Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

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[LegionOfDoom91]

I mean really that wasn't the flyers...it was Snow The Goalie

I’m not saying that’s 100% the opinion of the organization to a man but someone is feeding those guys that. I don’t think they’re making it up.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I mean really that wasn't the flyers...it was Snow The Goalie

That Dan Hilferty jumped on immediately with.

They're "Officially Partnered" with the Philadelphia Flyers. They're culpable.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Because for all our sins we are flyers fans. If I didn't have any hope this team could actually turn things around then I wouldn't be a fan. Even if it's blind hope.

What's more confusing is why someone like you hangs around the flyers boards posting about how they are doing everything wrong and yet your "apathetic" towards the team.

Your lying to yourself that you don't care, because rational people wouldn't be here if they didn't.

I'm here because I've been part of this community and have followed the boards for 15 years. I am here because I want to care about the team again. I'm not going to switch allegiances because the team is in a hopeless state right now.

I will watch the odd game with no passion, often most enjoying when something humiliating happens to a player I don't like and come on here to shoot the shit. That's about the extent of it at this point.

There is a big hole in my life where there used to be a ton of passion for this franchise, it's empty now waiting to be filled, but I have no hope that will happen before 2030 at the earliest.

I used to get very angry about the state of the team. Now I feel nothing. I come on here to laugh at what they have become, that's it, no joy, no anger, just a calous sense of humor.

 

[Curufinwe]

What makes the most amount of sense to me, from a timeline perspective, is that Cutter's camp for whatever reason didn't want to sign with the Flyers. And, they let them know almost immediately upon drafting.

That doesn't line up with him giving an interview to a Flyers beat writer in November, 2022.

'Back in the zone': Gauthier is starting to live up to his draft pick pedigree

After a slow start for Gauthier at Boston College, the 2022 No. 5 pick has made rapid improvements.

theathletic.com

Or going on a podcast in April, 2023 and talking about how cool it was to meet Torts.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah, you want to know what that room is? 10-12 goals. In the context of what I was replying to that maybe equates to an extra 5 points for Tippett. Does that really move the needle on his trade value?

We're you following that part of the conversation of just dropping in on this with no context?

And, extra 5 points is being really generous. Tippett is gonna be the straw that stirs the drink for involvement in half that boost in production?

 

[Danko]

Yeah who knows, thats the problem...maybe Dan Hilferty himself leaked it to ASF, IDK. It was completely irresponsible by ASF to mention it...he can hide behind a source...maybe there wasn't one. I'm not gonna try and call the guy a liar but we just don't know and unless you can prove something, maybe you shouldn't report it. It has been clear for several months they've had a vendetta against Kevin Hayes. I think Therien even mentioned something along the lines of Get the real story about Kevin Hayes in St. Louis from Berube...

 

[VladDrag]

That doesn't line up with him giving an interview to a Flyers beat writer in November, 2022.

'Back in the zone': Gauthier is starting to live up to his draft pick pedigree

After a slow start for Gauthier at Boston College, the 2022 No. 5 pick has made rapid improvements.

theathletic.com

Or going on a podcast in April, 2023 and talking about how cool it was to meet Torts.

That's true. It doesn't.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Some losers this fanbase has.

I bet this makes people want to play for the Flyers, right?


I hear players like being treated like shit by coaches and like being wrecked by team-affiliated media that once propagandized them heavily.

God, we might be worse than Montreal.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Granted, Torts is probably very hard to play for when you're in his dog house. But it can't all be bad. Also, Cutter will at the very least play 12 years in the league. A very small fraction of that would have been spent with Torts. I just don't like these types of trade demands and, in my opinion, it's not a good look for Cutter.

Yeah ans the two years under Torts finishing his ELC would have a massive impact on his career earnings.

How much you play and produce while on your ELC has a huge impact on the trajectory of your earning potential.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Another issue is the ELC is overrated, b/c if you're rushed, you get to your RFA a year early, but also get a shitty first bridge contract b/c you haven't shown anything. If you hit the ground running, and have a couple top seasons, when you become RFA eligible team is far more willing to give you big money early.

So for the ELC to be an issue, Gauthier had to be convinced he'd be an instant star, which was unlikely off his freshman season in college (and even after two seasons, not convinced he's going to be an instant 60 point forward). Which suggests he's either got an inflated opinion of himself or people around him are stroking his ego.

