Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Burrowsaurus]

Hesitant to trade batherson with how quickly he changed once Martin came. Guy looks totally different

Maybe start looking for a higher end worker bee to play with stu and batherson

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Lots of trade posts involving Calgary players lately.

What is Calgary's motivation?

Are they rebuilding?

Are they unhappy with Weegar?

IF they are rebuilding and thinking about getting rid of Weegar, would they want Korpisalo who has another 4 years left on his contract?

It's just questions about Calgary as I haven't heard much about their plans for the future.

They seem to want to re-tool.

They do not want Korpisalo. They want Chychrun. They do the goalie swap both to give Ottawa additional incentive to make the trade, but also to gain short-term cap and solve their problem with Markstrom wanting out and being difficult to move.

Markstrom wants out. He will be difficult to trade due to his up-and-down play, cap hit, and full-NTC. Markstrom has 12M over 2 years left on his contract after this season, he also has signing bonuses that make a buyout pointless.

Korpisalo has 20M left over 4 years after this season. Korpisalo does not have signing bonuses. If he doesn't bounce back with Calgary next year, a 2025 buyout saves them 3.66M of that 20M. So the swap in a worst case scenario would be very close to cap neutral for them. Then when you factor in that Chychrun is underpaid by a few million next season, and it's pretty much a wash cap wise. It just comes down to whether they value cap from 2024-2026 more than cap in 2026 and beyond, when Korpisalo would be on the books due to his additional term.

As I said in my original post, I suspect value wise that Chychrun is above Weegar. Weegar is signed well into his mid 30s and has a full NTC. Chychrun is 25 years old, and even an 8 year extension will mostly take up prime years. If Calgary is intent on re-tooling or re-building, either one, Chychrun is a much more dynamic asset than Weegar. They can audition him this season, and if he refuses to extend, they can flip him at the draft for a 1st+, or if he will extend with the team acquiring him, a massive haul. The trade market for Weegar is going to be much more limited than the market for Chychrun.

So in short, Markstrom for Korpisalo is a wash. They are both negative value assets. Cap wise, they are structured differently, and it comes down to whether Calgary values moving out a disgruntled player and gaining short term cap over long-term cap. Chychrun's cap savings compared to market value also factor into that equation. Then a Chychrun for Weegar swap gets them the more valuable and dynamic asset, whether to keep, or to trade.

 

[Big Muddy]

Ya I think people are getting way ahead of themselves with Calgary. Maybe as a summer time move to re-shape their teams if it makes sense, but that is a team in a way better position than the Senators atm and battling for a playoff spot after a terrible start to the season.

Calgary isn't rebuilding. But they do have some pending UFA's that will be dealt as part of their retool and will have a lot of tradable assets in general the next 1-3 years. Hanifin, Lindholm & Tanev this year. Could also see 1 or 2 of those guys re-signing to stay prior to the deadline.

I don't believe either of Markstrom or Weegar are being shopped this year, but for the right deal could be pried out. The advantage Ottawa has is they're shopping a guy like Chychrun or Chabot that should be enticing and would be seen as a part of the future in Calgary. Chabot for Weegar with Chychrun re-signing in Ottawa would be my preference.

My post was just asking a question as I haven't really heard much about their future plans. So, thanks for the feedback.

I've been curious about the Weegar idea. We need a top 4 RD (hopefully a good one). So I get that part. But I had no idea if Calgary was anxious to get rid of him.

I'd also think that teams would be more interested in an extended Chychrun than his current situation with just 1 1/2 years remaining on his contract. If that's the case, maybe its more likely a trade that is made in the summer when they know about their departing defenders?

I have no idea about the level of interest in Chabot or Korpisalo. Maybe not knowing is better as it offers some shelter from potential bad news.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Hesitant to trade batherson with how quickly he changed once Martin came. Guy looks totally different

Maybe start looking for a higher end worker bee to play with stu and batherson

Debrusk

 

[PlayOn]

Seravelli was on Coming in Hot and he basically said:

- he doesn’t think Weegar will be traded since Calgary wants to do a quick re-tool, he thinks they build their D around him, Hanifin and Andersson
- he thinks Chychrun wants to see things through with Ottawa but based on contract status and all Ottawa’s LDs, there’s a good chance he’s traded
- Sens feel like some of the group is complacent even though they want to win
- He’s not sure if Tarasenko will be moved or if either side wants that. Tarasenko’s family likes it here and the Sens players have enjoyed having him

