Free Agency and Trade Thread - Playoff Edition II

[Mugzy97]

Main trade forum had some Avs fans unopposed to Kerfoot + 16 for Kadri. I would be okay with that, cheaper 3C and 16th is nice to help stock the cupboards.

I'd strongly consider that

 

[mapleleafs34]

The price for Barrie has to be significant. They aren't doing it just for Kapanen or Johnsson or Nylander. Then again Erik Karlsson didn't cost all that much one season before free agency especially if he doesn't re-sign with San Jose. How about Nylander and Liljegren for Barrie? This would be a bold move that kind of cashes in on a fair bit of the team's future while possibly having nothing to show for it after a season. Barrie seems like he would be a great 1 year addition bridging for the time when prospect defensemen are pushing for an NHL job.

Here's an even bolder idea that is going to sound blasphemous: trading Morgan Rielly while acquiring Barrie. Rielly's market has to be sky high with that great contract and 2 consecutive years of great performance. But he's a left side guy. The Leafs have a lot of quality left side defenders. It's arguable that the loss of Rielly would be much easier to cover for than the loss of even Zaitsev. Some of Rielly's great numbers are opportunity related. AND a wild card is that there are certain media people itching to "get" Rielly in a controversy. They tried again this season. This wasn't the first time. These people don't forgive and forget. They will be coming for him again. The question is what would you use a great asset like Rielly to acquire? How about among other goodies a future right side stud?

My god, we finally have a STUD Dman and you guys want to trade him away

 

[Doug Gilmour]

Main trade forum had some Avs fans unopposed to Kerfoot + 16 for Kadri. I would be okay with that, cheaper 3C and 16th is nice to help stock the cupboards.

I’m on board with that. I like Kadri but with where this team is and is going he is misused. He is a 2C and Colorado needs a 2C, plus the price doesn’t break the bank for either team.

 

[BlueForever75]

Hyman	2.25	Tavares	11	Marner	9.95
Marleau	6.25	Matthews	11.634	Nylander	6.963
Mikheyev	0.925	Kadri	4.5	Kapanen	2.5
Engvall	0.925	Gauthier	0.675	Brown	2.1
		Moore	0.775
	Rielly	5	TRADE	4
	Muzzin	4	Liljegren	0.895
	Dermott	0.864	Hainsey	1
	Rosen	0.75	Holl	0.675
		Andersen	5
		UFA	1
		Kessel	1.2
		Total Cap	84.831

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Brown is going to get traded so he will not be in your lineup. Many players available in our system now that can replace Brown at half the price. Moore as your spare forward is ludicrous he will be Browns replacement. So that will be an extra 1.3 to spend on your lineup. What ever we do we need to move Marleau, if we cannot he needs to play 4th line minutes. He cannot be in top 9 forwards. Maybe with less minutes, he can be that ace in our sleeve later in the season with more jump to his step in the playoffs.

Liljegren will not be in starting lineup this coming season. He needs one more season in minors with Sandin to mold into a pairing for the following season when we will need them. I like the Hainsey signing as this allows some cover for Dermott to continue to grow. Reilly needs to be given a true RHD. This is a must.

So my lineup would be:

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Koroshov-Tavares-Marner
Mikheyev-Kadri-Kapanen
Marleau\Ennis\Petan-Engval/Gauthierl-Moore

Reilly - NEW DMAN (Larsson/Braun)
Muzzin - NEW DMAN (Larrson/Braun)
Dermott - Hainsey

Andersen
NEW BACKUP

My trades if possible:

Brown, Zaitsev to EDMONTON for Adam Larrson (RHD) 2 more seasons at 4.1 million

- Edmonton needs more wingers. Brown is cheap, has played successfully with McDavid in the past. Has already scored 20 goals in NHL playing on 3rd line. Zaitsev and Larrsson are a wash in my books. Both need a change in scenery. Larsson with either Reilly or Muzzin can become what he should have been. Zaitsev with Klefbom or Nurse. Good hockey trade. Edmonton gains a winger with history with their superstar. Leafs shed Brown contract cause we have replacement (Moore), plus we don't lose a RHD with moving Zaitsev but we lose years towards salary cap by trading him.

