Free Agency and Trade Thread - Playoff Edition II

[Cor]

I’d be fine with a 1x1 for Franson.

Especially if we deal Zaitsev

 

[WTFMAN99]

7 NHL teams that could threaten to offer-sheet a superstar - Sportsnet.ca

Isles and Sabres seem like the only ones...the rest screws up their internal cap structure too much.

Wings really don't have cap + surplus of good young forwards

Isles could suck next year

Bergevin seems too cheap

Devils could theoretically do it but I think they probably don't want to wrap up too much money in Marner when Hall talks are starting

Canes internal budget

Yotes - Internal budget + lots of young forwards

Sabres have a rich owner and the desperation to try something.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I’d be fine with a 1x1 for Franson.

Especially if we deal Zaitsev

He should not get more than vet minimum, and he would at best be a Holl replacement... which is not really necessary. Holl makes less than vet minimum, which already makes him more valuable than most.

 

[Cor]

He should not get more than vet minimum, and he would at best be a Holl replacement... which is not really necessary. Holl makes less than vet minimum, which already makes him more valuable than most.

1M can be buried in the minors all the same as 700K.

I couldn’t care less which one it is.

 

[deletethis]

IMO, Franson gets a little overrated by certain stats, but he also is undeniably a better player than some currently on NHL rosters. If he would sign dirt cheap I would take him over Justin Holl.

Franson is the poster boy for the pitfalls of advanced stats pedantry. Chicago waived him while delivering these high "possession" numbers. No one in an NHL front office thinks Franson is NHL level any longer.

 

[SprDaVE]

Plenty of teams with new GMs. It usually means they are a lot more willing to trade players they have little attachment too and change the team to their liking.

I don't think the Leafs want to do this, but I do think the Flyers would love to trade for Kadri. He fits their current team so well and they do have some defensive options the Leafs would probably be interested in. A trade revolving around Kadri for Sanheim would be interesting (of course more pieces/assets would be included in this). Sanheim is a RFA.

Spurgeon is another name I think will surface this off-season again but the problem is that he's only got 1 year left on his deal. I can't put my finger on what it would cost to get him but I assume it would be around the price of Muzzin, which is not cheap.

Edmonton might be a team to look out for but I'm not sure I like most of their available assets. I feel like Brown will be traded there for a pick or two though.

 

[deletethis]

The price for Barrie has to be significant. They aren't doing it just for Kapanen or Johnsson or Nylander. Then again Erik Karlsson didn't cost all that much one season before free agency especially if he doesn't re-sign with San Jose. How about Nylander and Liljegren for Barrie? This would be a bold move that kind of cashes in on a fair bit of the team's future while possibly having nothing to show for it after a season. Barrie seems like he would be a great 1 year addition bridging for the time when prospect defensemen are pushing for an NHL job.

Here's an even bolder idea that is going to sound blasphemous: trading Morgan Rielly while acquiring Barrie. Rielly's market has to be sky high with that great contract and 2 consecutive years of great performance. But he's a left side guy. The Leafs have a lot of quality left side defenders. It's arguable that the loss of Rielly would be much easier to cover for than the loss of even Zaitsev. Some of Rielly's great numbers are opportunity related. AND a wild card is that there are certain media people itching to "get" Rielly in a controversy. They tried again this season. This wasn't the first time. These people don't forgive and forget. They will be coming for him again. The question is what would you use a great asset like Rielly to acquire? How about among other goodies a future right side stud?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Plenty of teams with new GMs. It usually means they are a lot more willing to trade players they have little attachment too and change the team to their liking.

I don't think the Leafs want to do this, but I do think the Flyers would love to trade for Kadri. He fits their current team so well and they do have some defensive options the Leafs would probably be interested in. A trade revolving around Kadri for Sanheim would be interesting (of course more pieces/assets would be included in this). Sanheim is a RFA.

Spurgeon is another name I think will surface this off-season again but the problem is that he's only got 1 year left on his deal. I can't put my finger on what it would cost to get him but I assume it would be around the price of Muzzin, which is not cheap.

Edmonton might be a team to look out for but I'm not sure I like most of their available assets. I feel like Brown will be traded there for a pick or two though.

This is an excellent point that I hadn't considered. We saw it with Carolina last year and we saw Fenton move Nino, Coyle and Granlund out (all of whom are under contract again next year) as well. Botterill moved ROR after 1 year in the job. You mentioned Philly, MIN and EDM.

