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Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

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FadeToBlack said:
Talked to somebody I know in college hockey that is well connected. He said Torts has nothing to do with it from what he heard. He says it boils down to money. CG wanted an ELC right after he was drafted, but accepted the organizations position that he should go to college for one year. He apparently told teams in pre-draft interviews he would play one year of college hockey if they preferred, but no more, so he was okay with the initial decision. After that, this past spring, he wanted an ELC again. Obviously, he didn't get one, and now he blames the Flyers for costing him two years and millions of dollars in career earnings, as he'll now hit UFA at 27 instead of at 25.

Wild.
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Crazy I talked to somebody in college hockey that said he was okay with the contract situation but he butted heads with Torts and decided he didn't want to play for him after seeing Torts handling of young guys this season.

As far as I know we are just as likely to be connected to people in college hockey so I guess you'll just have to take what I say at face value as well.
 
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GapToothedWonder said:
Crazy I talked to somebody in college hockey that said he was okay with the contract situation but he butted heads with Torts and decided he didn't want to play for him after seeing Torts handling of young guys this season.

As far as I know we are just as likely to be connected to people in college hockey so I guess you'll just have to take what I say at face value as well.
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He doesn’t even know Torts though, and spoke highly of him in April 2023 on that podcast
 
JojoTheWhale said:
I will never stop laughing at JVR immediately turning back into a very good player the second he got out of here and people still bringing him up as a sign of doom.
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Ah, the good old days of Chuck Fletcher...

Fletcher can't find way to trade JVR, forced to defend his job, Flyers' direction

The Flyers were willing to retain half of his hefty $7 million salary left on an expiring, five-year, $35 million contract. Fletcher said he didn't get an offer for van Riemsdyk until Friday around 1:40 p.m. ET. It was a conditional offer. The interested club needed to move one of its forwards to another team in order to finalize a deal for van Riemsdyk. The prerequisite move didn't go down, so the van Riemsdyk offer was quashed.

Fletcher said he talked to every team over the last three weeks and the only offer he received was the conditional one Friday afternoon. He couldn't find a buyer, even with spicing up offers.

"I told teams absolutely I would take a player on an expiring deal, I would take a one-way contract in the minors, I could help on the cash," Fletcher said. "I was not interested in taking a player with term, unless that player could help us going forward. We tried to be as accommodating as possible.

"But we never had an offer, there was never anything that broke down, there was never anybody that said, 'I'm only going to give you a third or a fourth or a sixth and take it or leave it' — I never even got that. I don't know what to say.
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BritainStix said:
So you're mad at a new GM because of a hypothetical situation that won't happen for another 2 months, based on the previous regime in charge?
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Oh I'm not mad at all. I don't think I could be more apathetic with what goes on with this team.

I just can't believe there are still people that have enough faith in them to believe anything they say.

Read the post again, all I am doing is questioning why somebody like you would take their word seriously when they have such a long established track record of lying to your face. They'll happily tell you what they think you want to hear if it will help ticket sales, even if they have no intention of following through. They'll happily lie to you to protect "the brand".

This isn't limited to this regime, it's baked into the organization and has been for well over a decade now.
 
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BritainStix said:
Why was he "always going to have reduced time"?

He just came of a near enough breakout 30 goal season and would have expected him to be in the top two lines, while getting full PP usage.
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Because he hit that due to a sharp increase in shooting percentage and usage. Those usually aren't sustainable. Sure enough, he's been back to normal and now he has to compete with Atkinson for time. The team was better off with him on IR.

I cannot understand why you were so sure this PP would be better. Tortorella's teams aren't good at the PP. Ricky's track record is even worse. It's an awful combo.
 
GapToothedWonder said:
I was just saying to my brother. Think about what the Flyers represent to a kid like Cutter.

The last time they went on a deep run he was 6 or 7 years old. The last time they could even pretend he have a contention window he was less then 10.

For the whole time he has been old enough to really pay attention to the NHL they have been a dysfunctional, bumbling, joke of an organization.

He doesn't give a a shit what they were in the 90s. The game he grew up playing and watching doesn't even look anything like the game from that era.

The young guys aren't going to look at the Flyers as a destination, they are going to view them the way I viewed the Islanders, Pens or Hawks when i was growing up, a team that I knew used to be great but I had never seen it in my lifetime.
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I won't argue with anything you said but that's also the whole point in bringing in young, potentially high-end talent. Imagine if Toews and Kane said they didn't want to play for the Blackhawks because the franchise was a joke for a decade.

Those players get to be the catalysts of change to turn franchises around. Cutter would've been able to play with Michkov and I can't imagine that not being an exciting opportunity.

The league would be a terrible place if every high draft pick decided they'd only play for one of the top 10 teams in the league. I think Cutter's ego and attitude are dogass and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if part of his reasoning was because the Penguins were his favorite team. I can imagine there was already some bias against the Flyers organization based on that alone, coupled with him not being happy about not getting to play in the NHL this year.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
I will never stop laughing at JVR immediately turning back into a very good player the second he got out of here and people still bringing him up as a sign of doom.
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JVR didn't turn into a "very good player" ES scoring in Toronto:
2012-13: 13-13 26 (48g) 2.21/60 (5x5)
2013-14: 19-23 42 - 1.96
2014-15: 17-19 36 - 1.51
2015-16: 9-11 20 (40g) - 1.71
2016-17: 23-20 43 - 2.38
2017-18: 25-9 34 - 1.85
Good but not great PP scorer

Middlin' 2nd line forward, a good player but nothing special, got pushed down to the 3rd line his last two seasons (at age 27-28) once Toronto added real talent.
 
