Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Big Muddy]

People need to understand that we're going to have a VERY hard time attracting free agents this summer.

We'll have plenty of cap space, since Tarasenko, Kubalik and probably Brannstrom will be off the books, but who in their right mind would want to play here?

We're already an unattractive UFA destination and the team is falling apart. Can't see anyone significant willingly coming here, even if we overpay slightly.

Joseph needs to stay and we need to add a good top 9 forward to fill out the 3rd line with him and Pinto.

We will have $12.8 m of cap space and 16 players under contract next year. Tarasenko's, Kubalik's & Brannstrom's cap hits have already been subtracted so they have been factored out already. Forsberg is on LTIR and his $2.75 is called "Salary Relief" by Cap Friendly. I guess it boils down to the definition of "plenty of cap space". We will need to replace (or resign) Tarasenko, so that's a more expensive contract to add unless we use an ELC or something in that slot. I'm not suggesting this is a huge jam, but it could preclude a big shopping spree if some are thinking that will happen.

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[Alex1234]

Watching him play like he is already a Sen. He’s a weak player who is lost defending the rush and turns the puck over a lot.

Did you seriously put zero stats in your answer? oof

 

[GCK]

Did you seriously put zero stats in your answer? oof

Stats are quite meaningless when looking at how players play within a structure.

 

[Alex1234]

Stats are quite meaningless when looking at how players play within a structure.

Tourigny plays him 22:23min on average but if you know better ok
I thought he could help here with his low salary and average to good stats but obviously if you say he is terrible without even having to lean on anything other than your eye test, I mean he's probably terrible, not bad, terrible so just pretend he's not on the list.
But point remains we need help at the D position

 

[Burrowsaurus]

In fairness, the Senators were kind of shit most of his tenure and always spent under the cap leaving some sizable holes in the roster. And the Sharks cratered almost immediately after the first run he was a part of. Now he's on a washed up Penguins team and could be considered a spring chicken next the big 3. He's generally had some bad luck as far as the state of the teams he's been on.

We’re shit right now man. So it would just be more “bad luck” for Karlsson.

literally the first year he played for them they went on a playoff run as long as the one the 2017 senators had.

but anyway winning is a team thing, everyone knows that.

Mhm and they were quite good. The sharks were a good team that’s why they acquired him. We are not. We have enough players who don’t want to play defence right now.

 

[Cosmix]

Should we bring back Connor Brown to see if he can be a reclamation project of sorts? Good veteran if it works out. Dude hasn't scored a goal since leaving Ottawa and he played very well over here.

Would be cheap, minimum risk with the contract expiring this summer. Probably still a decent PKer at the very least.

Yes for $1M as a 4th liner.

 

[Cosmix]

We’re shit right now man. So it would just be more “bad luck” for Karlsson.


Mhm and they were quite good. The sharks were a good team that’s why they acquired him. We are not. We have enough players who don’t want to play defence right now.

We definitely need to upgrade our D; Brannstrom, Hamonic and JBD are not optimal.

We need 2 big physical defenders. At least one should be like Volchenkov or Methot. Hopefully Kleven will develop into an NHL D.

 

[Cosmix]

We’re shit right now man. So it would just be more “bad luck” for Karlsson.


Mhm and they were quite good. The sharks were a good team that’s why they acquired him. We are not. We have enough players who don’t want to play defence right now.

I think Karlsson would be an excellent addition to our D core because he would help our attack, improve puck possession and help move the puck out of our D zone; however, we do not have the cap space (Pittsburgh would have to retain salary) and one of our high salary D would have to be traded (Chabot, Sanderson, Chychrun, Zub). I doubt that it happens.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think Karlsson would be an excellent addition to our D core because he would help our attack, improve puck possession and help move the puck out of our D zone; however, we do not have the cap space (Pittsburgh would have to retain salary) and one of our high salary D would have to be traded (Chabot, Sanderson, Chychrun, Zub). I doubt that it happens.

That contract is not worth a marginal improvement. Are we in the playoffs right now with karlsson? No

 

[GCK]

Tourigny plays him 22:23min on average but if you know better ok
I thought he could help here with his low salary and average to good stats but obviously if you say he is terrible without even having to lean on anything other than your eye test, I mean he's probably terrible, not bad, terrible so just pretend he's not on the list.
But point remains we need help at the D position

Tourigny plays him as an offensive D, he is the polar opposite of what we need unless he is replacing Chabot.

@Agent Zub how about Chabot for Karlsson in the offseason?

 

[Cosmix]

Tourigny plays him as an offensive D, he is the polar opposite of what we need unless he is replacing Chabot.

@Agent Zub how about Chabot for Karlsson in the offseason?

Tempting.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

That contract is not worth a marginal improvement. Are we in the playoffs right now with karlsson? No

With better coaching and Karlsson we very well could be.

Tourigny plays him as an offensive D, he is the polar opposite of what we need unless he is replacing Chabot.

