Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[Rich Nixon]

Outsider here- just wondering why it seems like the majority of Flyers fans aren't particularly happy with Tortorella?

It's night and day on Twitter and the stands vs. here. The people here are the critical thinkers who see the f***ed up power dynamics of a coach who overrules the GM and what that means for a team that's supposedly rebuilding.

The fanbase at large likes Torts a lot. They're gonna clap like seals all the way to a bunch of 9th place finishes as long as there's GRIT and FIGHTING.

Fairweather day-to-day fans aren't here because they've had no reason to give a shit about this franchise for a decade. Flyers HF is an enclave of people who have followed this team closely for a really, really long time and have been audience to a ton of obvious organizational blundering that has led them to where they have been lately. The mood here is always more about the big picture, and the big picture doesn't look great.

 

[Appleyard]

JVR didn't turn into a "very good player" ES scoring in Toronto:
2012-13: 13-13 26 (48g) 2.21/60 (5x5)
2013-14: 19-23 42 - 1.96
2014-15: 17-19 36 - 1.51
2015-16: 9-11 20 (40g) - 1.71
2016-17: 23-20 43 - 2.38
2017-18: 25-9 34 - 1.85
Good but not great PP scorer

Middlin' 2nd line forward, a good player but nothing special, got pushed down to the 3rd line his last two seasons (at age 27-28) once Toronto added real talent.

Tbf that was a different NHL scoring era.

Now? Yeh, ~2.00 P/60 is 1st line level.

But between 2012-18 at 5v5?

1.00 G/60 (20th in NHL)
1.92 P/60 (62nd in NHL)

That is pretty damn good 5v5 scoring. 1st line level...

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Your avatar is a Goalie who famously requested a trade because he didn’t want to sit on the bench. As was his right.

I do love this board sometimes.

 

[freakydallas13]

Hayes had problems with Torts b/c Hayes didn't want to admit his skills were declining and he was a defensive liability at center. Dubinsky had the same issue in CBJ when he was demoted to the 3rd line in favor of a YOUNGER center, the way Hayes was demoted in favor of Frost and Cates last season. Hayes also fought being moved to RW, which would extend his career given his drop in foot speed.

This wasn't a personality clash, it was a HC trying to what was best for the team and a player deluding himself into thinking he hadn't slipped.

Great. Why players keep beefing with Torts isn't what I'm talking about. I'm pointing out that the "all the players love Torts" narrative is wrong because:

Hayes
TDA
Frost
Farabee
York (?)
Gauthier (?)

have all at one point beefed with Torts, and these are just the ones we know about: there could easily be more behind the scenes.

So stop saying "the players love Torts". It's wrong. There are counter examples to this claim, and you explaining why they are or how much you don't care about these examples changes nothing about my claim. You can say "some players don't love Torts but I don't care what they say" all day, it's not what I'm talking about.

 

[deadhead]

Outsider here- just wondering why it seems like the majority of Flyers fans aren't particularly happy with Tortorella?

There's a lot of myths, people get weird over Deslauriers playing 9 minutes a night instead of an AHL scrub (I've seen the Phantoms, the most NHL ready players is a 26 year old center who sucked at 4C last season, albeit partially due to dings and a 24 year old LW who's a "tweener").

The complaint is Torts won't play young players and dares to bench a fan favorite (Frost)
TOI
Couts (31) 19:54
TK (26) 19:19
Atkinson (34) 17:17
Foerster (22) 16:55
Tippett (24) 15:38
Farabee (23) 15:19
Laughton (29) 15:17
Frost (24) 15:13
Brink (22) 14:42
Cates (24) 14:25 [IR]
Poehling (25) 13:25
Hathaway (32) 10:44
Deslauriers (32) 8:50

Sanheim (27) 24:37
York (23) 22:33
Walker (29) 20:22
Risto (29) 17:27
Seeler (30) 17:10
Zamula (23) 15:57
Staal (37) 13:17

 

[CanadianSniper]

Just leaked what Lekkerimaki said to Cutter in the handshake lineup.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

‘There’s a lot of myths,” he said immediately after directly stating most people want them to be the Sabres.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[freakydallas13]

Because they think they should tank, play young players 20 minutes a night, not hold them accountable and be the next Buffalo Sabres.

Stop straw-manning.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Haven't posted for a while, but logged in just to say how the morning was like, literally 5sec after opening my eyes at 8am

hb: ''why would the Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier?''
me: ''the Flyers WHAT''

Not gonna bring ''tell me how to feel about this'' question here, but if the guy did not want to sign, so be it. Certainly our upper management knew why precisely and if Torts is to blame. 100% that it has been mentioned here already, but they were trying to trade him already at draft, as per Charlie O'Connor or what the name of that twat was.

How are you doing, health-wise?

 

[FlyerNutter]

They are already prime time Buffalo in the height of its dysfunction.

Living in those glory days of this team being something other than a modern day laughing stock.

 

[renberg]

McDavid.

Nah. Some coach might not like his defense and say that he tries to be too cute with the puck.

