldn't be surprised if Forsberg is done in ottawa if it's another big injury. That seems too low on pinto considering what we heard about his negotiations pre suspension. Also considering how our 4th line has been as a who I want to upgrade on one if not both of Kastelic/Macewen.

For defense I rather keep Chychrun and split that money for him and the kleven spot. Then have kleven and jbd fight it out for the last spot. Also Hamonic needs to be bought out so our new coach doesn't get tempted

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Is Weegar good defensively?

yes

 

[Big Muddy]

1. Wouldn't be surprised if Forsberg is done in ottawa if it's another big injury. 2. That seems too low on pinto considering what we heard about his negotiations pre suspension. 3. Also considering how our 4th line has been as a who I want to upgrade on one if not both of Kastelic/Macewen.

4. For defense I rather keep Chychrun and split that money for him and the kleven spot. Then have kleven and jbd fight it out for the last spot. Also Hamonic needs to be bought out so our new coach doesn't get tempted

#1 Forsberg - Could be finished. I thought the same.

#2 Pinto salary - I thought of that as well. However I was trying to fit in Pinto's new salary (next year) along with adding a 2nd line LW to replace Tarasenko (or re-sign him to the same salary). When you do that, it starts to get tight pretty fast. In general, I was taking Micklebot's ideas and putting them into a spreadsheet. There's always lots of ideas and options of course.

#3 Kastellic/MacEwan - OK sure, substitute 4th line players with whomever you want. I don't worry about that much. If you can find better players for the same cap hit, then fine. The more important part of the exercise is to make the numbers work.

#4 -Keep Chychrun - I was working with Micklebot's ideas. Chabot's cap hit is higher, so getting rid of Chabot and keeping Chychrun would provide more cap space to work with. However, after next year, Chychrun will need a new contract. So, you're basically dealing with the same issue except that it's a year later instead.

General/Summary Comment - There's always lots of ideas, but the task at hand gets more complicated when you try to make the numbers cost compliant. That is arguably the main idea behind the spreadsheet, to see if the numbers work. Ideas or concepts are easy enough to come up with, but they may or may not work from a cap compliancy perspective. Give it a whirl and see what you come up with.

 

[TeamRenzo]

I could see it. He has a pretty strange personality. Dude is seriously red-pilled if you follow him on social media. Like he reposts some pretty stupid right-wing shit.

Such as?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

-MacKenzie Weegar NTC WAIVED (8 years, 6.25M)
-Jacob Markstrom NTC WAIVED (3 years, 6.00M)
-Dillon Dube RETAINED (1 year, 1.3M)
-Dennis Gilbert (1 year, 762k)
Cap Out: 14.312M



-Jakob Chychrun (2 years, 4.6M)
-Jonas Korpisalo (5 years, 4.0M)
-Dominik Kubalik (1 year, 2.5M)
-Erik Brannstrom (1 year, 2.0M)
Cap Out: 13.10M

The trade is Weegar/Markstrom for Chychrun/Korpisalo. The rest of the players are moving parts to make the trade as close as possible to cap in/cap out.

Depending on how long Forsberg will be on LTIR, we could swing a 1.2M cap increase. Also keep in mind, that we should free up a bit of cap space when we sell off Tarasenko, even if we retain or take back a contract, it's unlikely that we don't free up 1.2M+ in that transaction.

Dube/Gilbert and Kubalik/Brannstrom are both in there for cap purposes. Dube is having a very bad season in Calgary. There is no guarantee they even qualify him. Swapping him for Kubalik is a positive change of scenery move for both sides. Calgary retains on Dube's expiring contract to help facilitate the trade and balance the cap. It gives both forwards a chance to audition with their new teams down the stretch leading into the trade deadline.

Chychrun's cap hit is far below his market-value. That should play into the Korpisalo/Markstrom swap, where Korpisalo is a negative asset. I also would imagine that Chychrun with only limited trade protection has more value league-wide than Weegar with a full NTC. The additional value for Chychrun plays into the Korpisalo/Markstrom swap.

