Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[DrinkFightFlyers]

That's not what im saying. Im saying the impact of Chuck Fletcher on this organization is an all consuming black hole of suck.

Gotcha. My bad.

 

[BritainStix]

I trust the sources more than I trust teams, who constantly lie. The rumor was older than St Louis too.

Seeler, Walker, Laughton, Tippett all should be out. But they don't make moves like that. They only sell the least valued players who Tortorella blatantly hates.

That's not a rebuild, unless you think "cater to a perennial asshole failure and shape the whole franchise around him despite being at the end of his career" is a rebuild. I do not think it is.

Seeler and Walker have probably tripled their value by their play this year. Tippet was poised for a breakout year being given top line duties and lots of PP time. It would have been stupid to trade him last year. I don't think many saw us having a 10% powerplay.

 

[SickScottMondo]

This is all because I drank that Keith Jones beer. Sorry, guys.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's not what im saying. Im saying the impact of Chuck Fletcher on this organization is an all consuming black hole of suck.

And always remember that the impact of Fletcher is merely an extension of Clarke's impact.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Seeler and Walker have probably tripled their value by their play this year. Tippet was poised for a breakout year being given top line duties and lots of PP time. It would have been stupid to trade him last year. I don't think many saw us having a 10% powerplay.

So again, I tell you to talk to me when they're traded.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Seeler and Walker have probably tripled their value by their play this year. Tippet was poised for a breakout year being given top line duties and lots of PP time. It would have been stupid to trade him last year. I don't think many saw us having a 10% powerplay.

Huh? Last year was peak value for Tippett because he was always ever going to have a reduced time this year. This was always obvious, and I was saying it nearly a year ago now. Seeler's value is the same as it was last year. He and Walker should be gone already.

Basically all of us knew the PP would continue being a horror show.

 

[Starat327]

I was just saying to my brother. Think about what the Flyers represent to a kid like Cutter.

The last time they went on a deep run he was 6 or 7 years old. The last time they could even pretend he have a contention window he was less then 10.

For the whole time he has been old enough to really pay attention to the NHL they have been a dysfunctional, bumbling, joke of an organization.

He doesn't give a a shit what they were in the 90s. The game he grew up playing and watching doesn't even look anything like the game from that era.

The young guys aren't going to look at the Flyers as a destination, they are going to view them the way I viewed the Islanders, Pens or Hawks when i was growing up, a team that I knew used to be great but I had never seen it in my lifetime.

Also as an organization that's going to limit his opportunities to play in favor of veterans, or by benching him because he turned a puck over once. His production suffers, he has less leverage to negotiate, and now earns less.


People are way overcomplicating things. By not playing youth and giving them opportunities to shine, they're effectively taking money out of their wallets. Noone likes doing more work for less money. This idea that hockey players do it for the badge or some shit is nostalgic nonsense. It's a job with better perks. But at the end of the day, it's still a job.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

You could win in the NHL with a team with no Canadians.
You could win in the NHL with a team solely made of Canadians.

No one has won a Cup with zero Canadians lol

 

[Beef Invictus]

No one has won a Cup with zero Canadians lol

You wildly missed the point

 

[FlyerNutter]

I will disagree with you on this one point. And it’s the one thing I’ve liked about Briere so far… we are kind of far behind the eight ball when it comes to talent, so we need to take chances. IF they believe Drysdale is a #1 Defenseman or 70 point PPQB Dynamo #2 defenseman and IF they believe he had the highest upside of any possible return, then the injury history be damned. IF you’re “forced” to trade the guy you believed was your future 1C, you need the return to have very high upside.

That’s fair, I just place a lot of value on injury history when it comes to player evaluation. Especially for someone that’s supposed to be a core piece, which if they went the 1-1 route Drysdale most certainly is.

Nobody forced the Flyers into making a move for him.

They wanted defense, and they wanted an NHL ready talent. They weren’t going to risk taking a step back, and not having an immediate shiny toy to placate the fanbase.

Sometimes it helps to speak to fans of other teams. The Flyers have been a comedy reel for a while now. This just continues it.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

So again, I tell you to talk to me when they're traded.

Keep waiting it ain't happening. Until they're actually gone I will have zero confidence in this organization to do anything. Just jettison anything at this point and start from scratch. The Neck, Coots, Hart, etc. Farabee too what's the point just accumulate draft picks and suck even worse for the next decade and pray for a generational talent to fall into our laps. That's about all we can hope for to turn this sinking ship around.

