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Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

JojoTheWhale said:
Everyone knows answering a question with a question is rude.

For the record, there are multiple non-lottery picks I don’t even have to think about preferring to Drysdale + future 2 on Draft Day 2024. And yes, I thought so at the time.
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Takes two to tango, it's not what you'd prefer, it's what they could actually obtain.

The only names I've heard are Rossi in the summer (after 1 point in 19 games in his rookie cameo) and Byram. I've heard of no team offering a 1st rd pick, just Briere making an offer for Montreal's #5 (probably with a sweetener that hasn't been detailed).

Is Gauthier worth more than Drysdale and a high 2nd? All thing held equal, yes.

But things weren't equal, teams knew the Flyers needed to move Gauthier at some point, and were also wary of him (just b/c you were on the list didn't mean you could trust him to report, if he held up the Flyers, he could change his mind on you). So a substantial discount was almost certain.
 
deadhead said:
Takes two to tango, it's not what you'd prefer, it's what they could actually obtain.

The only names I've heard are Rossi in the summer (after 1 point in 19 games in his rookie cameo) and Byram. I've heard of no team offering a 1st rd pick, just Briere making an offer for Montreal's #5 (probably with a sweetener that hasn't been detailed).

Is Gauthier worth more than Drysdale and a high 2nd? All thing held equal, yes.

But things weren't equal, teams knew the Flyers needed to move Gauthier at some point, and were also wary of him (just b/c you were on the list didn't mean you could trust him to report, if he held up the Flyers, he could change his mind on you). So a substantial discount was almost certain.
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No one is talking about NHL players here. That’s not a requirement.

McGroarty just returned the 14th pick in the previous draft who had an excellent D+1. Gauthier was clearly a more highly regarded prospect.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
No one is talking about NHL players here. That’s not a requirement.

McGroarty just returned the 14th pick in the previous draft who had an excellent D+1. Gauthier was clearly a more highly regarded prospect.
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McGroaty is considered the better player.

Nor was Drysdale considered "chopped liver" when the trade was made:

Wheeler: Drysdale can certainly help in the short, medium and long term though. With his mobility and head for the game, he’s going to be an impact guy if he can stay healthy. Make good on that second-rounder and there’s an outcome in which Flyers fans feel good about this all things considered, even if Gauthier becomes an important piece with the Ducks.

This is what Wheeler said before the draft:

It feels unjust to have Drysdale, who is better than last year’s top defenseman (Bowen Byram, fourth overall in 2019 to the Avalanche) at the same age, ranked eighth here. He’s the best defenseman in the draft by a wide margin and that will mean that he (rightfully so) gets picked higher than this. I wouldn’t fault a team for taking him at No. 3. He’s that good. Drysdale is one of the smoothest-skating draft-eligible defensemen in recent memory (right up there with Quinn Hughes), with light, almost-floating edge work and perfect balance through his core when he’s on his toes or his heals, moving in any direction. He will make a great skating coach when his career is over — and he’ll be a model for others in the meantime. He’s also extremely poised with the puck on his stick, which helps him evade pressure, create exits and entries with his feet, or attack off of the blue line to use his dangerous wrist shot (his slapshot could use some work and some more strength). Because of his four-way mobility, he’s also an excellent rush defender who can play tight gaps and rarely gets beat in motion. He also reads the play quickly with and without the puck, which helps with his defensive reads and his passing (both on stretch passes and through seams in the offensive zone). He might lack the length and power we see in most No. 1 defensemen but I wouldn’t rule that out for his upside.

Drysdale had a lot of injury issues and was definitely rushed to the NHL.
Sometimes a player is damaged goods, sometimes he just needs a change of scenery.
We'll know if this was a good move by April, as frustrating as Drysdale is right now, it's obvious he's was poorly handled by Anaheim.
And yes, Shaw is a damn good coach, Risto, Seeler, York, Sanheim, all have improved substantially.
 
deadhead said:
McGroaty is considered the better player.
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You said this two weeks ago:

deadhead said:
To be fair, in retrospect, looking like a thin draft, D+3 only a few players have played until this season.
#1 Slavkovsky 125g
#2 Nemec 66g
#3 Cooley 87g
#4 Wright 20g
#5 Gauthier 4g
#6 Jiricek 47g
#7 Korchinski 76g
#8 Kasper 1g
#9 Savoie 1g
#10 Mintyukov 66g
#11 Geekie 2g
#12 Mateychuk
#13 Nazar 3g
#14 McGroarty 3g
#54 Piotras 54g

I'd say Mintyukov looks like the best player after #5, Korchinksi, Jiricek and not much else.
Of course, this may change the next couple years, but odds are none will be close to elite.
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October 17th, 2024. :laugh:

Post in thread 'Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick'
Confirmed with Link: - Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
This is the biggest load of bullshit you’ve ever said.

