Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Adele Dazeem]

Tarasenko already turned down a 22M/4R offer from Dorion this summer, and thank god he did because that would not have aged well.

He's a hired gun. Went to the second highest bidder (SJ offered him more but unlike us they were expected to be a disaster) on a 1 year deal to take him to free agency when the cap jumps.

We don't need more lazy one-dimensional forwards. We've got plenty already. Should absolutely move him for a pick at the deadline.

Are you seriously calling Tarasenko a one-dimensional forward?

I agree with him tbh.

We have three top 40 picks, yes, but we don’t have a 2nd next year or a 1st in one of the next two. And considering we had no top 40 picks the last two years, that’s not ideal.

But more importantly keeping Tarasenko feels like an emotional choice rather than a smart one. He’s been a good fit, I’ve really liked him. But on the wing we already have Brady, Batherson, Giroux, whichever centre gets moved when all are healthy etc. The only real two-way winger we have is Joseph, and given our team defense I think it’s clear we need another, especially one who can be a core PK guy for us — we haven’t really had that since losing Brown and Paul.

We need a RD and an established two way forward. If you can do that and also fit in Tarasenko then great but I don’t see it. Plus our goaltending is a mess and who knows what the solution is there.

Tarasenko is 4 years younger than Giroux. We're going to need veterans in the lineup if we seriously want a Playoff team. Experience is crucial. The combination of veteran savvy and talent Tarasenko possesses is very hard to come by.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Are you seriously calling Tarasenko a one-dimensional forward?

I absolutely am.

Are you seriously calling Tarasenko a two-way forward?

 

[armani]

I absolutely am.

Are you seriously calling Tarasenko a two-way forward?

Tarasenko is not a 2-way forward, but I don't know if he can be characterized as a "lazy one-dimensional forward" either as you say. He may have lost a step.

He does help the defence, more so compared to some others currently playing top-6. He is a good forechecker and uses his size along the boards during puck battles (not dominant but does win his share against defencemen).

If he costs more than $5M on a 2 year extension, I may be more inclined to move away to spread the money in other areas of need this summer. He is a trade chip whom I like, but the cap hit would have to be reasonable.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Tarasenko plays better defence than Tkachuk, Stutzle, Batherson and Kubalik. He’s not the issue defensively. He’s also not a selke favourite. Tarasenkos defence is this teams least important issue.

 

[aragorn]

It's quite likely that the Sens try & move all their UFAs at the trade deadline ... Tarasenko, Kubalik, Chartier, Smejkal & Larsson. Out of those five Tarasenko is probably the only one they could miss but it's also quite likely that they could replace him with another similar pt producer over the summer at about the same $$$. It also wouldn't surprise me if they also try & move someone at the trade deadline who is not a UFA like Forsberg, Brannstrom, Hamonic, MacEwan or even Chychrun or Chabot. They are likely going to be very busy at this yr's deadline & it could help a future team to add another late first or early 2nd in 2024.

 

[Cosmix]

It's quite likely that the Sens try & move all their UFAs at the trade deadline ... Tarasenko, Kubalik, Chartier, Smejkal & Larsson. Out of those five Tarasenko is probably the only one they could miss but it's also quite likely that they could replace him with another similar pt producer over the summer at about the same $$$. It also wouldn't surprise me if they also try & move someone at the trade deadline who is not a UFA like Forsberg, Brannstrom, Hamonic, MacEwan or even Chychrun or Chabot. They are likely going to be very busy at this yr's deadline & it could help a future team to add another late first or early 2nd in 2024.

I am cautiously optimistic about the changes to be made by our new POHO/GM. I hope he does not repeat the mistakes made by Dorion when he tries to add "pros" to the roster and gives up high draft picks.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

You also have to factor in what the market is like for Tarasenko.

If it's a 1st on the table for him, it becomes more.difficult to keep him. Especially since he is a UFA which would give the Senators a shot at signing him again on July 1st.

If it's a 2nd or less, then it makes it a lot easier to extend him.

 

[Loach]

Three top 40 picks does restock the cupboards pretty damn well if you ask me. At a bare minimum one of those three should become a NHL player, along with the multiple other selections in later rounds. Prospect pool is mediocre currently, not as bad as people think it is.

Obviously if he doesn't want to sign, he should be traded.

This is the kind of thinking that got us an empty farm system.

 

[Big Muddy]

I agree with him tbh.

We have three top 40 picks, yes, but we don’t have a 2nd next year or a 1st in one of the next two. And considering we had no top 40 picks the last two years, that’s not ideal.

But more importantly keeping Tarasenko feels like an emotional choice rather than a smart one. He’s been a good fit, I’ve really liked him. But on the wing we already have Brady, Batherson, Giroux, whichever centre gets moved when all are healthy etc. The only real two-way winger we have is Joseph, and given our team defense I think it’s clear we need another, especially one who can be a core PK guy for us — we haven’t really had that since losing Brown and Paul.

We need a RD and an established two way forward. If you can do that and also fit in Tarasenko then great but I don’t see it. Plus our goaltending is a mess and who knows what the solution is there.