Yes, we are aware that you think nothing matters and the team never makes mistakes.


It's just that after years of supposedly never messing up anything that matters, the team is in a very weirdly bad place considering that. So maybe you're wrong, you know? Maybe all this stuff does indeed matter and it does indeed add up.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

This is why the ELC thing doesn't make sense. They knew Cutter didn't want to sign there 'a few months' after the draft. Like you said, a few months is debatable, but I think you can assume it was before the conclusion of his freshman year.

So what was the reason he didn't want to sign in the first place? He said it wasn't the first time they heard that either. So they had to have heard something from Cutter's camp prior to the world championships.

The Flyers PR Machine is working.

The Kevin Hayes story, multiple timelines, vague descriptions of the communications with Gauthier and his camp.

All meant to distract you from the most simple and obvious version of events: the Flyers front office / coach are in some way responsible for this mess.

 

[deadhead]

ASF does have a history of shooting from the hip.
He could have done what Charlie did, ask Hayes.

 

[Danko]

 

[Beef Invictus]

I would be way more excited about joining a team that has a ton of promising young players around my age with a clear rebuild timeline then I would be about joining just MM in a few years.

Especially after the team just lied to me.

I want to shout from the rooftops once more that Michkov's 3 year gap is a gift from the heavens that this team is squandering. Sell everything you can, collect all the prospects and young talent you can, get everything on the same page to maximize whatever window starts when Michkov hits his prime.

Instead of everything the team is currently doing.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

ASF does have a history of shooting from the hip.
He could have done what Charlie did, ask Hayes.

That's what an arm of a propaganda machine does though. He served his purpose as a useful idiot and the peons ate it up and took focus away from the organization. Mission accomplished.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I mean really that wasn't the flyers...it was Snow The Goalie

Yeah, that's the Flyers. They're a team mouthpiece via Jones.

 

[Danko]

last time they spoke was on a zoom call after the world championships according to EF.

On the zoom call Conversation about turning pro, the flyers said they couldn't do it at the time because his bonus would have put them over the cap and they didnt want an overage this year according to EF.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

last time they spoke was on a zoom call after the world championships according to EF.

On the zoom call Conversation about turning pro, the flyers said they couldn't do it at the time because his bonus would have put them over the cap and they didnt want an overage this year according to EF.

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Thanks, Chuck.

I guess all of those little things did add up to something.

 

[VladDrag]

The Flyers PR Machine is working.

The Kevin Hayes story, multiple timelines, vague descriptions of the communications with Gauthier and his camp.

All meant to distract you from the most simple and obvious version of events: the Flyers front office / coach are in some way responsible for this mess.

Agreed 100%. I don't know if they botched the ELC (which I still have trouble believing) or Gauthier did not want to sign for other reasons such as Torts//Briere. It could also be something else!

 

[JojoTheWhale]

That podcast originally said someone in the Flyers' org thinks it was Hayes. That's a report. I wouldn't go to press with it unless I had reason to believe it was true, but it's still fine when framed properly.

It's everything afterward where they clearly had a personal problem with him where all defenses melt away.

 

[Beef Invictus]

last time they spoke was on a zoom call after the world championships according to EF.

On the zoom call Conversation about turning pro, the flyers said they couldn't do it at the time because his bonus would have put them over the cap and they didnt want an overage this year according to EF.

It's f***ing insane this team is cap strapped. That is completely insane if true.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Can someone do the math here of if the Flyers traded JVR last year if they would have been able to stay under the cap? Please, please make that be the case. I need this.

 

[Beef Invictus]

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Thanks, Chuck.

I guess all of those little things did add up to something.

Sometimes I think that things matter.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Can we please stop pretending we know who is and isn’t coachable or listens to others?

I’ll make an exception for a guy who got punched by a teammate on television. That one can stick.

What about punched in the side of the head by their coach?

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Look, I get what you are saying, but we haven't done that yet this year. Lets wait until it happens to get all mad. It's not like we are in control of the outcome anyway.

Danny and Jonesy seem to have more respect in the league than chuck and hextall had, fake it until you make it. Hockey doesn't make sense anyway. Barely anyone knows what they're doing.

I said that the last 30 years. Gave them the benefit of the doubt for literal decades. They routinely disappoint. Feel free to hold out hope but nothing in this organization's history should lead you to believe that anything will be different.