Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[Redpath]

So here's something that doesn't make much sense to me.

Flyers stated that Gauthier told them he didn't want to sign with them a few months after being drafted. But, there are reports out there that Gauthier was willing to sign after 1 year of college, and when the Flyers didn't sign him that's when the relationship went bad. Both of those are conflicting in terms of timeline to me. It just doesn't make sense.

Am I missing something?

I'm curious how many months Briere means by a "few," because he also said things went sour after the Worlds last year (Ended May 28th). But that also conflicts with Jones saying he had heard about Cutter's decision while still in the press box (Hired May 11th).

Was Jones just hearing speculation while he was a commentator? Was the Worlds incident just Cutter re-affirming he didn't want to be a Flyer?

 

[ponder719]

Nobody saw the worst PP team in the league again being the worst PP team in the league?

A team that kept the same PP coach and the same personel group? A team who's PP process looked like trash last year.

There's still some room between "worst PP in the league" and "potential worst PP in history." We were worst last year, too, and were 5 percentage points better than this year.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

This may be my favorite set of tweets ESP has ever put out @JojoTheWhale

 

[VladDrag]

I'm curious how many months Briere means by a "few," because he also said things went sour after the Worlds last year (Ended May 28th). But that also conflict with Jones saying he had heard about Cutter's decision while still in the press box (Hired May 11th).

Was Jones just hearing speculation while he was a commentator? Was the Worlds incident just Cutter re-affirming he didn't want to be a Flyer?

This is why the ELC thing doesn't make sense. They knew Cutter didn't want to sign there 'a few months' after the draft. Like you said, a few months is debatable, but I think you can assume it was before the conclusion of his freshman year.

So what was the reason he didn't want to sign in the first place? He said it wasn't the first time they heard that either. So they had to have heard something from Cutter's camp prior to the world championships.

 

[ponder719]

NMC's don't mean you can't get scratched. Just means you can't be moved.

They do, however, guarantee you a spot on the team, which is what you'd said. Obviously, they don't guarantee you a specific role.

 

[Curufinwe]

I think the "few months" thing was Briere misspeaking. In the same interview less than a minute later he said that the Gauthier camp informed them he wouldn't play for the Flyers after the World Champs, in May, 2023.

The linked interview Cutter did with Charlie was from November 2022, more than four months after the draft.

The Cutter Gauthier trade: Breaking down the when, why, and how of the Flyers' big move - PHLY Sports

Since July 7, 2022, Cutter Gauthier was viewed by Philadelphia Flyers fans as a potential savior, a possible physically-dominant goal scoring forward who

allphly.com

The early signs were all positive. Gauthier showed up to development camp after the 2022 draft. He took interviews with Flyers beat writers during his freshman season at Boston College. And as late as April of 2023, he went on a Boston-area podcast and seemed very much onboard with the idea of playing for head coach John Tortorella, sharing an amusing anecdote about meeting him at camp the previous summer.

But according to Briere, following Gauthier’s standout showing at the IIHF World Championships for Team USA — which concluded on May 28 — he informed the Flyers that he had a change of heart. He no longer wanted to sign in Philadelphia.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

There's still some room between "worst PP in the league" and "potential worst PP in history." We were worst last year, too, and were 5 percentage points better than this year.

Yeah, you want to know what that room is? 10-12 goals. In the context of what I was replying to that maybe equates to an extra 5 points for Tippett. Does that really move the needle on his trade value?

We're you following that part of the conversation of just dropping in on this with no context?

 

[flyersnorth]

It's probably been posted somewhere in the 49 pages, so apologies if it has.

While I'm bummed about how this all came about - and basically losing a top forward prospect - I'm excited about Drysdale, if he can stay healthy.

He's a brilliant skater, capable of quarterbacking a power play with ease and generating results both ways through the neutral zone. More of a playmaker than a shooter, Drysdale is adaptable first and foremost. He's going to make the best decision regardless, no matter the situation. He's the only defenceman in this year's draft with clear No. 1 defenceman upside. -EliteProspects 2020 NHL Draft Guide​

Projection and Comparison​

Drysdale has the offensive and defensive skills to be a franchise level defender at the NHL level. However, he likely needs at least another year back in the junior ranks, getting stronger and continuing to improve his shot and defensive game. His skating and ability to read the play make him perfect for the modern NHL. In terms of a comparison, his game is reminiscent of Scott Niedermayer. It must be noted that this is a stylistic comparison only though and not one based on skill and ability.​

Jamie Drysdale Scouting Report: 2020 NHL Draft #4

The fourth overall pick in the 2018 OHL Priority Selection Draft, Jamie Drysdale had a strong rookie season and was named to the OHL All-Rookie Team.

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If he can become a legitimate top pairing defenseman, it's a win given the circumstances, I'd say.

Now we need a top center prospect.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Some losers this fanbase has.

 

[kudymen]

I'm still laughing

 

[ponder719]

Yeah, you want to know what that room is? 10-12 goals. In the context of what I was replying to that maybe equates to an extra 5 points for Tippett. Does that really move the needle on his trade value?

We're you following that part of the conversation of just dropping in on this with no context?

I'll readily admit I haven't read all 50 pages of the thread in full, so no, I hadn't thought the conversation was hyperfocused exclusively on Tippett.

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

Great job of damage control by Briere and company.

 

[deadhead]

Another issue is the ELC is overrated, b/c if you're rushed, you get to your RFA a year early, but also get a shitty first bridge contract b/c you haven't shown anything. If you hit the ground running, and have a couple top seasons, when you become RFA eligible team is far more willing to give you big money early.