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Seravelli was on Coming in Hot and he basically said:

- he doesn’t think Weegar will be traded since Calgary wants to do a quick re-tool, he thinks they build their D around him, Hanifin and Andersson
- he thinks Chychrun wants to see things through with Ottawa but based on contract status and all Ottawa’s LDs, there’s a good chance he’s traded
- Sens feel like some of the group is complacent even though they want to win
- He’s not sure if Tarasenko will be moved or if either side wants that. Tarasenko’s family likes it here and the Sens players have enjoyed having him

I don't mind a Tarasenko extension. I would be reticent to pay him market-value due to his age. If you look at some contracts signed the last two years, he should expect 3-4 years at 6 or so million. I'd rather pay a higher AAV with less term.

It's nice to see players come here and like it here. Craig Anderson originally did not want to come here as a free agent. Bryan Murray traded for him, knowing that if he got him in the city, he would like it here and might stick around. This feels the same way. A lot of players don't want to play in Canadian cities, but once they come to Ottawa they get comfortable and like it. Granted, Tarasenko signed here, but it seemed like we had to overpay to the point where he couldn't say no.

 

[Big Muddy]

They seem to want to re-tool.

They do not want Korpisalo. They want Chychrun. They do the goalie swap both to give Ottawa additional incentive to make the trade, but also to gain short-term cap and solve their problem with Markstrom wanting out and being difficult to move.

Markstrom wants out. He will be difficult to trade due to his up-and-down play, cap hit, and full-NTC. Markstrom has 12M over 2 years left on his contract after this season, he also has signing bonuses that make a buyout pointless.

Korpisalo has 20M left over 4 years after this season. Korpisalo does not have signing bonuses. If he doesn't bounce back with Calgary next year, a 2025 buyout saves them 3.66M of that 20M. So the swap in a worst case scenario would be very close to cap neutral for them. Then when you factor in that Chychrun is underpaid by a few million next season, and it's pretty much a wash cap wise. It just comes down to whether they value cap from 2024-2026 more than cap in 2026 and beyond, when Korpisalo would be on the books due to his additional term.

As I said in my original post, I suspect value wise that Chychrun is above Weegar. Weegar is signed well into his mid 30s and has a full NTC. Chychrun is 25 years old, and even an 8 year extension will mostly take up prime years. If Calgary is intent on re-tooling or re-building, either one, Chychrun is a much more dynamic asset than Weegar. They can audition him this season, and if he refuses to extend, they can flip him at the draft for a 1st+, or if he will extend with the team acquiring him, a massive haul. The trade market for Weegar is going to be much more limited than the market for Chychrun.

So in short, Markstrom for Korpisalo is a wash. They are both negative value assets. Cap wise, they are structured differently, and it comes down to whether Calgary values moving out a disgruntled player and gaining short term cap over long-term cap. Chychrun's cap savings compared to market value also factor into that equation. Then a Chychrun for Weegar swap gets them the more valuable and dynamic asset, whether to keep, or to trade.

If they want to rebuild or retool, I can't see them wanting Korpisalo. I haven't heard about Markstrom wanting out, but as I said in my post, I haven't heard much about Calgary's plans.

Maybe a simpler trade proposal involving Chychrun if you're thinking they really want him and wouldn't mind it if Chychrun does not resign with them. If you really think Calgary wants to move on from Weegar, then I suppose that's the main piece from Calgary's side going to Ottawa. Like I said, our desire for a RD is obvious and straightforward.

IF there's anything else needed, maybe its pick(s) from Ottawa as Calgary is theoretically rebuilding according to what you said, and maybe one player from Calgary's roster going to Ottawa to balance the cap dollars?

There seems to be different ideas on whether Calgary is rebuilding. But I don't know if I can resolve that here, so I'll just play along with idea and go with a trade proposal theme.

 

[Silencio]

Seravelli was on Coming in Hot and he basically said:
- Sens feel like some of the group is complacent even though they want to win

If that's true I'm not sure trading a player like Chychrun who has been here less than a year really shakes up that complacency. Chabot on the other hand....

 

[Loach]

If that's true I'm not sure trading a player like Chychrun who has been here less than a year really shakes up that complacency. Chabot on the other hand....

Exactly. I bet Chychrun signs for less than Chabot too. I don't care if Chabot is buds in the dressing room and throws good parties. Trade him and shake up that complacency.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Is Weegar good defensively?

