Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[Don Nachbaur 26]

I hate that he's still so good. Is he ever going to decline? If PIT was smart, they would have started a retool a few seasons ago and gave him some young talent to play with one last time before he retires

Who was the most recent GM, hahaha

 

[MayonnaiseOreo]

As of today, they're not in a playoff spot.

Hence the past tense of "were". Nobody should be shocked that Seeler and Walker weren't traded when the Flyers were sitting in a high-ish playoff spot.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Doesn't exactly sound hush-hush. The league knew they were shopping him. The Flyers didn't pull some value fast one getting this done immediately over the weekend.

so they knew what teams Cutter would sign with..

so there was discussion... thought Briere said there was no talking to his camp ?


this whole thing reeks of players knowing the Flyers peking order..

Emporer Torts above all.

i dont blame him at all for saying "no f***ing way"...

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Torts is a great coach, he's been proving it again and again. the Flyers play way above their abilities this season. Look at Ottawa, it's >>> Phily roster wise, and where are Senators and where are Flyers?

If a player doesn't wanna play under a great coach you gotta trade such a player 150 times out of 100 no matter the reputation that coach has. I assure you Michkov will be Torts' favorite player because the kid is a warrior and absolutely crazy about hockey, like Tortorella.

whats the air like on ur planet ??

 

[GapToothedWonder]

.If the trade happened because Cutter wanted to play in the NHL this year and is mad he didn't get his money then f*** him. We don't need kids with egos like that when he wasn't NHL ready. God forbid the Flyers actually try to develop their talent for once instead of rushing them into the league.

Yeah! The Flyers are supposed to be the ones with inflated egos. Doesn't cutter know this used to be a great organization 25 years ago? Doesn't he know how highly respected our rookie GM and color commentator are? How dare he try to measure up his ego to that!

Besides the Flyers need to learn to develop their prospects and not rush them. If you force them into the league at 18 you could damage their confidence and risk them getting injuries like torn labrums.

 

[freakydallas13]

Has any Flyer player demanded a trade? Lot's of players around the league do so every season.

The only two players who criticized Torts in CBJ were Dubinsky (after he was demoted to the 3rd line and then released a year later), and a scrub. Even Dubois, who clashed with Torts, went out of his way to state his trade demands were an issue with the GM, not Torts.

Hayes? Who cares, he fought the move to RW and either couldn't or wouldn't play defense - what coach wouldn't ream him a new one?

Torts isn't "hated," he just has a reputation that intimidates a lot of players, probably b/c a lot of players don't like being pushed (Hayes is a good example). AV, for example, was a far bigger asshole than Torts. Cassidy was forced out of Boston by his players (who then went belly up in the 1st rd while Cassidy kissed the Cup).

You refuted nothing in my post, outside of say "yes Hayes had issues with Torts but I don't care what he thinks", as if what you think of Hayes is what we are discussing and not which players don't like Torts.

If Someone points out that Hayes and Torts beefed, because the topic is "here are the players who have gotten into it with Torts", you claiming you don't care about Hayes isn't relevant and doesn't change what we are discussing in the slightest. Stop bringing it up like it means anything.

 

[Pet Charles]

He wanted them to burn a ELC last year in this scenario.

You said he told teams at the draft he'd play one year of college but no more. To me, that means "I want an ELC for my second season." If what you were saying is that he meant he wanted to play a year of college hockey but still wanted an ELC in the spring of that first year, then that's the same as saying "I won't play a year of college and I want to sign right now."

 

[deadhead]

Torts doesn't seem to have any interest in prospects, he's mono-focused on coaching the players he has - which is why when Gardner came up for a game I figured it was Briere wanting to see him against NHL competition. Briere not only has to trade players, he has to replace them, so he needs to evaluate what he has in terms of short-term callups and last 20 game fill-ins.

Briere has been seen at Phantom games multiple times, probably to figure out his "chessboard." If I trade Walker who do I call up? Both a matter of wanting to finish the season without falling into a black hole and to decide who they want to evaluate for next season. So do you want the reliable mediocre veteran in Belpedio, or see if Attard has improved his defense enough to stick (or to showcase him for a potential trade).

 

[Lord Defect]

There are threads for that. This is a hockey board where actual flyers fans want to discuss the team.

And the team is being discussed. Just because people don’t agree with you, that doesn’t mean they don’t get to discuss the team.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Often injured, turns puck over at crucial moments, small, cannot bring puck up.

We fleeced you guys

sounds like a perfect Flyers trade.

he can play poker with Ellis all season

 

[yankeeking]

Another Tortorella victim. You'd think your top 10 pick not wanting to play for your coach would prompt some changes.

so you let a teenager decide who is going to coach your team , this is what is wrong with things today the tail wags the dog

 

[deadhead]

You refuted nothing in my post, outside of say "yes Hayes had issues with Torts but I don't care what he thinks", as if what you think of Hayes is what we are discussing and not which players don't like Torts.