You said this two weeks ago:



October 17th, 2024. :laugh:

Post in thread 'Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick'
Confirmed with Link: - Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick
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Pittsburgh is trying to win now, McGroaty is already in the NHL, maybe they valued him higher for that reason? Or they just thought he was better.

However, no one has yet to point to ANY rumor of a better or even equivalent offer for Gauthier.
Maybe there was, maybe teams had scuttlebutt that made them wary of Gauthier.
I haven't claimed Drysdale + 2nd is equivalent to Gauthier, rather, that there is no evidence that a better offer was rejected.
And it is unlikely that waiting would have resulted in a better offer, after 8 months, and mounting evidence that Gauthier wasn't a center, why would anyone change their mind?

It's not like Magua thought he was better two years after he was drafted.
 
Beef Invictus said:
We can also observe that Briere seems to bleed value at a nearly Fletcherian rate, so we can safely assume he didn't extract proper value here either.
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Really? Like getting a 1st and (2) 2nds and Walker for Provorov and a salary dump (Peterson)?
Or a 1st for Walker (rental) and a salary dump (Johansen)
Compare to the 1st the Rangers got for Skjei.

Exactly where has Briere bleed value?
 
deadhead said:
Really? Like getting a 1st and (2) 2nds and Walker for Provorov and a salary dump (Peterson)?
Or a 1st for Walker (rental) and a salary dump (Johansen)
Compare to the 1st the Rangers got for Skjei.

Exactly where has Briere bleed value?
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Yes, we have already discussed how he got poor value for taking Petersen, poor value for taking back the salary dump with Walker, no value for Laughton who peaked, and a straight loss trading for EJ for no reason.

Oh, he also traded a highly touted prospect for Drysdale, another straight up loss at the time given his valuations.


Just like happened with Fletcher, I look forward to you insisting that Briere never loses value while the quality of the asset pool constantly decreases due to his moves.
 
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Yes, we have already discussed how he got poor value for taking Petersen, poor value for taking back the salary dump with Walker, no value for Laughton who peaked, and a straight loss trading for EJ for no reason.

Oh, he also traded a highly touted prospect for Drysdale, another straight up loss at the time given his valuations.


Just like happened with Fletcher, I look forward to you insisting that Briere never loses value while the quality of the asset pool constantly decreases due to his moves.
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Show me examples of returns for salary dumps over the last season, not 2-3 years ago when teams were cap constrained?

Dumping Laine cost CBJ a 2nd rd pick, but he has a $8.7Mx2 cap hit.

That's about the only "pure' dump I could find the last year or so, most dumps now are part of deals to balance out cap hits, because with a rising cap teams are no longer desperate to clear cap.

Peterson and Johansen were probably worth a 3rd at most as cap dumps.
With a flat cap, Ghost and Stralman cost a 2nd to dump with similar cap hits.
No one is giving up a 1st to dump salary anymore.
 
deadhead said:
Show me examples of returns for salary dumps over the last season, not 2-3 years ago when teams were cap constrained?

Dumping Laine cost CBJ a 2nd rd pick, but he has a $8.7Mx2 cap hit.

That's about the only "pure' dump I could find the last year or so, most dumps now are part of deals to balance out cap hits, because with a rising cap teams are no longer desperate to clear cap.

Peterson and Johansen were probably worth a 3rd at most as cap dumps.
With a flat cap, Ghost and Stralman cost a 2nd to dump with similar cap hits.
No one is giving up a 1st to dump salary anymore.
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My sinuses are way, way too clogged to show you the information you've already been shown numerous times by now. It's not worth it to hunt down and give you data when you aren't going to use it and the only information point you care about it "what did the Flyers do?" followed by unquestioned acceptance of whatever they did as the best possible choice; or decreeing they had no choice somehow.

Truly no team in sports has less agency than the Flyers.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
My sinuses are way, way too clogged to show you the information you've already been shown numerous times by now. It's not worth it to hunt down and give you data when you aren't going to use it and the only information point you care about it "what did the Flyers do?" followed by unquestioned acceptance of whatever they did as the best possible choice; or decreeing they had no choice somehow.

Truly no team in sports has less agency than the Flyers.
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Of teams who have won a Stanley cup I believe the Flyers have the 2nd longest drought after the Leafs but f*** the Leafs. At least Toronto has been to the playoffs a lot more recently and would probably win one first before the Flyers could given current rosters
 
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Yall in here really dealing with this dude like it's anything but the below....smhmh
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