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deadhead said:
JVR didn't turn into a "very good player" ES scoring in Toronto:
2012-13: 13-13 26 (48g) 2.21/60 (5x5)
2013-14: 19-23 42 - 1.96
2014-15: 17-19 36 - 1.51
2015-16: 9-11 20 (40g) - 1.71
2016-17: 23-20 43 - 2.38
2017-18: 25-9 34 - 1.85
Good but not great PP scorer

Middlin' 2nd line forward, a good player but nothing special, got pushed down to the 3rd line his last two seasons (at age 27-28) once Toronto added real talent.
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Uh, do you think he retired?
 
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DrinkFightFlyers said:
Keep waiting it ain't happening. Until they're actually gone I will have zero confidence in this organization to do anything. Just jettison anything at this point and start from scratch. The Neck, Coots, Hart, etc. Farabee too what's the point just accumulate draft picks and suck even worse for the next decade and pray for a generational talent to fall into our laps. That's about all we can hope for to turn this sinking ship around.

Realistically though I suspect they trade one of Laughton/Walker/Seeler and get an underwhelming return and say "SEE WE TRIED WE ARE TRADING ORLUR VALUABLE GUYS WE DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE SEELER FOR NOTHING BECAUSE HE IS VALUABLE SO WE KEPT HIM JUST IN CASE" or some bull shit like that which we've heard before.
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Look, I get what you are saying, but we haven't done that yet this year. Lets wait until it happens to get all mad. It's not like we are in control of the outcome anyway.

Danny and Jonesy seem to have more respect in the league than chuck and hextall had, fake it until you make it. Hockey doesn't make sense anyway. Barely anyone knows what they're doing.
 
GapToothedWonder said:
I was just saying to my brother. Think about what the Flyers represent to a kid like Cutter.

The last time they went on a deep run he was 6 or 7 years old. The last time they could even pretend he have a contention window he was less then 10.

For the whole time he has been old enough to really pay attention to the NHL they have been a dysfunctional, bumbling, joke of an organization.

He doesn't give a a shit what they were in the 90s. The game he grew up playing and watching doesn't even look anything like the game from that era.

The young guys aren't going to look at the Flyers as a destination, they are going to view them the way I viewed the Islanders, Pens or Hawks when i was growing up, a team that I knew used to be great but I had never seen it in my lifetime.
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Michkov saw them as a chance to be the face of the franchise though. I will take a player with that attitude over an entitled Cu*t
 
Hollywood Cannon said:
Uh, do you think he retired?
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Do you think he was worth top 2nd line money (5x$7M) when we signed him?
Toronto let him walk.
He played the way he did in Toronto his first 3 years of his contract, top 3rd line forward, then declined. His "rebound" in Boston is based on sheltered minutes, 11:01 a night at 5x5.
 
FlyerNutter said:
They are going to (maybe) trade Seeler/Walker at the deadline to get a slightly better vanilla return.

Instead of realizing the benefits of moving such players sooner, and the benefits of a higher pick.

Rebuild my ass. They are more focused on ideally making the playoffs. The fans are back in the stands. People cheer again. The Flyers are back baby.

Pathetic.
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The Flyers were recently sitting at 2nd in the division until their western road trip. There's no way management gives up key pieces of the team when they're sitting in that position. If the Flyers continue to slip then hopefully we'll see Seeler/Walker moved sooner rather than later but no team is going to dismantle their roster while they're overperforming just because "well we were supposed to suck this year."
 
BillDineen said:
Michkov saw them as a chance to be the face of the franchise though. I will take a player with that attitude over an entitled Cu*t
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Based on what? The word of the team that just lied to you for 1.5 years?

The word of the kid that knows how to toe the line before coming over? Cutter said all the right things too.

You have no idea what's actually going through MMs mind. If the Flyers are still a mess in 2 years he might not want to come into a losing situation. He might not want to play for Torts. He might want into a different city.
 
GapToothedWonder said:
Oh I'm not mad at all. I don't think I could be more apathetic with what goes on with this team.

I just can't believe there are still people that have enough faith in them to believe anything they say.

Read the post again, all I am doing is questioning why somebody like you would take their word seriously when they have such a long established track record of lying to your face. They'll happily tell you what they think you want to hear if it will help ticket sales, even if they have no intention of following through. They'll happily lie to you to protect "the brand".

This isn't limited to this regime, it's baked into the organization and has been for well over a decade now.
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Because for all our sins we are flyers fans. If I didn't have any hope this team could actually turn things around then I wouldn't be a fan. Even if it's blind hope.

What's more confusing is why someone like you hangs around the flyers boards posting about how they are doing everything wrong and yet your "apathetic" towards the team.

Your lying to yourself that you don't care, because rational people wouldn't be here if they didn't.
 
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