 

[freakydallas13]

They are already prime time Buffalo in the height of its dysfunction.

Living in those glory days of this team being something other than a modern day laughing stock.

How many top 5 picks have refused to play for the sabers before their first NHL game?

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

By the way, this trade has surpassed the number of posts in the Nylander signing thread on the main boards. Can't remember the last time anything the Flyers did out-posted something similar that dealt with the Leafs.

 

[deadhead]

Great. Why players keep beefing with Torts isn't what I'm talking about. I'm pointing out that the "all the players love Torts" narrative is wrong because:

Hayes
TDA
Frost
Farabee
York (?)
Gauthier (?)

have all at one point beefed with Torts, and these are just the ones we know about: there could easily be more behind the scenes.

So stop saying "the players love Torts". It's wrong. There are counter examples to this claim, and you explaining why they are or how much you don't care about these examples changes nothing about my claim. You can say "some players don't love Torts but I don't care what they say" all day, it's not what I'm talking about.

Every team has players who have beefs with their HC, any player getting less time than he thinks he deserves (which is two/thirds of most teams).

All HCs have to balance pushing and coddling players, some HCs have a better sense of that balance, but it's a delicate balance.

Hayes and TDA were the players fault, Hayes refused to accept his declining skills and TDA just couldn't be coached. Unlike AV, Torts gives players 2nd and 3rd chances to get out of his doghouse, but some players are just lost causes (even Carolina couldn't turn TDA around this season).

Farabee is just fine with Torts these days, York is just fine, note that Farabee is on the 1st line and York on the first pair.

Frost is complicated, Torts could handle it better but he's right in that Frost needs to be pushed, the kid just doesn't play with urgency much of the time and his overall play reflects that - he has the skill to be a top 2C but plays like a 3C.

 

[Striiker]

I feel comfortable saying he’s already the best defensemen to wear that number in team history

 

[deadhead]

How many top 5 picks have refused to play for the sabers before their first NHL game?

Sabres didn't draft smart players.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

It's just a respect thing, character thing...if you don't have the decency to talk to the team that drafted you its a bad reflect on you and your advisors.

Well if that time line is true the last time they talked to him they lied to him.

Respect goes both ways.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

I feel comfortable saying he’s already the best defensemen to wear that number in team history

Torts watches this 12 second clip, scratches the kid from the next game and declares he needs to stand up to him to play.

 

[Appleyard]

Every team has players who have beefs with their HC, any player getting less time than he thinks he deserves (which is two/thirds of most teams).

All HCs have to balance pushing and coddling players, some HCs have a better sense of that balance, but it's a delicate balance.

Hayes and TDA were the players fault, Hayes refused to accept his declining skills and TDA just couldn't be coached. Unlike AV, Torts gives players 2nd and 3rd chances to get out of his doghouse, but some players are just lost causes (even Carolina couldn't turn TDA around this season).

Farabee is just fine with Torts these days, York is just fine, note that Farabee is on the 1st line and York on the first pair.

Frost is complicated, Torts could handle it better but he's right in that Frost needs to be pushed, the kid just doesn't play with urgency much of the time and his overall play reflects that - he has the skill to be a top 2C but plays like a 3C.

I mean, Torts was voted the coach that players around the league would least like to play for multiple times.

There is more than just a shred of truth to him not being generally well liked as a coach.

200+ players in The Athletics polls... 30% said Torts was the coach they would least want to play for.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Can we please stop pretending we know who is and isn’t coachable or listens to others?

I’ll make an exception for a guy who got punched by a teammate on television. That one can stick.

 

[deadhead]

You’re not competing. Walker can be resigned in the off season. You get value for him, rotate in the kids to gauge their value, sign walker in the off season.
That’s asset management.

You're assuming there's a buyer right now (or at least one able and willing to give something of value). Trades are rare until you get within a week or so of the TDL, teams don't want to give up good assets then go into a tail spin. Plus some PO contenders are really cap strapped this year.

Edmonton $382K
Vancouver $332K
Dallas $40K
NJ $1M
Toronto $341K
And some teams that seem to have cap space have to save it for players they hope to bring back off LTIR the second half of the season.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

#9 is a good choice !!

Our first defense pairing is now 69.

Niceeeeeeeee

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Granted, Torts is probably very hard to play for when you're in his dog house. But it can't all be bad. Also, Cutter will at the very least play 12 years in the league. A very small fraction of that would have been spent with Torts. I just don't like these types of trade demands and, in my opinion, it's not a good look for Cutter.

I don’t think Cutter really cares whether you think it’s a good look for him.

We don’t know his exact reason, but it seems like it was either us not honoring his pre-draft request to play only one year of college hockey and start burning ELC years from the jump, or the prospect of playing for a coach who has treated other young skilled forwards in a manner that is not most conducive to their development.

Either of those reasons would directly impact Cutter’s career trajectory and his earnings potential. So who the hell exactly are you to think you can tell him it’s a “bad look” that he used the rights afforded to him by the CBA?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Multiple insiders have mentioned Zegras as being available. Did they even bring this up to Torts?