Realistically though I suspect they trade one of Laughton/Walker/Seeler and get an underwhelming return and say "SEE WE TRIED WE ARE TRADING ORLUR VALUABLE GUYS WE DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE SEELER FOR NOTHING BECAUSE HE IS VALUABLE SO WE KEPT HIM JUST IN CASE" or some bull shit like that which we've heard before.

 

[Bigkarl]

Just catching up on the news. I get that it's a bad look that Gauthier didn't want to sign, but isn't Drysdale a more promising player?

 

[Pet Charles]

The scenario presented here is exactly that. He told teams at the draft he would only play one year of college if the organization wanted him to but no more. The Flyers broke that promise. At that point it's logical to believe that Gauthier wanted nothing to do with the organization that broke that promise. Could it have been handled better in some areas if this is really how it went down? Possibly but it's logical.

The Flyers could be accused of also throwing a fit because Gauthier exercised an option available to him of not signing.

But he's still going to sign in his second season. What would have happened had Gauthier agreed to meet with the Flyers and they said "ok, we'll sign you now and have you on the NHL roster for the rest of this (second) season?"

 

[deadhead]

Eh, this deal is going to have much less of an impact (for both teams) than the Lindros trade. Gauthier isn't likely to be a franchise changing player nor is Drysdale. In a few years we'll either being saying we could use Gauthier on the wing or be happy we have Drysdale. Very unlikely Gauthier's absence is going to be devastating.

Yep. We knew Gauthier's probable ceiling was a 30-30 LW, which is a very good player. But if he isn't committed to play defense or using his body, it's JVR redux. Good scorer with limited impact.

Drysdale has to stay healthy, but is his injury history that different that some other undersized D-men around the league? Sometimes they need a few years to physical mature, good example why you don't rush prospects to the NHL. If he needs work on defense, Shaw is the right guy to fix him (if you can turn Risto into a plus defender, you can fix almost anyone!).

It's not a make or break move, it's irritating, but the interesting thing is Drysdale style of play - not exactly a dinosaur D-man, with him, Sanheim and Andrae, speed on the defense. Bonk as well. So you can match them with guys you draft in the middle rounds like Sotheran or an aging Risto. That lets you focus on using assets to acquire true centers.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

There is no chance this organization would not have made good on the $$ lost if that was the only issue!!! Think how desperate they are!!!!

Yeah, I think that’s probably right. Not sure a highly lauded 20 year old would be able to fully grasp that, but I also do understand the desire to lock in your earnings rather than rely on the goodwill of a new management/ownership team.

Yes, the Flyers take care of their ex-players. But the pittance they’re paying Bernie Parent each year for making some PR appearances falls woefully short of the 92 million dollar deal Nylander just inked.

If you believe in your heart that you’re destined for stardom in this league, getting to free agency as soon as possible and playing big minutes as soon as possible for a coach who is first and foremost committed to your development and wants a dynamic offense that piles up stats… that’s your ticket to the big bucks.

I can absolutely believe he didn’t want to deal with the headache of a coach who is only focused on defense and who has benched too many skill players to even count on both hands at this point over his years as a coach.

I can absolutely believe he was disgusted by a rookie GM being unwilling to entertain the fairly standard practice of burning ELC years. And I fail to see how Drysdale’s contract situation is any better than if we just signed Cutter and did what he wanted.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Keep waiting it ain't happening. Until they're actually gone I will have zero confidence in this organization to do anything. Just jettison anything at this point and start from scratch. The Neck, Coots, Hart, etc. Farabee too what's the point just accumulate draft picks and suck even worse for the next decade and pray for a generational talent to fall into our laps. That's about all we can hope for to turn this sinking ship around.

Realistically though I suspect they trade one of Laughton/Walker/Seeler and get an underwhelming return and say "SEE WE TRIED WE ARE TRADING ORLUR VALUABLE GUYS WE DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE SEELER FOR NOTHING BECAUSE HE IS VALUABLE SO WE KEPT HIM JUST IN CASE" or some bull shit like that which we've heard before.

They are going to (maybe) trade Seeler/Walker at the deadline to get a slightly better vanilla return.

Instead of realizing the benefits of moving such players sooner, and the benefits of a higher pick.