Yes, we need a RD and Pinto's next contract will cost more. Post # 2583 could provide some info on the subject of next year's cap. I have no idea what Tarasenko's contract demands would be, but not sure we are in an unlimited budget situation. Term of the contract is also worth considering.

 

[aragorn]

I am cautiously optimistic about the changes to be made by our new POHO/GM. I hope he does not repeat the mistakes made by Dorion when he tries to add "pros" to the roster and gives up high draft picks.

I doubt they will be giving up any assets, I was talking about the summer & siging a UFA just like they signed Tarasenko, that cost them nothing. I don't think there is a need now, it's too little too late, two months ago would have made more sense.

 

[Beech]

York on the Coming In Hot podcast keeps saying Tarasenko should be moved because "Ottawa needs to restock the cupboards" and "Tarasenko doesn't fit/Ottawa already has scorers".

Both arguments are lazy and straight up wrong. Ottawa has three picks in the top ~40 this season.
Tarasenko is also a veteran presence that doesn't make an absurd amount and he's playing pretty damn well considering it's his first season on brand new team.

It's not easy to find players with Tarasenko's talent in free agency let alone the draft. Staois should do everything he can to sign him. It's guys like Kubalik who has shown to have zero chemistry that should be moved.

doesn't this team need a bull in a China shop type?

A true banger and crasher, a guy who fights.. and can give you 20-25 goals (It may seem high, but not in today's NHL).

A line of Norris, Batherson and Tarasenko is a CY Young line.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

doesn't this team need a bull in a China shop type?

A true banger and crasher, a guy who fights.. and can give you 20-25 goals (It may seem high, but not in today's NHL).

A line of Norris, Batherson and Tarasenko is a CY Young line.

We are 26th in the league in Goals For. It appears we have more than one need.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

It will be hard to find a taker for Chabot.
He is injury prone. Gets 40 points a year.
Doesn't play physical. Makes a lot if defensive gaffs.
And is going to be making $10 million dollars a season pretty soon.
Having said all that he does have some good points to his game....but I still think it will be very challenging to find a trade partner and what would we be getting back in the trade?

There is not going to be a strong market for Chabot because of his contract and level of play. The other factor is that trading him opens the Senators up to lose both Chabot and Chychrun over the next year.

Chychrun is the much better asset because he would be appealing both to teams who like him as a long-term piece on a big extension, and to teams who need a cap-friendly top pairing defenseman as a rental for the next two playoffs. I also would bet the perception is that he has played well with the Senators, where as Chabot is coming off of an injury riddled season.

Lastly, moving Chabot creates a ton of leverage for Chychrun because Chychrun and Chabot bothg one at the same time would cripple the Senators defense. The exception being if Ottawa somehow makes a hockey trade for a different top pairing defenseman.

 

[Alex1234]

Question is not if they want to re-sign Tank or Chychrun but wether if they want to stay here.
And I think they would be stupid to not test the market and go make millions away from a 29th place franchise

 

[Relapsing]

Three top 40 picks does restock the cupboards pretty damn well if you ask me. At a bare minimum one of those three should become a NHL player, along with the multiple other selections in later rounds. Prospect pool is mediocre currently, not as bad as people think it is.

Obviously if he doesn't want to sign, he should be traded.

Not with all the firsts we've given out like candy.

We need at least imo 2-3 high first round picks to make up for what we've lost given the record we've had and what we should have gotten for the 1st we've given away

 

[ijif]

Tarasenko has the 15th worst EVD GAR in the league (forwards only). One bad season does not mean too much, but over the last 3 seasons, he is fourth worst. Looking at his career (numbers from Evolving-Hockey)...

12-13: 1.3 EVD GAR
13-14: 1.6 EVD GAR
14-15: 1.0 EVD GAR
15-16: -2.1 EVD GAR
16-17: -1.7 EVD GAR
17-18: 0.3 EVD GAR
18-19: -0.9 EVD GAR
19-20: -0.1 EVD GAR
20-21: 0.6 EVD GAR
21-22: -4.9 EVD GAR
22-23: -5.9 EVD GAR
23-24: -3.9 EVD GAR

Our numbers are not perfect, but when they are saying you are one of the worst defensive players in the league over a decent sample, you probably are not good at defence. It would probably be fair to classify you as a one-way player.

 

[Dionysus]

Tarasenko has the 15th worst EVD GAR in the league (forwards only). One bad season does not mean too much, but over the last 3 seasons, he is fourth worst. Looking at his career (numbers from Evolving-Hockey)...

12-13: 1.3 EVD GAR
13-14: 1.6 EVD GAR
14-15: 1.0 EVD GAR
15-16: -2.1 EVD GAR
16-17: -1.7 EVD GAR
17-18: 0.3 EVD GAR
18-19: -0.9 EVD GAR
19-20: -0.1 EVD GAR
20-21: 0.6 EVD GAR
21-22: -4.9 EVD GAR
22-23: -5.9 EVD GAR
23-24: -3.9 EVD GAR

Our numbers are not perfect, but when they are saying you are one of the worst defensive players in the league over a decent sample, you probably are not good at defence. It would probably be fair to classify you as a one-way player.