If Someone points out that Hayes and Torts beefed, because the topic is "here are the players who have gotten into it with Torts", you claiming you don't care about Hayes isn't relevant and doesn't change what we are discussing in the slightest. Stop bringing it up like it means anything.

Hayes had problems with Torts b/c Hayes didn't want to admit his skills were declining and he was a defensive liability at center. Dubinsky had the same issue in CBJ when he was demoted to the 3rd line in favor of a YOUNGER center, the way Hayes was demoted in favor of Frost and Cates last season. Hayes also fought being moved to RW, which would extend his career given his drop in foot speed.

This wasn't a personality clash, it was a HC trying to what was best for the team and a player deluding himself into thinking he hadn't slipped.

 

[Esko]

Outsider here- just wondering why it seems like the majority of Flyers fans aren't particularly happy with Tortorella?

 

[Beef Invictus]

How am I reading so many of you Flyers fans berate management over this situation? Gauthier is solely to blame for behaving like an entitled child. I understand if you're unhappy about the trade and the return. But your 18-year-old prospect shouldn't be pouting because of who your coach is.

Because the team is horribly managed and treats young players like shit.

 

[Lord Defect]

Torts doesn't seem to have any interest in prospects, he's mono-focused on coaching the players he has - which is why when Gardner came up for a game I figured it was Briere wanting to see him against NHL competition. Briere not only has to trade players, he has to replace them, so he needs to evaluate what he has in terms of short-term callups and last 20 game fill-ins.

Briere has been seen at Phantom games multiple times, probably to figure out his "chessboard." If I trade Walker who do I call up? Both a matter of wanting to finish the season without falling into a black hole and to decide who they want to evaluate for next season. So do you want the reliable mediocre veteran in Belpedio, or see if Attard has improved his defense enough to stick (or to showcase him for a potential trade).

You’re not competing. Walker can be resigned in the off season. You get value for him, rotate in the kids to gauge their value, sign walker in the off season.
That’s asset management.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Do you think he was worth top 2nd line money (5x$7M) when we signed him?
Toronto let him walk.
He played the way he did in Toronto his first 3 years of his contract, top 3rd line forward, then declined. His "rebound" in Boston is based on sheltered minutes, 11:01 a night at 5x5.

"JVR isn't good" is on par with your "Ghost isn't good because he takes slapshots" takes

 

[Pet Charles]

Outsider here- just wondering why it seems like the majority of Flyers fans aren't particularly happy with Tortorella?

Oh boy. This is my stop...

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers were recently sitting at 2nd in the division until their western road trip. There's no way management gives up key pieces of the team when they're sitting in that position. If the Flyers continue to slip then hopefully we'll see Seeler/Walker moved sooner rather than later but no team is going to dismantle their roster while they're overperforming just because "well we were supposed to suck this year."

You're right. They wouldn't do that. Because they're delusional and have no long term plan or awareness.

 

[wankstifier]

Outsider here- just wondering why it seems like the majority of Flyers fans aren't particularly happy with Tortorella?

He communicates poorly, holds grudges, lacks interest in important aspects of the game, and takes in-season sabbaticals.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Outsider here- just wondering why it seems like the majority of Flyers fans aren't particularly happy with Tortorella?

Because he's terrible and has been since the DPE ended. He is inflexible and proud that he doesn't understand the modern game. He's an asshole. Next question.

 

[swami24]

Frustrating to have two high draft picks just go sour.

Not the first two. This should end the great tankathon agreement. Pretty solid proof why it doesn't work in the NHL.

 

[Rich Nixon]

so you let a teenager decide who is going to coach your team , this is what is wrong with things today the tail wags the dog

The tail that wags the dog is Tortorella, friend. The GM and President of this team have their jobs because they were the only candidates who committed to keeping him around.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You’re not competing. Walker can be resigned in the off season. You get value for him, rotate in the kids to gauge their value, sign walker in the off season.
That’s asset management.

And if you can't sign him in the offseason who cares. He won't be around when the Michkov window begins and that's what the team should be relentlessly building for.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

so you let a teenager decide who is going to coach your team , this is what is wrong with things today the tail wags the dog

Your avatar is a Goalie who famously requested a trade because he didn’t want to sit on the bench. As was his right.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You said he told teams at the draft he'd play one year of college but no more. To me, that means "I want an ELC for my second season." If what you were saying is that he meant he wanted to play a year of college hockey but still wanted an ELC in the spring of that first year, then that's the same as saying "I won't play a year of college and I want to sign right now."

It's not the same thing though. Could it have been elaborated on with more detail instead of just assuming the details would be known, sure and for that I apologize.

I won't say it's standard operating procedure with these types of kids but it's pretty close to it. They'll sign with the NHL team after their NCAA season concludes in order to burn a year off of their ELC and get NHL experience. With them not doing that at that point (March of '22) and proceeding to make him go back to school for the 22-23 season that would put him at signing at the conclusion of their season this year and burning an ELC this year which is not something that Gauthier agreed to.

They supposedly haven't talked since the World Championships which was a month or two after his college season ended. It lines up logically with the proposed scenario.