Rebuild my ass. They are more focused on ideally making the playoffs. The fans are back in the stands. People cheer again. The Flyers are back baby.

Pathetic.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

But he's still going to sign in his second season. What would have happened had Gauthier agreed to meet with the Flyers and they said "ok, we'll sign you now and have you on the NHL roster for the rest of this (second) season?"

He wanted them to burn a ELC last year in this scenario.

 

[BritainStix]

Huh? Last year was peak value for Tippett because he was always ever going to have a reduced time this year. This was always obvious, and I was saying it nearly a year ago now. Seeler's value is the same as it was last year. He and Walker should be gone already.

Basically all of us knew the PP would continue being a horror show.

Why was he "always going to have reduced time"?

He just came of a near enough breakout 30 goal season and would have expected him to be in the top two lines, while getting full PP usage.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I haven't posted here in a long while because of the moronic cookie problem this site has, but I'm generally confused as to why this board is still doom and gloom.

You mentioned a lack of direction, but I don't see that. As much as I dislike Torts, he does have the team playing entertaining hockey. Up until December they were also killing it against most of the league. I think the big road trips have certainly taken some of the wind out of the team.

But as far as direction goes, both Briere and Jones have stated we are absolutely sellers at the deadline. There's strong rumours about packaging Seeler and Walker together for a high pick. We haven't seen any stupid signings. While Laughton has been stinking it up at ES, he's been a dominant force on the PK which hopefully inflates his value.

The bottom line is still a joke, and the handling of Frost has been horrific. With Cutter now gone, Briere has to put Torts in his place and abandon this dumbass benching of Zamula and Frost. But it would be totally remiss to ignore the improvement signs in the way this team plays.

Forester, Brink, Farabee, York are all getting major ice time. Konecny is rounding into a superstar. Sanheim is showing the world why he has been the best defenseman on this club since he got here. Couturier is still a rock out there. Now we have a legitimate top pairing defensive prospect in Drysdale. Hell, Risto isn't even the worst defenseman in the NHL anymore, moreso teams have actually enquired about him.

We actually have 2 goaltenders that look like #1 quality. We just need Atkinson and Tippet to have a little run so that we can look to move them at the deadline. They have both been seriously underwhelming this year.

We need more draft capital, but we have pieces that teams want, it's a huge trade deadline coming up for this club, but for the first time in a very long time, I'm genuinely hopefull.

It's not all roses and sweet things, but shit sure seems a lot better right now than it was 12 months ago, and we just lost our second best prospect

The team just spent the last 1.5 years lying to your face about Gauthier. About him being a center, about him wanting to be here, about how he fits into the plan. Yeah sure they kind of "had to"

But they also "have too" lie about selling at the deadline. A lot of the fanbase would be super pissed if they talked rebuild in the off-season and then don't sell off a decent amount of assets at the deadline. What reason do you have to think they wouldn't be willing to lie to you now.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I will never stop laughing at JVR immediately turning back into a very good player the second he got out of here and people still bringing him up as a sign of doom.

 

[BritainStix]

Just catching up on the news. I get that it's a bad look that Gauthier didn't want to sign, but isn't Drysdale a more promising player?

Yes, but he's also had major injury concerns.

When he's been fit and available, he's looked very impressive.

 

[Danko]

The spittin chiclets pod tried blaming this on Dennis Gauthier loool

 

[BritainStix]

The team just spent the last 1.5 years lying to your face about Gauthier. About him being a center, about him wanting to be here, about how he fits into the plan. Yeah sure they kind of "had to"

But they also "have too" lie about selling at the deadline. A lot of the fanbase would be super pissed if they talked rebuild in the off-season and then don't sell off a decent amount of assets at the deadline. What reason do you have to think they wouldn't be willing to lie to you now.

So you're mad at a new GM because of a hypothetical situation that won't happen for another 2 months, based on the previous regime in charge?

 

[bennysflyers16]

What is the injury history, ins't it just one bad one or is he a band aid ?

 

[deadhead]

Seeler and Walker definitely increased their trade value substantially, Seeler from a late round pick to 3rd rd or so, Walker from middle round pick to 2nd or so. Seeler is the kind of player HCs covet for the playoffs, great shot blocker who plays physical defense. And Walker made a big jump to a legitimate 2nd pair D-man. Given one was an AHL signing and the other a throw-in for cap reasons, not bad.