Marleau, Johnsson to SAN JOSE for Justin Braun (RHD) 1 more season at 3.8 million

- Marleau goes back home after July 1st bonus is paid by Leafs. San Jose only has to pay him 1.25 million of actual money. To offset the cap hit we take Braun back at 3.8 million and San Jose gets a promising winger in Johnsson in trade as sweetner. San Jose with Burns and Vlasic signing up on back end, have some young dmen coming up in the ranks to offset the Braun loss. Yes they still need to decide on players like Karlsson and Pavelski this off season. If San Jose wins cup this season it may be Thornton's last season.

Toronto gets bigger on the backend in these deals and balance out their pairings. They may not be the ideal trades for dmen but in the end they do upgrade our D moving forward from this past season.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Brown is going to get traded so he will not be in your lineup. Many players available in our system now that can replace Brown at half the price. Moore as your spare forward is ludicrous he will be Browns replacement. So that will be an extra 1.3 to spend on your lineup. What ever we do we need to move Marleau, if we cannot he needs to play 4th line minutes. He cannot be in top 9 forwards. Maybe with less minutes, he can be that ace in our sleeve later in the season with more jump to his step in the playoffs.

Liljegren will not be in starting lineup this coming season. He needs one more season in minors with Sandin to mold into a pairing for the following season when we will need them. I like the Hainsey signing as this allows some cover for Dermott to continue to grow. Reilly needs to be given a true RHD. This is a must.

So my lineup would be:

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Koroshov-Tavares-Marner
Mikheyev-Kadri-Kapanen
Marleau\Ennis\Petan-Engval/Gauthierl-Moore

Reilly - NEW DMAN (Larsson/Braun)
Muzzin - NEW DMAN (Larrson/Braun)
Dermott - Hainsey

Andersen
NEW BACKUP

My trades if possible:

Brown, Zaitsev to EDMONTON for Adam Larrson (RHD) 2 more seasons at 4.1 million

- Edmonton needs more wingers. Brown is cheap, has played successfully with McDavid in the past. Has already scored 20 goals in NHL playing on 3rd line. Zaitsev and Larrsson are a wash in my books. Both need a change in scenery. Larsson with either Reilly or Muzzin can become what he should have been. Zaitsev with Klefbom or Nurse. Good hockey trade. Edmonton gains a winger with history with their superstar. Leafs shed Brown contract cause we have replacement (Moore), plus we don't lose a RHD with moving Zaitsev but we lose years towards salary cap by trading him.

Marleau, Johnsson to SAN JOSE for Justin Braun (RHD) 1 more season at 3.8 million

- Marleau goes back home after July 1st bonus is paid by Leafs. San Jose only has to pay him 1.25 million of actual money. To offset the cap hit we take Braun back at 3.8 million and San Jose gets a promising winger in Johnsson in trade as sweetner. San Jose with Burns and Vlasic signing up on back end, have some young dmen coming up in the ranks to offset the Braun loss. Yes they still need to decide on players like Karlsson and Pavelski this off season. If San Jose wins cup this season it may be Thornton's last season.

Toronto gets bigger on the backend in these deals and balance out their pairings. They may not be the ideal trades for dmen but in the end they do upgrade our D moving forward from this past season.

1 we need some rhs forwards. There are 4 without brown.

2 Liljegren is definitely ready. He has nothing left to prove in the AHL.

 

[BlueForever75]

1 we need some rhs forwards. There are 4 without brown.