So for the ELC to be an issue, Gauthier had to be convinced he'd be an instant star, which was unlikely off his freshman season in college (and even after two seasons, not convinced he's going to be an instant 60 point forward). Which suggests he's either got an inflated opinion of himself or people around him are stroking his ego.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's night and day on Twitter and the stands vs. here. The people here are the critical thinkers who see the f***ed up power dynamics of a coach who overrules the GM and what that means for a team that's supposedly rebuilding.

The fanbase at large likes Torts a lot. They're gonna clap like seals all the way to a bunch of 9th place finishes as long as there's GRIT and FIGHTING.

Fairweather day-to-day fans aren't here because they've had no reason to give a shit about this franchise for a decade. Flyers HF is an enclave of people who have followed this team closely for a really, really long time and have been audience to a ton of obvious organizational blundering that has led them to where they have been lately. The mood here is always more about the big picture, and the big picture doesn't look great.

I like the cut of your meat.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

This is why the ELC thing doesn't make sense. They knew Cutter didn't want to sign there 'a few months' after the draft. Like you said, a few months is debatable, but I think you can assume it was before the conclusion of his freshman year.

So what was the reason he didn't want to sign in the first place? He said it wasn't the first time they heard that either. So they had to have heard something from Cutter's camp prior to the world championships.

Going off what RA said with “rookie GM” I’m guessing Briere in Gauthier’s camps eyes got dinged for being here under the Fletcher era as AGM & they weren’t going to take a leap of faith in him.

 

[Danko]

 

[VladDrag]

I think the "few months" thing was Briere misspeaking. In the same interview less than a minute later he said that the Gauthier camp informed them he wouldn't play for the Flyers after the World Champs, in May, 2023.

The Cutter Gauthier trade: Breaking down the when, why, and how of the Flyers' big move - PHLY Sports

Since July 7, 2022, Cutter Gauthier was viewed by Philadelphia Flyers fans as a potential savior, a possible physically-dominant goal scoring forward who

allphly.com

I didn't interpret that way. A couple of months is not almost a year in my opinion. But you could be right.

 

[Beef Invictus]

There's a lot of myths, people get weird over Deslauriers playing 9 minutes a night instead of an AHL scrub (I've seen the Phantoms, the most NHL ready players is a 26 year old center who sucked at 4C last season, albeit partially due to dings and a 24 year old LW who's a "tweener").

The complaint is Torts won't play young players and dares to bench a fan favorite (Frost)
TOI
Couts (31) 19:54
TK (26) 19:19
Atkinson (34) 17:17
Foerster (22) 16:55
Tippett (24) 15:38
Farabee (23) 15:19
Laughton (29) 15:17
Frost (24) 15:13
Brink (22) 14:42
Cates (24) 14:25 [IR]
Poehling (25) 13:25
Hathaway (32) 10:44
Deslauriers (32) 8:50

Sanheim (27) 24:37
York (23) 22:33
Walker (29) 20:22
Risto (29) 17:27
Seeler (30) 17:10
Zamula (23) 15:57
Staal (37) 13:17

Heyyyy how come defending the team always requires that you lie? Have you ever considered that they aren't worth defending if you have to lie to do it?

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I won't argue with anything you said but that's also the whole point in bringing in young, potentially high-end talent. Imagine if Toews and Kane said they didn't want to play for the Blackhawks because the franchise was a joke for a decade.

Those players get to be the catalysts of change to turn franchises around. Cutter would've been able to play with Michkov and I can't imagine that not being an exciting opportunity.

The league would be a terrible place if every high draft pick decided they'd only play for one of the top 10 teams in the league. I think Cutter's ego and attitude are dogass and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if part of his reasoning was because the Penguins were his favorite team. I can imagine there was already some bias against the Flyers organization based on that alone, coupled with him not being happy about not getting to play in the NHL this year.

I would be way more excited about joining a team that has a ton of promising young players around my age with a clear rebuild timeline then I would be about joining just MM in a few years.

Especially after the team just lied to me.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Some losers this fanbase has.

Hayes’ PRing the Flyers back.

 

[Danko]

I mean really that wasn't the flyers...it was Snow The Goalie

 

[Beef Invictus]

I mean, Torts was voted the coach that players around the league would least like to play for multiple times.

There is more than just a shred of truth to him not being generally well liked as a coach.

200+ players in The Athletics polls... 30% said Torts was the coach they would least want to play for.

Twice as many as Babcock, who people think is the most hated.

 

[Curufinwe]

I mean really that wasn't the flyers...it was Snow The Goalie

ASF in shambles

 

[VladDrag]

Going off what RA said with “rookie GM” I’m guessing Briere in Gauthier’s camps eyes got dinged for being here under the Fletcher era as AGM & they weren’t going to take a leap of faith in him.

What makes the most amount of sense to me, from a timeline perspective, is that Cutter's camp for whatever reason didn't want to sign with the Flyers. And, they let them know almost immediately upon drafting.

The Flyers reportedly tried to sign him following his freshman season, but he elected to go back to school. During those conversations is when Cutter's camp directly told them they would absolutely not sign with the Flyers, and that's when the team started exploring trades.

Cutter's camp stopped talking with the Flyers camp because they had made their mind up and that they would not sign with the Flyers. All the Flyers were doing were trying to convince Cutter to sign, so he cut them off.

I know there's some huge leaps of faith there, and I know I could be wrong.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Our first defense pairing is now 69.

Niceeeeeeeee

We gotta change some numbers to 4 and 20 now