Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[JojoTheWhale]

They all knew the Flyers had no choice.
There are zero rumors of great deals that were turned down.

"The Philadelphia Flyers reportedly offered the Habs a trade that involved Gauthier in exchange for the fifth overall pick at the 2023 NHL Entry ..."

According to the journalist's information, the CH saw Gauthier as a 5th overall pick from a weak draft while MTL held the 5th pick of a draft they considered strong. Thus, the offer was not sufficient in Hughes' eyes.» It was also learned that the Flyers would have also drafted David Reinbacher with this 5th overall pick. [note, Briere knew Arizona would not take Michkov b/c he made it clear he would not sign with them] In short, the general manager of the Montreal Canadiens seems to have made an excellent decision, especially now that we know Gauthier did not want to play for a Canadian team.

[Flyers would have had to sweeten the deal, but the impression was the Habs simply didn't want him so Flyers would have had to overpay to make that deal]

"Scott Hartnell said a lot of the teams that were on Cutter Gauthier’s trade list, declined offers because of the way he went about the whole situation and his attitude towards the Flyers."

"Michael Russo and Joe Smith of The Athletic ($) did their end-of-season Minnesota Wild mailbag, and one reader asked them the chances that Marco Rossi gets traded. As part of their response, Russo and Smith divulged that the Wild were after Gauthier in a prospective Flyers trade before he was shipped to Anaheim."

[two points, timing mattered, b/c if it was Rossi, he had a horrible start as an undersized center, 1 point in 19g in 2022-23. Flyers were offering Gauthier that summer. However, by the Drysdale trade he had 22 points in 35g by Jan 1. So did the Flyers turn Minn down in the summer and/or Minn turn the Flyers down in January? Rossi is listed at 5'9 182]


I don't see any great deal on the table that Briere turned down.
The lack of trade rumors suggests few teams were seriously interested.
Since no one would have made a deal without confirming with Gauthier that he'd come there, he could veto any trade he had second thoughts about, which would have discouraged offers.

If he waits until the 2024 draft, Gauthier is only 2 years from being a UFA, so teams would have been more wary of trading for him. So it's doubtful his value increases by waiting.

Flyers would have received the #37 pick if they let him walk in two years, so Briere probably set that as the floor, in effect Anaheim's 2nd.

So to review, the Laughton rumor with specifics mentioned by a credible reporter IS NOT proof.

The absence of rumors about offers IS proof.

I need a drink.

 

[kudymen]

Oh well, what can I say.

If getting top16 and making playoffs in a 32 team league is a significant and difficult feat, then having a list of only 20 teams where you can trade truly is a difficult spot to be put into as well.

Rather hilarious that someone might feel that way, but hey. Probably that darn participation trophy generation, eh?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Please remember that the Flyers always handle every situation as best as it can be handled, and the proof is in the results on ice.

 

[deadhead]

I do remember the Flyers story was they told teams to stay quiet to be fair to Gauthier. It was praised by the local media as a front office masterclass. Now, it means no one was interested (18-20 teams!!!!) in one of the more valuable ELCs in the league? And your evidence is….?

Word for the wise: watching CHL games is less of a waste of time than this.

If there were real offers on the table, odds are they'd eventually leak out.

Every team has reporters with inside sources that eventually break these stories, especially after a high profile trade like this one.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If there were real offers on the table, odds are they'd eventually leak out.

Every team has reporters with inside sources that eventually break these stories, especially after a high profile trade like this one.

So to review (my apparent new catchphrase):

There was only one real offer on the table for a highly-regarded prospect with an entire ELC still to come.

Rasmus Ristolainen had multiple offers of a 1st round pick+ on the table as a Rental. I think Dreger said 4 of them? Something like that.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Or the Flyers only bothered talking to the one team that had the one player their one advisor was still super thrilled about.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Or the Flyers only bothered talking to the one team that had the one player their one advisor was still super thrilled about.

I think the simple solution is that they just valued Drysdale that much.

Which is still bad. Very, very bad!

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I think the simple solution is that they just valued Drysdale that much.

Which is still bad. Very, very bad!

There has been though. Byram (I think one of the national writers brought up) & Rossi from Charlie were two names after the fact mentioned as pieces that discussed.

 

[deadhead]

So to review (my apparent new catchphrase):

There was only one real offer on the table for a highly-regarded prospect with an entire ELC still to come.

Rasmus Ristolainen had multiple offers of a 1st round pick+ on the table as a Rental. I think Dreger said 4 of them? Something like that.

How did we know there were multiple offers for Risto?

If there were attractive offers on the table, you don't think Friedman or someone like him would have written a piece on it?

I think Hartnell had it right, a number of teams probably kicked the tires but were reluctant to make serious offers for a LW with some questions. Figured it wasn't worth the potential risk. Since Gauthier could veto any deal, a team both had to work out a deal with the Flyers, and confirm that Gauthier wanted to go there (in case he had second thoughts).

I'm sure Anaheim talked to his people before making the deal. If the Montreal GM saw it as a weak draft, others may have also valued Gauthier more like a #10 and wanted a discount on top of that.

This obsession with PR is silly, given the public commitment to rebuilding, the FO has created a long run way, so they're not as focused on PR as past FOs. I think Drysdale wasn't the return b/c he was #6, after three years, his value was probably seen more as a high 2nd rd pick. So two high 2nds are equivalent to pick #20-25. Obviously a loss even if Gauthier was seen as more of a #10 in a stronger draft.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

There has been though. Byram (I think one of the national writers brought up) & Rossi from Charlie were two names after the fact mentioned as pieces that discussed.

There just isn't any good news anywhere, is there?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

There just isn't any good news anywhere, is there?

I think the Flyers clearly wanted a youngish NHL player but even with those three names you can see even as bad as NHL front offices collectively might be they still don’t really trade young NHL players that are trending up.

I do laugh though I think it’s pretty clear Colorado was trying to eject from Byram while he still had some good value. His on ice analytics have plummeted since he’s been in the NHL (perhaps his concussion issues play some part). I think even if he does get back on track some at this point. Time has probably passed where you’re talking a true top of the lineup type of impact player.

But even as a team with championship aspirations they were still potentially willing to trade for a player on ELC & wouldn’t be available to them until the spring at the earliest.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

How did we know there were multiple offers for Risto?

If there were attractive offers on the table, you don't think Friedman or someone like him would have written a piece on it?

I think Hartnell had it right, a number of teams probably kicked the tires but were reluctant to make serious offers for a LW with some questions. Figured it wasn't worth the potential risk. Since Gauthier could veto any deal, a team both had to work out a deal with the Flyers, and confirm that Gauthier wanted to go there (in case he had second thoughts).

I'm sure Anaheim talked to his people before making the deal. If the Montreal GM saw it as a weak draft, others may have also valued Gauthier more like a #10 and wanted a discount on top of that.

This obsession with PR is silly, given the public commitment to rebuilding, the FO has created a long run way, so they're not as focused on PR as past FOs. I think Drysdale wasn't the return b/c he was #6, after three years, his value was probably seen more as a high 2nd rd pick. So two high 2nds are equivalent to pick #20-25. Obviously a loss even if Gauthier was seen as more of a #10 in a stronger draft.

Yeah, cause Hartnell is tuned in with other organizations internal management.

 

[deadhead]

Colorado stole Buffalo blind, getting Middlestadt for Byram.

Byram might be as bad as Drysdale, xGFrel -5.54, -5.90 and -14.59 so far this year.
It's one thing to be the 5th or 6th D-man in Colorado, but when you're one of the worst in Buffalo . . .
He can score for both teams.