Value of: Forward Prospects from Toronto for D/G prospects from other teams.

[Tripod]

Philly has some goaltenders:

Stolarz: AHL All Star this year
Lyon: top FA college goalie this summer
Hart: CHL goalie of the year
Sandstrom: split SHL starter...youngest in the league...made WJC
Madsen: 1st year as college starter 2.00GAA, .931 SV% 18-7-3
Fedotov: 2.22GAA, .910 SV% 18-5-4
Tomek: 3rd rounder in 2015 but missed all season with injury

For fun, have at it.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Philly has some goaltenders:

Stolarz: AHL All Star this year
Lyon: top FA college goalie this summer
Hart: CHL goalie of the year
Sandstrom: split SHL starter...youngest in the league...made WJC
Madsen: 1st year as college starter 2.00GAA, .931 SV% 18-7-3
Fedotov: 2.22GAA, .910 SV% 18-5-4
Tomek: 3rd rounder in 2015 but missed all season with injury

For fun, have at it.

are any of stolarz/lyon ready for 20-25 games of NHL action?

 

[Tripod]

are any of stolarz/lyon ready for 20-25 games of NHL action?

This was Stolarz 1st year as an AHL starter. Getting more experience there is best for him.
Lyon...who knows. He played in college and making he jump right to NHL is likely not he best move either.

Flyers fans expect them to split duties thru the year with the better one getting more starts. Then in 2017, the best one becoming the backup to Mason if re-signed.

 

[Benttheknee]

More than likely. I could Kapanen

The main point is Timashov>>>>>Harpur

What do you know about Harpur?

 

[WhatWhat]

well Chabot is in the same tier as Dermott and Neilsson, Timashov is also in that same tier in the Leaf prospect group. Just because the Sens have a weaker pool and Chabot slots in higher than Timashov does not mean the notoin of Timashov for Chabot is silly. I would rather trade Kap over Timashov.

Neutral fan saying I would take Chabot over all of those guys

 

[howkie]

well Chabot is in the same tier as Dermott and Neilsson, Timashov is also in that same tier in the Leaf prospect group. Just because the Sens have a weaker pool and Chabot slots in higher than Timashov does not mean the notoin of Timashov for Chabot is silly. I would rather trade Kap over Timashov.

Dude really, leafs have nothing besides the big 3 in propsect way that would entertain Ottawa trade Chabot.

Stop overrate your prospects. I mean Timashov is nothing special really, he has a slight chance of making it.....

 

[Cotton]

Toronto's prospect pool is deep not because they are great, but because there are a lot. After the big three it looks like every other team's 4-15 group, but TO's groups is 20 deep.

It's deep because it's deep in quality prospects. Every organization has a large pool, what separates some from others is the quality of the pool. Removing our A prospects doesn't change that we are still flush with more B prospects than most, and that there are worthwhile deals that could be made.

Not every deal needs to involve blue-chippers.

The OP removed all of the quality assets so how can you expect to get quality back? If you are offering up a guy like Nylander, then a guy like Provorov might be reasonable.

He didn't remove all the quality, he removed the three A prospects.

 

[howkie]

It's deep because it's deep in quality prospects. Every organization has a large pool, what separates some from others is the quality of the pool. Removing our A prospects doesn't change that we are still flush with more B prospects than most, and that there are worthwhile deals that could be made.

Not every deal needs to involve blue-chippers.






He didn't remove all the quality, he removed the three A prospects.

So what team will trade their quality D-prospects for what you have left? Besides Ducks, rest of NHl needs to hoard more d-prospects, so if you want any, you gotta overpay..

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Dermott was voted best D in the O.

I don't think so...

 

[StevenDean]

Unless the Leafs are planning to move an exposable forward to waivers or expansion for a younger D/G prospect who has a higher ceiling and is except to expansion there is no need to play this risky game unless a huge opportunity presents itself.

Why risk turning Kapanen into a D prospect to see us lose him like Percy while watching Kapanen turn into a top 6 forward?

Now if we can move a potential top 9 forward like Leivo or Brown who are in a sink or swim situation for an unproven potential top 4 defender then sure we take a chance to get the better player and free up a contract slot for another player to take. But I wouldn't bother with anything else right now unless we are getting grossly overpaid (Harrington for Rychel).

 

[Babcocks Marner]

Sure, but Brown and Kapanen aren't going to return a high end D either.

In all honesty... I think we are set, long into the future with second and third pairing D guys... we need a first pairing RHD... and Brown and Kapanen are not going to return that.

How about some patience, and see what Zaistev and Carrick turn out on the Right side? How about we see what this season holds, and whom we might draft next year. Maybe we get lucky again, and have the opportunity to draft Liljegren.

We can wait a year on all of these guys, see how they play in the Juniors or AHL. and better learn who we have to flip? Plus, if they aren't in the plans, we are probably better off trading for more future picks.

This. All this.