Not calling you out but just using this as a launching pad for a thought:

What matters more is how he plays and if we think he'd mesh well with what we currently have.

Good goalies get here, suck, leave, and then have all-star seasons. Weegar is good defensively but that, unfortunately, does not mean he'd be good defensively here with how much a total gongshow we run.

If that's true I'm not sure trading a player like Chychrun who has been here less than a year really shakes up that complacency. Chabot on the other hand....

I'm concerned about Chabot but not at all about his drive.

He tries to do too much because he is driven. The problem is he isn't as good as his contract says he is and makes a lot of mistakes. The problem with Chabot is his contract.

 

[Senovision]

It will be hard to find a taker for Chabot.
He is injury prone. Gets 40 points a year.
Doesn't play physical. Makes a lot if defensive gaffs.
And is going to be making $10 million dollars a season pretty soon.
Having said all that he does have some good points to his game....but I still think it will be very challenging to find a trade partner and what would we be getting back in the trade?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

My post was just asking a question as I haven't really heard much about their future plans. So, thanks for the feedback.

I've been curious about the Weegar idea. We need a top 4 RD (hopefully a good one). So I get that part. But I had no idea if Calgary was anxious to get rid of him.

I'd also think that teams would be more interested in an extended Chychrun than his current situation with just 1 1/2 years remaining on his contract. If that's the case, maybe its more likely a trade that is made in the summer when they know about their departing defenders?

I have no idea about the level of interest in Chabot or Korpisalo. Maybe not knowing is better as it offers some shelter from potential bad news.

It's been a common theme in general to assume Calgary is going to rebuild, but it seems they would rather retool, and personally, I think they have the assets to pull it off. They may be expiring, but pretty much everyone they'll be dealing away over the next 1-3 years is a desirable asset, at least as of today.

The only reason I'd still potentially be optimistic about Weegar, is having Chychrun or Chabot available to use to acquire him, which I do think could appeal to Calgary. But no, definitely not someone they're looking to dump or not get proper value for, he's a stud.

Agreed on the summer time aspect as well. That's when I see us dealing away a D and acquiring one, not in season. Weegar deal would definitely fall in that category.

Chabot I could see them being interested in. I think he brings an aspect their D core could use more of. Korpisalo I don't see at all. They already have a much better tender in Markstrom who is only signed 1 year less.

 

[Big Muddy]

It's been a common theme in general to assume Calgary is going to rebuild, but it seems they would rather retool, and personally, I think they have the assets to pull it off. They may be expiring, but pretty much everyone they'll be dealing away over the next 1-3 years is a desirable asset, at least as of today.

The only reason I'd still potentially be optimistic about Weegar, is having Chychrun or Chabot available to use to acquire him, which I do think could appeal to Calgary. But no, definitely not someone they're looking to dump or not get proper value for, he's a stud.

Agreed on the summer time aspect as well. That's when I see us dealing away a D and acquiring one, not in season. Weegar deal would definitely fall in that category.

Chabot I could see them being interested in. I think he brings an aspect their D core could use more of. Korpisalo I don't see at all. They already have a much better tender in Markstrom who is only signed 1 year less.

I guess the obvious question does Calgary feel that a LD is a key part of their "retool" strategy and would they be sufficiently motivated to move Weegar to get the LD? If so, I think they'd prefer the LD with term then as well.

A trade around Chabot for Weegar as the main pieces would be interesting and I wouldn't be opposed to that at all. It almost seems to be too good to be true, but not always sure my impulses are accurate. And yes, I didn't really see the Markstrom (and taking on Korpisalo on top of that) part at all from a Calgary perspective.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Exactly. I bet Chychrun signs for less than Chabot too. I don't care if Chabot is buds in the dressing room and throws good parties. Trade him and shake up that complacency.

If that's true I'm not sure trading a player like Chychrun who has been here less than a year really shakes up that complacency. Chabot on the other hand....

Chychrun will not sign for less than Chabot. Chychrun will be a UFA, and the team salary structure makes it so that anything below 8M is a low-ball when Chychrun and Chabot both have similar deployment. Chabot will also make 9.5M in real dollars over the next four years.

Low end is 8M-8.5M, high end is 9.5M with bonuses and a NMC.

Trading Chabot is fine if you want to give him away. I can't imagine there would be a market for him coming off a bad season with his current cap hit and term.