Both Yzerman and Holland are new GMs this year. Fletcher joined PHI in December. Lou is only 1 year in, but I suspect they'll be trying to replace departing UFAs vs. trading off guys. I know BriseBois is new, but like Dubas, he came from within. Am I missing anyone or are there other GMs on the hot seat that might be fired?

 

[The Podium]

Colorado fans seem to really want Kadri, and are willing to take on cap space to make it happen. If Avs management feels the same way the Leafs - Avs may be in a great position to make a couple win-win deals

 

[WTFMAN99]

The price for Barrie has to be significant. They aren't doing it just for Kapanen or Johnsson or Nylander. Then again Erik Karlsson didn't cost all that much one season before free agency especially if he doesn't re-sign with San Jose. How about Nylander and Liljegren for Barrie? This would be a bold move that kind of cashes in on a fair bit of the team's future while possibly having nothing to show for it after a season. Barrie seems like he would be a great 1 year addition bridging for the time when prospect defensemen are pushing for an NHL job.

Here's an even bolder idea that is going to sound blasphemous: trading Morgan Rielly while acquiring Barrie. Rielly's market has to be sky high with that great contract and 2 consecutive years of great performance. But he's a left side guy. The Leafs have a lot of quality left side defenders. It's arguable that the loss of Rielly would be much easier to cover for than the loss of even Zaitsev. Some of Rielly's great numbers are opportunity related. AND a wild card is that there are certain media people itching to "get" Rielly in a controversy. They tried again this season. This wasn't the first time. These people don't forgive and forget. They will be coming for him again. The question is what would you use a great asset like Rielly to acquire? How about among other goodies a future right side stud?

No.

 

[BertCorbeau]

The price for Barrie has to be significant. They aren't doing it just for Kapanen or Johnsson or Nylander. Then again Erik Karlsson didn't cost all that much one season before free agency especially if he doesn't re-sign with San Jose. How about Nylander and Liljegren for Barrie? This would be a bold move that kind of cashes in on a fair bit of the team's future while possibly having nothing to show for it after a season. Barrie seems like he would be a great 1 year addition bridging for the time when prospect defensemen are pushing for an NHL job.

Here's an even bolder idea that is going to sound blasphemous: trading Morgan Rielly while acquiring Barrie. Rielly's market has to be sky high with that great contract and 2 consecutive years of great performance. But he's a left side guy. The Leafs have a lot of quality left side defenders. It's arguable that the loss of Rielly would be much easier to cover for than the loss of even Zaitsev. Some of Rielly's great numbers are opportunity related. AND a wild card is that there are certain media people itching to "get" Rielly in a controversy. They tried again this season. This wasn't the first time. These people don't forgive and forget. They will be coming for him again. The question is what would you use a great asset like Rielly to acquire? How about among other goodies a future right side stud?

Even for an extended Barrie that's a big overpayment. Moving one of your near NHL prospect D for a D that's intended to be a bridge for said NHL prospect D seems quite counterproductive.

Also moving Rielly now on the idea that Sandin or Liljegren might be able to replace him in the future isn't smart. Those young guys will need Rielly to be able to take on the tough assignments moving forward.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Colorado fans seem to really want Kadri, and are willing to take on cap space to make it happen. If Avs management feels the same way the Leafs - Avs may be in a great position to make a couple win-win deals

Colorado has two first round picks too. They one the Leafs could target is the 16th OA pick.

Colorado 1st + ? for Kadri...

They also have their 16th OA pick (Martin Kaut, a centre) that could be a good centre prospect acquisition.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Colorado has two first round picks too. They one the Leafs could target is the 16th OA pick.

Colorado 1st + ? for Kadri...

They also have their 16th OA pick (Martin Kaut, a centre) that could be a good centre prospect acquisition.

Main trade forum had some Avs fans unopposed to Kerfoot + 16 for Kadri. I would be okay with that, cheaper 3C and 16th is nice to help stock the cupboards.

 

[The Podium]

Main trade forum had some Avs fans unopposed to Kerfoot + 16 for Kadri. I would be okay with that, cheaper 3C and 16th is nice to help stock the cupboards.