When Bracco is voted your 17th "best" prospect by fans, you have a very deep group. The problem is clear.... regardless how good they are, they can't all play on the Leafs. I am sure a guy like Bracco would have huge interest if put on the block, but in order to get a good return, NHL experience is a must, unless you are a top 5 pick.

 

[Black Noise]

Dermott was voted best D in the O.

http://ontariohockeyleague.com/article/mikhail-sergachev-named-ohl-defenceman-of-the-year

 

[Hally BlackWood]

I don't think so...

best offensive dman

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2...ohl-coaches-poll-travis-dermott-jeremy-bracco

 

[Benttheknee]

It's deep because it's deep in quality prospects. Every organization has a large pool, what separates some from others is the quality of the pool. Removing our A prospects doesn't change that we are still flush with more B prospects than most, and that there are worthwhile deals that could be made.

Not every deal needs to involve blue-chippers.






He didn't remove all the quality, he removed the three A prospects.

The OP said

"Untouchables:
Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Brown
Kapanen (in most scenarios)"

What kind of prospect do you think you can get? You want Chabot and want to give Timashov.

As for you prospects, look back after 5 years. Remember when Biggs, Percy, Finn, McKegg and Ross were all the rage? Now you have 2x as many similar prospects.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

best offensive dman

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2...ohl-coaches-poll-travis-dermott-jeremy-bracco

He wrote "Best D", not "Best Offensive D".

And in that poll, he was voted "best" for one conference, not the entire league.

 

[Leafs87]

Leivo, timashov, and soshnikov should be off bounds based on readyness and potential

I kind like the Pokka swap for one of our forwards.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Chabot is much better than Dermott and Nielsen....

no I don't think that the case. Dermott was only a few votes off of best D-Man in the O and won best offensive D man in the O.

 

[Fogelhund]

McDermott was voted SECOND best D man in the OHL. Still not too shabby.

http://ontariohockeyleague.com/article/mikhail-sergachev-named-ohl-defenceman-of-the-year

Sergachev received 52 points in the voting process ahead of Toronto Maple Leafs prospect Travis Dermott of the Erie Otters who finished second with 48 voting points, and Carolina Hurricanes prospect Roland McKeown of the Kingston Frontenacs who finished in third place with 28 voting points.

 

[Fogelhund]

no I don't think that the case. Dermott was only a few votes off of best D-Man in the O and won best offensive D man in the O.

Best offensive D man in the Western Conference of the O.

http://ontariohockeyleague.com/article/ohl-announces-2015-16-coaches-poll-winners

 

[StephenPeat]

Leivo, timashov, and soshnikov should be off bounds based on readyness and potential

I kind like the Pokka swap for one of our forwards.

Sure those players will be off bounds (thread title changed to Absolute Garbage from Toronto for D/G prospects from other teams). What type of player, exactly, do you think you can acquire if the already shoddy premise of the OP is amended as you suggest?

 

[Atomos2]

Wedgewood or Kinkaid for Bracco.

Done.

 

[BodaciousBeefBazooka]

Brown and kapanen aren't untouchables at all. The power trio of Matthews, Nylander and Marner are the only untouchable forward prospects.

 

[BayStreetBully]

This. All this.

When Bracco is voted your 17th "best" prospect by fans, you have a very deep group. The problem is clear.... regardless how good they are, they can't all play on the Leafs. I am sure a guy like Bracco would have huge interest if put on the block, but in order to get a good return, NHL experience is a must, unless you are a top 5 pick.

That is correct. Do I think Dermott or Bracco could turn into a decent NHLer? Yes. Do I think they are special compared to their equivalents on other teams? No. They could get good returns if they lived up to their potential and proved themselves in the NHL, at least for a year or two. But at that point, would you even want to trade them, unless you get something really special back?

Matthews, Marner and Nylander get the benefit of the doubt for being top picks and having done everything right thus far. Problem is, we want to keep them. Every other prospect that could be expendable still needs to prove themselves to create trade value.

 

[Cotton]

The OP said

"Untouchables:
Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Brown
Kapanen (in most scenarios)"

What kind of prospect do you think you can get? You want Chabot and want to give Timashov.

As for you prospects, look back after 5 years. Remember when Biggs, Percy, Finn, McKegg and Ross were all the rage? Now you have 2x as many similar prospects.

What kind of prospect do I think we can get? Hopefully one that will help the team. It doesn't have to be a Provorov to do that, nor Chabot, who is worth more than Timashov but is still only a B prospect who's not much better than Dermott. I also would have any of our prospects as untouchable beyond Matthews.

When I look back 5 years I see a bad prospect pool that was rated as such. I see a different management group and (mostly) different scouts who had a different drafting philosophy than the one we currently have.

Following the thread guidelines i'd ask about Victor Mete and Phoenix Copely.

 

[Roboturner913]

I'm obviously not in charge or anything, but I'd give you your choice of Roland McKeown or Trevor Carrick + 2nd rounder for Kapanen. Or maybe even a Brett Pesce, but then the + migrates to your side of the equation.