Not a player I would want to be signed. His lack of speed hurts him. If you can move him out and replace with a more defenssve middle-six player that is a win.

 

[TeamRenzo]

There have been a few insts stories I caught. The only one I remember is him pumping the tires on Sound Of Freedom. I wanna say he reposted one of those pundits like Peterson or something too but I can't remember.

Have you seen Sound of Freedom? If so, how can you consider it to be "stupid right-wing shit".

 

[Icelevel]

Hertl and Andersson are two of the few potentially available upgrades I’d want brought in.
Get them both and ship out the obvious.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

It seems like the Sens are likely going to have a major roster shake up.

Up front, Tkachuk, Stuetzle, Giroux, Greig and Pinto seem like the pieces that won't get moved. It is way too hard to find players like Tkachuk and Stuetzle. They want more players like Giroux, not less. Greig and Pinto are cost controlled and versatile players so it makes sense to keep them.

Tarasenko and Kubalik are UFAs so they will be traded by the deadline. Even if there was some interest in bringing Tarasenko back he still would likely get traded and then they would reexplore signing him in the offseason. Chartier is also a UFA but he is mostly an AHL player, could get traded though.

Not sure what happens with Kelly, Kastelic and MacEwen. Kastelic is having a sophmore slump so they might want to keep him to see if he bounces back next season before shipping him out. They have already shown they are willing to bury MacEwen in the minors if need be. If he was on a 2 way contract there wouldn't be much reason to move him. He has some tools and he either puts it together and establishes himself as an NHL player over the rest of his contract or becomes an AHL player for us. Kelly seems replaceable and might have some trade value to a team looking for some cheap depth at the deadline.

That leaves Norris, Batherson and Joseph up front. If they are looking for a shake up one or all three could get shipped out. It is a question if Norris will live up to his contract but he has missed a lot of hockey so maybe he bounces back. He is likely getting pushed to the wing though with the emergence of Greig. Batherson has a favorable contract and he also has demonstrated that he might be the most difficult to replace of the three. Not sure what happens with him. Joseph might have his highest trade value at this point and also there is the risk he might regress in performance next season.

On defense, Sanderson is the main piece that is kept. Zub would likely be kept because we lack RD and he has been effective for us. A decision would likely need to be made between Chabot and Chychurn with one getting traded.

The D hasn't performed well so I don't see Brannstrom, Hamonic or JBD having a spot secured. All three could potentially be shipped out to build a different kind of defense.

I could see a complete overhaul of the goaltending.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Have you seen Sound of Freedom? If so, how can you consider it to be "stupid right-wing shit".

The controversy surrounding the film is pretty well known. Not sure if you're just disagreeing with the way it was phrased by that poster or not, but googling will bring you tons of discussion and stories about Qanon & other questionable associations of involved personnel including the lead actor and production house, fabrications of true story, portrayal of sex trafficking myths like international threats being the reality over domestic, controversial marketing leveraging guilt, etc.

I'm left leaning, but I thought the movie itself was entertaining enough, even if it is a propaganda wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If we assume two things:
-Weegar is off the table.
-Chychrun won't re-sign here, and we can get a 1st+2nd+2nd for Chychrun at the deadline.

Dubas calls you up with the following offer:

-Erik Karlsson
-Pittsburgh takes on Korpisalo's contract

for

-BOS 2024 1st (Projected 26th overall)
-OTT 2024 2nd (Projected 36th overall)

Do you make the trade?

The short of the trade is that it is a mulligan for Pittsburgh because they get back what they gave up (1st+2nd), and Korpisalo's remaining cap would be similar to the two bad contracts San Jose took from them.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If we assume two things:
-Weegar is off the table.
-Chychrun won't re-sign here, and we can get a 1st+2nd+2nd for Chychrun at the deadline.

Dubas calls you up with the following offer:

-Erik Karlsson
-Take on Korpisalo's contract

for

-BOS 2024 1st (Projected 26th overall)
-OTT 2024 2nd (Projected 36th overall)

Do you make the trade?

Oh boy. Dumping Korpisalo's contract sure sounds fun.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Oh boy. Dumping Korpisalo's contract sure sounds fun.

Starting next year, he is owed almost the exact same in cap that Pittsburgh dumped between Rutta and Granlund. Except, their cap was over 2 years, his is spread over 4. Less, if he is bought out.

So Pittsburgh could justify it as a wash. I doubt there would be any real trade market for Karlsson without cap considerations. Unless they are going into a full rebuild, they would likely prefer to take back a contract than to retain on Karlsson.

From Ottawa's POV, if Korpisalo is considered a failed experiment, dumping him heavily subsidizes Karlsson's cap hit. Karlsson is owed 30M in cap over 3 years, a Korpisalo buyout is 10.66M over 8 years. If you look at that 10.66M as a sunk cost, it brings the cost of adding Karlsson down to just shy of 6.5M per season.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

Makes zero sense to pay to dump Korpisalo. Goalies are a crapshoot. One season they're great, the next they're not. Logic would dictate that his great season is coming.