@Agent Zub how about Chabot for Karlsson in the offseason?

if the goal is to make the team better it is sort of an easy trade to make.

Team needs a shakeup
Karlsson is better player than Chabot
We are weakest at RD and overfilled at LD

Karlsson also has high end hockey sense, this team badly needs high end hockey sense.

 

[Dionysus]

If they can trade Kubalik, Tank, and one of Chabot or Chychrun, that's a good start.

Bring in some defensibly responsible wingers who are clearly NHL caliber.

 

[Senator Stanley]

If they can trade Kubalik, Tank, and one of Chabot or Chychrun, that's a good start.

Bring in some defensibly responsible wingers who are clearly NHL caliber.

I honestly don't see why any good team would want Kubalik on their roster. What does he do well, besides one-timing a puck? Meanwhile, he's one of the worst defensive players on one of the league's worst teams.

 

[Emerica]

I honestly don't see why any good team would want Kubalik on their roster. What does he do well, besides one-timing a puck? Meanwhile, he's one of the worst defensive players on one of the league's worst teams.

Teams trade for average players all the time at the deadline. They want warm bodies with NHL experience for depth before going on a playoff run. The fact that he’s also had two 20+ goal seasons will also help. He is going to be traded

 

[Dionysus]

I honestly don't see why any good team would want Kubalik on their roster. What does he do well, besides one-timing a puck? Meanwhile, he's one of the worst defensive players on one of the league's worst teams.

You might get nothing for him, very true. I would like to see him replaced by any warm body that plays a more north south game on the wing.

 

[dumbdick]

I honestly don't see why any good team would want Kubalik on their roster. What does he do well, besides one-timing a puck? Meanwhile, he's one of the worst defensive players on one of the league's worst teams.

I don't find Kubalik is bad defensively. I find him quite good in that respect. He's usually invisible in a fairly neutral way. Kind of like lazar used to be for us.

 

[JD1]

We definitely need to upgrade our D; Brannstrom, Hamonic and JBD are not optimal.

We need 2 big physical defenders. At least one should be like Volchenkov or Methot. Hopefully Kleven will develop into an NHL D.

We do need some big physical defenders. I started going hard the day we acquired Chychrun that we need to move Chabot and acquire an RHD in the 5 AAV range that plays stay at home physical hockey

There's nothing too wrong with Hamonic, Brannstrom and JBD. They are bottom pairing guys. Brannstrom leads the D core in plus minus, JBD is next.

Look at what you said we need. Volchenkov. Methot. You know what? Every single team in the league would happily trade a bottom pair guy for a top pair shut down guy. Ya, we need a guy like that...but we need to look at our existing top 4 and decide who's getting moved out because cap wise we're not adding a top 4 calibre shut down guy without moving out someone

 

[otown]

I don't find Kubalik is bad defensively. I find him quite good in that respect. He's usually invisible in a fairly neutral way. Kind of like lazar used to be for us.

You're right....Lazar was invisible!

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The trades are not meant as complete trade ideas. They are the main components. I'm not trying to figure out who should kick in a 3rd or 4th round pick, or aspects like that. The point is to figure out logical change-of-scenery swaps for Korpisalo.

It is unlikely that we move him without some sort of pain (retention or taking back another player who is playing poorly). The point of the trades isn't to point out some sort of home run where we get out of the contract cleanly without any negative reprecussions.

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Korpisalo to SEA for Grubauer?
-Seattle gets a goalie with a lower cap hit to backup Daccord long-term.
-We get the goalie with the higher cap hit but less term.
-Both sides benefit from the change of scenery, but they don't need a starter, only a backup long-term.

Korpisalo to LAK for Rittich? (Third team retains on Korpisalo)
-Korpisalo was good in the system of LAK.
-We bring in a third team who has a player signed for 2 or 3 years in a different position that they want to dump. Such as, Peeke from Columbus.
-Ottawa takes the bad contract from the third team, the third team retains on Korpisalo.

Korpisalo to EDM for Jack Campbell?
-Both teams benefit from the change of scenery.
-Edmonton gets 1M in cap relief at the expense of taking on 1 more year of term.

Korpisalo to CBJ for Elvis?
-Similar to the EDM and SEA deals. We take on a higher cap hit goalie, but we get out a year earlier. The other team does it because there is no reasonable way to dump their bad goalie, but Korpisalo's cap hit is more manageable.

Korpisalo (Half Retained) to TBL for Connor Sheary & Jonas Johansson?
-Sheary is not producing in Tampa. This trade would allow him to come to Ottawa and play a bigger role. It gives Staios a veteran forward who has been on many contenders.
-Tampa's goalie situation has been rocky with Vasilevskiy's injuries and slow play since recovering. This gives them a veteran #2 goalie. Given how tough the goalie market is right now, gambling that Korpisalo's problem is Ottawa might be their best move.
-Sheary has a NTC. With Tampa outside of the playoffs, and his minimized role, maybe he would waive to come to Ottawa where he'd be leaned on as a bigger part of the top 6-9 and a veteran leader.