2 Liljegren is definitely ready. He has nothing left to prove in the AHL.

Koroshov and Mikheyev both played RW in the KHL as LH shots. So in my eyes they are flexible in where they play. Moore has shown the ability as well to play RW and LW with the Marlies and Leafs this past season. Kapanen plays RW as do Nylander and Marner. Hyman plays LW. Bracco is still in the pipeline of wingers as well. I don't believe your issue on wingers is there to be honest. Grossly exaggerated.

As for Liljegren, he has yet to have a full season with Marlies. He needs to toughen up and put on some muscle on his frame. Him staying with the Marlies has more to do with the development of Sandin then his. The two of them playing a full season once again with the Marlies only makes them both ready to come up together the following season. Rosen has done his time with the Marlies. He was an allstar and is the Marlies top dman right now. He should get the next opportunity with the big club. Llijegren and Sandin's time will come. No need to rush them.

 

[Dragao6]

1 we need some rhs forwards. There are 4 without brown.

2 Liljegren is definitely ready. He has nothing left to prove in the AHL.

Plus the much needed cheap ELC contract is a huge benefit to the leafs right now

 

[Legion34]

Brown is going to get traded so he will not be in your lineup. Many players available in our system now that can replace Brown at half the price. Moore as your spare forward is ludicrous he will be Browns replacement. So that will be an extra 1.3 to spend on your lineup. What ever we do we need to move Marleau, if we cannot he needs to play 4th line minutes. He cannot be in top 9 forwards. Maybe with less minutes, he can be that ace in our sleeve later in the season with more jump to his step in the playoffs.

Liljegren will not be in starting lineup this coming season. He needs one more season in minors with Sandin to mold into a pairing for the following season when we will need them. I like the Hainsey signing as this allows some cover for Dermott to continue to grow. Reilly needs to be given a true RHD. This is a must.

So my lineup would be:

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Koroshov-Tavares-Marner
Mikheyev-Kadri-Kapanen
Marleau\Ennis\Petan-Engval/Gauthierl-Moore

Reilly - NEW DMAN (Larsson/Braun)
Muzzin - NEW DMAN (Larrson/Braun)
Dermott - Hainsey

Andersen
NEW BACKUP

My trades if possible:

Brown, Zaitsev to EDMONTON for Adam Larrson (RHD) 2 more seasons at 4.1 million

- Edmonton needs more wingers. Brown is cheap, has played successfully with McDavid in the past. Has already scored 20 goals in NHL playing on 3rd line. Zaitsev and Larrsson are a wash in my books. Both need a change in scenery. Larsson with either Reilly or Muzzin can become what he should have been. Zaitsev with Klefbom or Nurse. Good hockey trade. Edmonton gains a winger with history with their superstar. Leafs shed Brown contract cause we have replacement (Moore), plus we don't lose a RHD with moving Zaitsev but we lose years towards salary cap by trading him.

Marleau, Johnsson to SAN JOSE for Justin Braun (RHD) 1 more season at 3.8 million

- Marleau goes back home after July 1st bonus is paid by Leafs. San Jose only has to pay him 1.25 million of actual money. To offset the cap hit we take Braun back at 3.8 million and San Jose gets a promising winger in Johnsson in trade as sweetner. San Jose with Burns and Vlasic signing up on back end, have some young dmen coming up in the ranks to offset the Braun loss. Yes they still need to decide on players like Karlsson and Pavelski this off season. If San Jose wins cup this season it may be Thornton's last season.

Toronto gets bigger on the backend in these deals and balance out their pairings. They may not be the ideal trades for dmen but in the end they do upgrade our D moving forward from this past season.

I agree and have considered much of these trades myself.
Bob McKenzie AGAIN talked about trading marleau..... but either way I’m sure the Keon Horton guy is going to come Here and tell you to stop posting about it.

Regardless.
I do think Marleau for Braun as a base could work.