I don't think the Senators are choosing to move Chychrun, I think the choice is being made for them by other circumstances that make moving Chychrun over Chabot more viable. They will get a big return for Chychrun, they won't for Chabot.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I guess the obvious question does Calgary feel that a LD is a key part of their "retool" strategy and would they be sufficiently motivated to move Weegar to get the LD? If so, I think they'd prefer the LD with term then as well.

A trade around Chabot for Weegar as the main pieces would be interesting and I wouldn't be opposed to that. And yes, I didn't really see the Markstrom (and taking on Korpisalo on top of that) part at all from a Calgary perspective.

That's probably where they don't even know yet with this deadline still needing to transpire and determine their needs. 3 pretty high end UFA's, all with the possibility of re-signing needing to be solved is quite a bit in one year.

Maybe wishful thinking we could dump Korpisalo more than anything.

Chychrun will not sign for less than Chabot. Chychrun will be a UFA, and the team salary structure makes it so that anything below 8M is a low-ball when Chychrun and Chabot both have similar deployment. Chabot will also make 9.5M in real dollars over the next four years.

Low end is 8M-8.5M, high end is 9.5M with bonuses and a NMC.

Trading Chabot is fine if you want to give him away. I can't imagine there would be a market for him coming off a bad season with his current cap hit and term.

I don't think the Senators are choosing to move Chychrun, I think the choice is being made for them by other circumstances that make moving Chychrun over Chabot more viable. They will get a big return for Chychrun, they won't for Chabot.

I'm willing to bet he lands between 7 and 8 million on a long term deal. 9.5 for Chychrun is too much imo.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

That's probably where they don't even know yet with this deadline still needing to transpire and determine their needs. 3 pretty high end UFA's, all with the possibility of re-signing needing to be solved is quite a bit in one year.

Maybe wishful thinking we could dump Korpisalo more than anything.

I'm willing to bet he lands between 7 and 8 million on a long term deal. 9.5 for Chychrun is too much imo.

I could see him at 7.XX if he signs with a contender or an ideal destination. I can't see him taking that kind of discount in Ottawa because of the way the salaries are structured here. Almost the entire core, including Chabot and Sanderson are at 8M+. Chabot is at 9.5M in real dollars over the remainder of his contract.

The timing of his contract expiring is also in his favour. He will benefit from two years of the cap going up. Players like Lindholm, Weegar, and Klingberg (if he accepted the long-term offer from Dallas) all had diminished AAVs from the nearly flat-cap.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I could see him at 7.XX if he signs with a contender or an ideal destination. I can't see him taking that kind of discount in Ottawa because of the way the salaries are structured here. Almost the entire core, including Chabot and Sanderson are at 8M+. Chabot is at 9.5M in real dollars over the remainder of his contract.

The timing of his contract expiring is also in his favour. He will benefit from two years of the cap going up. Players like Lindholm, Weegar, and Klingberg (if he accepted the long-term offer from Dallas) all had diminished AAVs from the nearly flat-cap.

Ya, I guess I could see it go either way. Chabot arguably got overpaid with the assumption the cap would rise, since it was signed pre-covid, but fair point. I just see him more in that secondary group that'll get term and a big deal, but more in that 7-8mil range than the 8.5+.

 

[Loach]

Chychrun will not sign for less than Chabot. Chychrun will be a UFA, and the team salary structure makes it so that anything below 8M is a low-ball when Chychrun and Chabot both have similar deployment. Chabot will also make 9.5M in real dollars over the next four years.

Low end is 8M-8.5M, high end is 9.5M with bonuses and a NMC.

Trading Chabot is fine if you want to give him away. I can't imagine there would be a market for him coming off a bad season with his current cap hit and term.

I don't think the Senators are choosing to move Chychrun, I think the choice is being made for them by other circumstances that make moving Chychrun over Chabot more viable. They will get a big return for Chychrun, they won't for Chabot.

This is all wrong.

Ya, I guess I could see it go either way. Chabot arguably got overpaid with the assumption the cap would rise, since it was signed pre-covid, but fair point. I just see him more in that secondary group that'll get term and a big deal, but more in that 7-8mil range than the 8.5+.

He wants to be in Ottawa. 7m.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

He wants to be in Ottawa. 7m.

Ya I think so too. Still not convinced he'll be the guy to go, but the contract uncertainty is the big factor obviously.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

York on the Coming In Hot podcast keeps saying Tarasenko should be moved because "Ottawa needs to restock the cupboards" and "Tarasenko doesn't fit/Ottawa already has scorers".