 

[DrEasy]

The trades are not meant as complete trade ideas. They are the main components. I'm not trying to figure out who should kick in a 3rd or 4th round pick, or aspects like that. The point is to figure out logical change-of-scenery swaps for Korpisalo.

It is unlikely that we move him without some sort of pain (retention or taking back another player who is playing poorly). The point of the trades isn't to point out some sort of home run where we get out of the contract cleanly without any negative reprecussions.

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Korpisalo to SEA for Grubauer?
-Seattle gets a goalie with a lower cap hit to backup Daccord long-term.
-We get the goalie with the higher cap hit but less term.
-Both sides benefit from the change of scenery, but they don't need a starter, only a backup long-term.

Korpisalo to LAK for Rittich? (Third team retains on Korpisalo)
-Korpisalo was good in the system of LAK.
-We bring in a third team who has a player signed for 2 or 3 years in a different position that they want to dump. Such as, Peeke from Columbus.
-Ottawa takes the bad contract from the third team, the third team retains on Korpisalo.

Korpisalo to EDM for Jack Campbell?
-Both teams benefit from the change of scenery.
-Edmonton gets 1M in cap relief at the expense of taking on 1 more year of term.

Korpisalo to CBJ for Elvis?
-Similar to the EDM and SEA deals. We take on a higher cap hit goalie, but we get out a year earlier. The other team does it because there is no reasonable way to dump their bad goalie, but Korpisalo's cap hit is more manageable.

Korpisalo (Half Retained) to TBL for Connor Sheary & Jonas Johansson?
-Sheary is not producing in Tampa. This trade would allow him to come to Ottawa and play a bigger role. It gives Staios a veteran forward who has been on many contenders.
-Tampa's goalie situation has been rocky with Vasilevskiy's injuries and slow play since recovering. This gives them a veteran #2 goalie. Given how tough the goalie market is right now, gambling that Korpisalo's problem is Ottawa might be their best move.
-Sheary has a NTC. With Tampa outside of the playoffs, and his minimized role, maybe he would waive to come to Ottawa where he'd be leaned on as a bigger part of the top 6-9 and a veteran leader.

Nobody wants Fourpi5alol.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Some interesting right hand D available in free agency.

Dumba Roy Walker takes hronek lyubushkin

Trade brannstrom. Trade Kubalik and tank gone. Dead money coming off.

Maybe we can afford the cheapest one.

What we absolutely need is cheap good forwards to round out the roster.

I’m not a cap guy so I dono.
(Not real lines just listing guys)
Tkatchuk Norris giroux
Someone stutzle batherson
Greig Pinto Joseph
Someone someone someone. (All cheap).

Sanderson zub
Chabot lyubushkin
Chychrun JBD.

Which forwards we looking at? Speedy vets. I also don’t know how much that lineup costs. But we have to keep in mind giroux is coming off the books or at least making less after that year.

Greig raise coming tho.

 

[Mookie McGee]

Normally I would look at this roster and the results to date and say it is time to make significant changes.

But when you look at the Canucks, their change from bad to elite last year over this year has happened with all of their top 12 scorers all being on the roster last year except Lafferty (ok Hronek only played 4 games with them in 2022-23).

The main changes were at coach half way through last year, and moving out Ekman- Larsson, Luke Schenn and Ethan Bear, replacing them with Ian Cole and Zadorov and others in the bottom 4-6.

So, out with 3 of Brannstrom, Hamonic, JBD or maybe one of the big 3, insert some stable vets, try to wheel one of the softer forwards for a bigger scorer, and a no-nonsense coach,

Hope that Kleven is ready, and it is just 2-3 non-top 2 line players, and the metamorphosis may be done.

Need the right coach though to insert the right mindset.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Normally I would look at this roster and the results to date and say it is time to make significant changes.

But when you look at the Canucks, their change from bad to elite last year over this year has happened with all of their top 12 scorers all being on the roster last year except Lafferty (ok Hronek only played 4 games with them in 2022-23).

The main changes were at coach half way through last year, and moving out Ekman- Larsson, Luke Schenn and Ethan Bear, replacing them with Ian Cole and Zadorov and others in the bottom 4-6.

So, out with 3 of Brannstrom, Hamonic, JBD or maybe one of the big 3, insert some stable vets, try to wheel one of the softer forwards for a bigger scorer, and a no-nonsense coach,

Hope that Kleven is ready, and it is just 2-3 non-top 2 line players, and the metamorphosis may be done.

Need the right coach though to insert the right mindset.

Did they not trade Bo Horvat the captain?

 

[Wondercarrot]

I honestly don't see why any good team would want Kubalik on their roster. What does he do well, besides one-timing a puck? Meanwhile, he's one of the worst defensive players on one of the league's worst teams.

Not sure what people are on about with Kubalik.
He’s on pace for 20 goals, he seems like a yearly lock for 20.
He plays responsibly, a good vet who doesn’t hurt us defensively and he only makes $2.5.

How does that not have value?!