I also think Z for Larson as a base could also work I had thought Larson would have more value and was thinking Larson and Kassian for Kap and Z

But I like yours better.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Koroshov and Mikheyev both played RW in the KHL as LH shots. So in my eyes they are flexible in where they play. Moore has shown the ability as well to play RW and LW with the Marlies and Leafs this past season. Kapanen plays RW as do Nylander and Marner. Hyman plays LW. Bracco is still in the pipeline of wingers as well. I don't believe your issue on wingers is there to be honest. Grossly exaggerated.

As for Liljegren, he has yet to have a full season with Marlies. He needs to toughen up and put on some muscle on his frame. Him staying with the Marlies has more to do with the development of Sandin then his. The two of them playing a full season once again with the Marlies only makes them both ready to come up together the following season. Rosen has done his time with the Marlies. He was an allstar and is the Marlies top dman right now. He should get the next opportunity with the big club. Llijegren and Sandin's time will come. No need to rush them.

They call all play both sides, but you still right hand shots to score too otherwise it's easy to defend against .

 

[dubplatepressure]

I agree and have considered much of these trades myself.
Bob McKenzie AGAIN talked about trading marleau..... but either way I’m sure the Keon Horton guy is going to come Here and tell you to stop posting about it.

Regardless.
I do think Marleau for Braun as a base could work.

I also think Z for Larson as a base could also work I had thought Larson would have more value and was thinking Larson and Kassian for Kap and Z

But I like yours better.

Change Kapanen to Brown and I'm all for it.

 

[phillipmike]

Main trade forum had some Avs fans unopposed to Kerfoot + 16 for Kadri. I would be okay with that, cheaper 3C and 16th is nice to help stock the cupboards.

Thats a very easier trade for the Leafs to make. Although Kadri comes with a long track record Kerfoot was better than him this past season.

Kerfoot is 4 years young, good on draws, still has potential, advanced stats arent bad, save money, plays LW too, and you can control him longer. Maybe you can sign him to a 4-5 year deal at 4M or less. Plus you get a great pick... Its an easy yes and im in the boat of keeping Kadri.

 

[Dreakmur]

Change Kapanen to Brown and I'm all for it.

Change them and you don't get a good return...

 

[TML1967]

Thats a very easier trade for the Leafs to make. Although Kadri comes with a long track record Kerfoot was better than him this past season.

Kerfoot is 4 years young, good on draws, still has potential, advanced stats arent bad, save money, plays LW too, and you can control him longer. Maybe you can sign him to a 4-5 year deal at 4M or less. Plus you get a great pick... Its an easy yes and im in the boat of keeping Kadri.

I like EvolvingWild's system, was pretty accurate last year.
(EvolvingWild (@EvolvingWild) | Twitter) <- pinned tweet.
Projected term is 2 years @ 2.876m
3 years @ 3.377
I think 4 years walks him to being a UFA.
Id be 100% fine with either that 2 or 3 year deal.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Was on the Aves forum and they would do 16th overall, Meloche, and a 3rd for Kadri and Marleau (if he was willing to waive).

We would clear $11M in cap space and gain a great asset, a RHD and another pick.

Could run Petan as the 3C until the deadline, give Engvall a shot, or sign a replacement for Kadri on a short term, 1 or 2 year deal.

 

[Dreakmur]

As some others have suggested, I think the best targets are players who are on teams that missed the play-offs and have new GMs. The two biggest ones I see are Philadelphia and Edmonton.

Philadelphia needs a #2 center, so Nazem Kadri would be appealing for them. What do they have that might be available?
Scott Laughton - RFA - a better fit for a 3rd line center role
Ryan Hartman - RFA - the kind of aggressive middle-6 winger we need
Radko Gudas - 1 year @ 3,500,000 - physical right-handed defenseman

What else could be available, but would need more return than just Kadri?
Travis Konecny - RFA - the kind of aggressive top-6 winger we need
Travis Sanheim - RFA - good puck-moving defenseman