Both arguments are lazy and straight up wrong. Ottawa has three picks in the top ~40 this season.
Tarasenko is also a veteran presence that doesn't make an absurd amount and he's playing pretty damn well considering it's his first season on brand new team.

It's not easy to find players with Tarasenko's talent in free agency let alone the draft. Staois should do everything he can to sign him. It's guys like Kubalik who has shown to have zero chemistry that should be moved.

 

[DrEasy]

York on the Coming In Hot podcast keeps saying Tarasenko should be moved because "Ottawa needs to restock the cupboards" and "Tarasenko doesn't fit/Ottawa already has scorers".

Both arguments are lazy and straight up wrong. Ottawa has three picks in the top ~40 this season.
Tarasenko is also a veteran presence that doesn't make an absurd amount and he's playing pretty damn well considering it's his first season on brand new team.

It's not easy to find players with Tarasenko's talent in free agency let alone the draft. Staois should do everything he can to sign him. It's guys like Kubalik who has shown to have zero chemistry that should be moved.

Having three picks in the top 40 doesn't mean we shouldn't get even more if we can. The prospect cupboard is bare, and picks are valuable assets for future trades as well.

Sure, if he wants to come back at a reasonable contract why not, but if he hasn't extended at the deadline, bu-bye.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Having three picks in the top 40 doesn't mean we shouldn't get even more if we can. The prospect cupboard is bare.

Sure, if he wants to come back at a reasonable contract why not, but if he hasn't extended at the deadline, bu-bye.

Three top 40 picks does restock the cupboards pretty damn well if you ask me. At a bare minimum one of those three should become a NHL player, along with the multiple other selections in later rounds. Prospect pool is mediocre currently, not as bad as people think it is.

Obviously if he doesn't want to sign, he should be traded.

 

[PlayOn]

York on the Coming In Hot podcast keeps saying Tarasenko should be moved because "Ottawa needs to restock the cupboards" and "Tarasenko doesn't fit/Ottawa already has scorers".

Both arguments are lazy and straight up wrong. Ottawa has three picks in the top ~40 this season.
Tarasenko is also a veteran presence that doesn't make an absurd amount and he's playing pretty damn well considering it's his first season on brand new team.

It's not easy to find players with Tarasenko's talent in free agency let alone the draft. Staois should do everything he can to sign him. It's guys like Kubalik who has shown to have zero chemistry that should be moved.

I agree with him tbh.

We have three top 40 picks, yes, but we don’t have a 2nd next year or a 1st in one of the next two. And considering we had no top 40 picks the last two years, that’s not ideal.

But more importantly keeping Tarasenko feels like an emotional choice rather than a smart one. He’s been a good fit, I’ve really liked him. But on the wing we already have Brady, Batherson, Giroux, whichever centre gets moved when all are healthy etc. The only real two-way winger we have is Joseph, and given our team defense I think it’s clear we need another, especially one who can be a core PK guy for us — we haven’t really had that since losing Brown and Paul.

We need a RD and an established two way forward. If you can do that and also fit in Tarasenko then great but I don’t see it. Plus our goaltending is a mess and who knows what the solution is there.

 

[Hale The Villain]

York on the Coming In Hot podcast keeps saying Tarasenko should be moved because "Ottawa needs to restock the cupboards" and "Tarasenko doesn't fit/Ottawa already has scorers".

Both arguments are lazy and straight up wrong. Ottawa has three picks in the top ~40 this season.
Tarasenko is also a veteran presence that doesn't make an absurd amount and he's playing pretty damn well considering it's his first season on brand new team.

It's not easy to find players with Tarasenko's talent in free agency let alone the draft. Staois should do everything he can to sign him. It's guys like Kubalik who has shown to have zero chemistry that should be moved.

Tarasenko already turned down a 22M/4R offer from Dorion this summer, and thank god he did because that would not have aged well.

He's a hired gun. Went to the second highest bidder (SJ offered him more but unlike us they were expected to be a disaster) on a 1 year deal to take him to free agency when the cap jumps.

We don't need more lazy one-dimensional forwards. We've got plenty already. Should absolutely move him for a pick at the deadline.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Having three picks in the top 40 doesn't mean we shouldn't get even more if we can. The prospect cupboard is bare, and picks are valuable assets for future trades as well.

Sure, if he wants to come back at a reasonable contract why not, but if he hasn't extended at the deadline, bu-bye.

It’s up to him though