I believe Kerfoot also plays LW which could be helpful

 

[WTFMAN99]

I believe Kerfoot also plays LW which could be helpful

Main appeal for me to be honest is having him at centre, he replaces Kadri and is likely to come in 1.5-2M cheaper then Kadri's current 4.5M salary. He also had well over 50% face offs this year and had good CF%.

1st is an asset as we either add another good prospect to the pool or it is currency (or the prospect is) to grab something we need later.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Theres gotta be a good trade coming up....we have too many bodies and more coming from the Marlies. Guys fighting for higher spots in lineup and may be wasted on the 4th.
Here's how I see us shaping up with current positions and guys that should be up IMO.

Centre - Tavares, Matthews, Kadri, Gauthier, Brooks?
LW - Hyman, Marleau, Petan, Johnsson, Michaylev, Marchment, Engvall
RW - Marner, Nylander, Kapanen, Moore, Bracco, Korshkov, Brown

Centre looks a little thin. Gotta keep Kadri or at least get a serviceable 3rd line guy back in any trade. Time to move on from Gauthier as he doesn't add anything.....Is Brooks able to work there?

LW looks pretty bad at first glance. Assuming Hyman is locked on top line and Marleau cant be moved that leaves 2 spots. Michaylev and AJ I guess.......with Marchment or Engvall as pressbox material or available to trade?

RW is a surpluss. Marner and Nylander are top 2. Bracco cant be put lower than 3rd line with what he brings which leaves Moore on the fourth....which I hate. he should be higher. What about Kap/Korsh/Brown?

Too many bodies....not a bad thing....but lots of trade options to get us that RHD. Kap/AJ/Brown/Prospect/pick....has gotta return something good no?

Thoughts on a framework of Marner for Werenski + Anderson?

 

[dubplatepressure]

Main trade forum had some Avs fans unopposed to Kerfoot + 16 for Kadri. I would be okay with that, cheaper 3C and 16th is nice to help stock the cupboards.

I'd be all. over. that.

 

[hamzarocks]

Thoughts on a framework of Marner for Werenski + Anderson?

If marner wants a penny over 10mill that deal should be offered right away. Werenski has the potential to be better than rielly(top 10 defender) and anderson can be a gritty 2 way 30-30 guy. We save cap and can sign a f/a winger as well afterwards.

 

[supermann_98]

Main trade forum had some Avs fans unopposed to Kerfoot + 16 for Kadri. I would be okay with that, cheaper 3C and 16th is nice to help stock the cupboards.

Kerfoot is underrated, I would do this trade in a heartbeat.

 

[Al14]

I’d be fine with a 1x1 for Franson.

Especially if we deal Zaitsev

Have they perfected rocket booster skates yet? Otherwise, it's a big fat NO from me!

If you want to bring back pylons, might as well get Phaneuf. At least he'll throw a hit, when he can actually catch an opposing player.

 

[TML Dynasty]

Thoughts on a framework of Marner for Werenski + Anderson?

Yeah, it’d solve some issues for us but I’d rather move Nylander. Not that I think Willy would return that just yet

 

[nuck]

Thoughts on a framework of Marner for Werenski + Anderson?

Only if they can get Panarin. I think he will sign long term for much less than Mitch wants, but failing that, I have limited faith in Nylander to be an elite RW. No interest at all in running with Willie as my top winger.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yeah, it’d solve some issues for us but I’d rather move Nylander. Not that I think Willy would return that just yet

I don't think Nylander ever returns that. If Pesce for Nylander is still on the table this summer, I take it. The cap savings + position fit are just too appealing for me. Some will scream bloody murder on here but eh, we all got our preferences

 

[TML Dynasty]

I don't think Nylander ever returns that. If Pesce for Nylander is still on the table this summer, I take it. The cap savings + position fit are just too appealing for me. Some will scream bloody murder on here but eh, we all got our preferences

Lol honestly I agree. Think Pesce got more valuable and Willy less so as the season went on though. We need to build his value back up.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I don't think Nylander ever returns that. If Pesce for Nylander is still on the table this summer, I take it. The cap savings + position fit are just too appealing for me. Some will scream bloody murder on here but eh, we all got our preferences

I think Nylander will turn out to be a very good player, I just can't see upgrading in other areas with JT, AM, MM, WN all making the big bucks. Unless Zaitsev, Kadri and Brown go.......