Edmonton needs a right winger for Connor McDavid, so both Kasperi Kapanen and Connor Brown could be a fit.
Adam Larsson - 2 years @ 4,166,666 - steady defensive right-handed defenseman
Zach Kassian - 1 year @ 1,950,000 - physical bottom-6 winger
Jujhar Khairo - RFA - physical bottom-6 winger

 

[Juxtaposer]

I’m sure in your heart of hearts you guys know this, but the Sharks are not taking Marleau back under any reasonable circumstance. It’s not happening, stop using us to make your cap work. We have less than no need for Marleau and almost as many cap questions as you guys. We’re not taking him for a 7th round pick and we’re not taking him for Braun. End of story.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Thats a very easier trade for the Leafs to make. Although Kadri comes with a long track record Kerfoot was better than him this past season.

Kerfoot is 4 years young, good on draws, still has potential, advanced stats arent bad, save money, plays LW too, and you can control him longer. Maybe you can sign him to a 4-5 year deal at 4M or less. Plus you get a great pick... Its an easy yes and im in the boat of keeping Kadri.

Kadri had a brutal shooting % this year and was given scraps as linemates. Kerfoot does all the things you said though. Maybe a 3-4 year deal at 3.5-3.75M if you're lucky?

I’m sure in your heart of hearts you guys know this, but the Sharks are not taking Marleau back under any reasonable circumstance. It’s not happening, stop using us to make your cap work. We have less than no need for Marleau and almost as many cap questions as you guys. We’re not taking him for a 7th round pick and we’re not taking him for Braun. End of story.

Count me amongst those that never saw it as a viable fit, even if Karlsson never came back, it is tight whenever I played with SJS cap on CapFriendly. I mean maybe if there was some buy out scenario and he came back to the Sharks on a1 year 800-1.2M type deal but that is about the only way it fits.

 

[Kiwi]

I just had a look at the Spurgeon thread on the main boards

Holy ****, and people say we overrate our players

If they can get a Nylander level player back for a guy with one year left on his contract I wish them the best of luck

God damn

 

[Jozay]

I just had a look at the Spurgeon thread on the main boards

Holy ****, and people say we overrate our players

If they can get a Nylander level player back for a guy with one year left on his contract I wish them the best of luck

God damn

Lmao, Wild fans are always way off base.

 

[rumman]

Lmao, Wild fans are always way off base.

Spurgeon's too small, and the Leafs don't need more offensive D men, they need D men that can prevent goals.

 

[Menzinger]

I just had a look at the Spurgeon thread on the main boards

Holy ****, and people say we overrate our players

If they can get a Nylander level player back for a guy with one year left on his contract I wish them the best of luck

God damn

That thread is mostly a joke.

Wild fans are in for a fairly rude awakening of they trade him. Particularly given Fentons subpar trade record so far

 

[Kiwi]

That thread is mostly a joke.

Wild fans are in for a fairly rude awakening of theybtrade him. Particularly given Fentons subpar trade record so far

He's a good player and I'd love to have him but his contract situation has to depress his value

The Nylander 1 for 1 stuff was just mind numbing, if you could get a Kapanen/Johnsson type return for him i think your winning with 1 year left on his contract

 

[Menzinger]

He's a good player and I'd love to have him but his contract situation has to depress his value

The Nylander 1 for 1 stuff was just mind numbing, if you could get a Kapanen/Johnsson type return for him i think your winning with 1 year left on his contract

Oh I think hed be a great fit for the Leafs, but hes going to probably return a bit less than Muzzin did given that contract status

 

[Kiwi]

Oh I think hed be a great fit for the Leafs, but hes going to probably return a bit less than Muzzin did given that contract status

The Muzzin deal was a 1st and a couple of prospects, I think that was a pretty fair trade

That didn't include a Kapanen/Johnsson type young roster player or anything close to Nylander

I just don't understand where they were getting there valuations from, how are they in any way realistic?

 

[Gabriel426]

You know what will be a good trade for both teams. Chicago 3rd overall possibly Bowen Byram for Kadri.