Calgary does not get to talk to Chychrun prior to the trade. Do they still do it? I think so. Weegar has a NTC, so the market for him in a trade would be limited. Chychrun only has a 10-team no-trade list. He is the more dynamic asset. If he won't extend with them this summer, they could trade him at the draft for a 1st+ without an extension, or a fairly large return if he will sign with the team acquiring him. I think they would have a difficult time commanding that kind of return for Weegar because of his trade protection.

 

[Crosside]

Chychrun + Korpisalo + Batherson vs Weegar + Markstrom + Coleman

 

[CorrectOpinion]

Such as?

There have been a few insts stories I caught. The only one I remember is him pumping the tires on Sound Of Freedom. I wanna say he reposted one of those pundits like Peterson or something too but I can't remember.

 

[Big Muddy]

-MacKenzie Weegar NTC WAIVED (8 years, 6.25M)
-Jacob Markstrom NTC WAIVED (3 years, 6.00M)
-Dillon Dube RETAINED (1 year, 1.3M)
-Dennis Gilbert (1 year, 762k)
Cap Out: 14.312M



-Jakob Chychrun (2 years, 4.6M)
-Jonas Korpisalo (5 years, 4.0M)
-Dominik Kubalik (1 year, 2.5M)
-Erik Brannstrom (1 year, 2.0M)
Cap Out: 13.10M

The trade is Weegar/Markstrom for Chychrun/Korpisalo. The rest of the players are moving parts to make the trade as close as possible to cap in/cap out.

Depending on how long Forsberg will be on LTIR, we could swing a 1.2M cap increase. Also keep in mind, that we should free up a bit of cap space when we sell off Tarasenko, even if we retain or take back a contract, it's unlikely that we don't free up 1.2M+ in that transaction.

Dube/Gilbert and Kubalik/Brannstrom are both in there for cap purposes. Dube is having a very bad season in Calgary. There is no guarantee they even qualify him. Swapping him for Kubalik is a positive change of scenery move for both sides. Calgary retains on Dube's expiring contract to help facilitate the trade and balance the cap. It gives both forwards a chance to audition with their new teams down the stretch leading into the trade deadline.

Chychrun's cap hit is far below his market-value. That should play into the Korpisalo/Markstrom swap, where Korpisalo is a negative asset. I also would imagine that Chychrun with only limited trade protection has more value league-wide than Weegar with a full NTC. The additional value for Chychrun plays into the Korpisalo/Markstrom swap.

Calgary does not get to talk to Chychrun prior to the trade. Do they still do it? I think so. Weegar has a NTC, so the market for him in a trade would be limited. Chychrun only has a 10-team no-trade list. He is the more dynamic asset. If he won't extend with them this summer, they could trade him at the draft for a 1st+ without an extension, or a fairly large return if he will sign with the team acquiring him. I think they would have a difficult time commanding that kind of return for Weegar because of his trade protection.

Lots of trade posts involving Calgary players lately.

What is Calgary's motivation?

Are they rebuilding?

Are they unhappy with Weegar?

IF they are rebuilding and thinking about getting rid of Weegar, would they want Korpisalo who has another 4 years left on his contract?

It's just questions about Calgary as I haven't heard much about their plans for the future.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Lots of trade posts involving Calgary players lately.

What is Calgary's motivation?

Are they rebuilding?

Are they unhappy with Weegar?

IF they are rebuilding and thinking about getting rid of Weegar, would they want Korpisalo who has another 4 years left on his contract?

It's just questions about Calgary as I haven't heard much about their plans for the future.

Ya I think people are getting way ahead of themselves with Calgary. Maybe as a summer time move to re-shape their teams if it makes sense, but that is a team in a way better position than the Senators atm and battling for a playoff spot after a terrible start to the season.

Calgary isn't rebuilding. But they do have some pending UFA's that will be dealt as part of their retool and will have a lot of tradable assets in general the next 1-3 years. Hanifin, Lindholm & Tanev this year. Could also see 1 or 2 of those guys re-signing to stay prior to the deadline.

I don't believe either of Markstrom or Weegar are being shopped this year, but for the right deal could be pried out. The advantage Ottawa has is they're shopping a guy like Chychrun or Chabot that should be enticing and would be seen as a part of the future in Calgary. Chabot for Weegar with Chychrun re-signing in Ottawa would be my preference.