Value of: Forward Prospects from Toronto for D/G prospects from other teams.

[Unbiased]

Lol people act like non blue chip prospects (not Brown or Kapanen) are just automatically untradable garbage, yet we see prospects get moved all the time for other prospects

 

[GTA]

He meant (or should've meant) Chabot.

Chabot is an actual top prospect though.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

Lol people act like non blue chip prospects (not Brown or Kapanen) are just automatically untradable garbage, yet we see prospects get moved all the time for other prospects

no one said that - but every organization has 'decent' prospects in each area. so why make a thread where half the posters wont know half the names going around

its obvious the OP thought he could get a good prospect by combining 'decent' ones

 

[WhatWhat]

Lol people act like non blue chip prospects (not Brown or Kapanen) are just automatically untradable garbage, yet we see prospects get moved all the time for other prospects

People aren't saying they ate untradable, just that if you take all good assets off the table then be prepared to get nothing good back. Also once you get out of the Marner amd Nylander category everyone has a handful of guys in the same range and swapping them just because seems pointless

 

[Henchmen 21]

You've basically just described exactly the same scenario the OP has laid out.

I just re-read it a couple times, It calls for trading away prospects for other prospects at other positions of need, talking about how toronto doesn't want to end up like edmonton, I don't see a wait and see approach which is what I described.

 

[Srsly]

Brown is a local kid with the best work ethic of any Toronto prospect. He's excelled at every level and exceeded expectations everytime he's presented with a challenge. I'd prefer not to move him unless it's a dramatic overpayment and I don't expect anyone to part with the assets I'd want so it would be better to keep him.

Anyway, I'd rather see what we have in Woll before acquiring another goalie prospect. As for defensemen I'd be fine with moving Kapanen for a defensemen with similar upside.

 

[Fogelhund]

Some people in HFBoards kill me. Read the whole post before trying to jump down my throat lmao.

The challenge with your proposal, is that any returns on D that we might receive, we already have a lot of those types of guys anyway. Swapping out our abundance of forwards, for any area we have an abundance of already, doesn't help. If we have players that don't look like they fit, trade them for picks. Our main need is a top pairing RHD at some point, and this isn't going to help. Develop these guys fully... and what shall be, shall be.

 

[Henchmen 21]

People aren't saying they ate untradable, just that if you take all good assets off the table then be prepared to get nothing good back. Also once you get out of the Marner amd Nylander category everyone has a handful of guys in the same range and swapping them just because seems pointless

This is essentially the point I was making, I'd rather have all these prospects pit fighting each other for spots on the Leafs and Marlies, I want players sent back overseas because they couldn't cut it. Edmonton failed the 2010 rebuild because of lack of internal competition, every guy they drafted 1st was like, OK here's our #1 LW, and here's our #1 RW, and so on.
Yes Matthews and Marner are viewed as more or less that in toronto, but we're keeping in mind that top prospects bust too, and having a couple Brown's, Leipsic's, Kapanen's, and Johnson's chomping at the bit will mitigate the fallout of our top guys not living up to expectations

 

[Benttheknee]

Toronto's prospect pool is deep in talent, but let's pretend you knew that for a second.

Toronto's prospect pool is deep not because they are great, but because there are a lot. After the big three it looks like every other team's 4-15 group, but TO's groups is 20 deep.

Let's say every one of are prospects is available... So what quality assets are you offering?

The OP removed all of the quality assets so how can you expect to get quality back? If you are offering up a guy like Nylander, then a guy like Provorov might be reasonable.

 

[Benttheknee]

He meant (or should've meant) Chabot.

For Timashov?

 

[Gecklund]

What would you give up for Mirco Mueller?

 

[Henchmen 21]

Toronto's prospect pool is deep not because they are great, but because there are a lot. After the big three it looks like every other team's 4-15 group, but TO's groups is 20 deep.



The OP removed all of the quality assets so how can you expect to get quality back? If you are offering up a guy like Nylander, then a guy like Provorov might be reasonable.

In all honesty, I could see this trade coming to fruition sometime over the next two years. I would love it and hate it, it would be a great source of debate on these boards

 

[untouchable21]

Glover for Grundstrom.

Not that Winnipeg needs more wingers, but I really like Grundstrom's game.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

I don't see why brown or kapanen are untouchable in a deal for a defensive prospect, all of the other leaf prospects won't return anything resembling a high end D. Leafs have enough B level defensive prospects

 

[Edgelord]

For Timashov?

well Chabot is in the same tier as Dermott and Neilsson, Timashov is also in that same tier in the Leaf prospect group. Just because the Sens have a weaker pool and Chabot slots in higher than Timashov does not mean the notoin of Timashov for Chabot is silly. I would rather trade Kap over Timashov.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

well Chabot is in the same tier as Dermott and Neilsson, Timashov is also in that same tier in the Leaf prospect group. Just because the Sens have a weaker pool and Chabot slots in higher than Timashov does not mean the notoin of Timashov for Chabot is silly. I would rather trade Kap over Timashov.

Chabot is a higher value prospect than Timashov

 

[Dabest]

well Chabot is in the same tier as Dermott and Neilsson, Timashov is also in that same tier in the Leaf prospect group. Just because the Sens have a weaker pool and Chabot slots in higher than Timashov does not mean the notoin of Timashov for Chabot is silly. I would rather trade Kap over Timashov.

Chabot is much better than Dermott and Nielsen....

 

[turkulad]

well Chabot is in the same tier as Dermott and Neilsson, Timashov is also in that same tier in the Leaf prospect group. Just because the Sens have a weaker pool and Chabot slots in higher than Timashov does not mean the notoin of Timashov for Chabot is silly. I would rather trade Kap over Timashov.

Neutral fan calling you out. Chabot is above those guys.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Chabot is much better than Dermott and Nielsen....

Wasn't the top Dman is his league, nor did he lead his league is scoring as a dman.
The Leafs prospects did.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Neutral fan calling you out. Chabot is above those guys.

Play of last year vs. them states differently.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Chabot is a higher value prospect than Timashov

More than likely. I could Kapanen

The main point is Timashov>>>>>Harpur

 

[Dabest]

Wasn't the top Dman is his league, nor did he lead his league is scoring as a dman.
The Leafs prospects did.

What Leaf prospect was the best D man in his league? Quite curious..

And I dont think the Leafs have Ivan Provorov

 

[Pyrophorus]

What Leaf prospect was the best D man in his league? Quite curious..

And I dont think the Leafs have Ivan Provorov

Dermott was voted best D in the O.

 

[Fogelhund]

I don't see why brown or kapanen are untouchable in a deal for a defensive prospect, all of the other leaf prospects won't return anything resembling a high end D. Leafs have enough B level defensive prospects

Sure, but Brown and Kapanen aren't going to return a high end D either.

In all honesty... I think we are set, long into the future with second and third pairing D guys... we need a first pairing RHD... and Brown and Kapanen are not going to return that.

How about some patience, and see what Zaistev and Carrick turn out on the Right side? How about we see what this season holds, and whom we might draft next year. Maybe we get lucky again, and have the opportunity to draft Liljegren.

We can wait a year on all of these guys, see how they play in the Juniors or AHL. and better learn who we have to flip? Plus, if they aren't in the plans, we are probably better off trading for more future picks.

 

[Dabest]

Wasn't the top Dman is his league, nor did he lead his league is scoring as a dman.
The Leafs prospects did.

Dermott was voted best D in the O.

It was Sergachev.....