Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[Hollywood Cannon]

Insert a baby crying gif everytime @Hollywood Cannon posts.

Try, I dare you.

 

[Striiker]

Woke up, remembered this happened, and realized that dreams really can come true

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

I think in the end of all of this, it's a wait and see to how it all pans out. Holding out to not play sucks, but also, I still feel like we're missing something from the Flyers end that could of influenced this. Either way, Drysdale will have a long cloud over his head from this and eyes will peer at him for a long time.

 

[Cody Webster]

Your problem is that you assume your assumptions are correct (regarding the first paragraph).

Welcome to the wonderful world of deadhead

 

[FadeToBlack]

Talked to somebody I know in college hockey that is well connected. He said Torts has nothing to do with it from what he heard. He says it boils down to money. CG wanted an ELC right after he was drafted, but accepted the organizations position that he should go to college for one year. He apparently told teams in pre-draft interviews he would play one year of college hockey if they preferred, but no more, so he was okay with the initial decision. After that, this past spring, he wanted an ELC again. Obviously, he didn't get one, and now he blames the Flyers for costing him two years and millions of dollars in career earnings, as he'll now hit UFA at 27 instead of at 25.

Wild.

 

[ponder719]

Taking a historical view here, this is probably a good decision, How many defensemen have we drafted and developed into stars for this team? Three? Damn near all our best defensemen, throughout history, have started in another organization; maybe Drysdale falls into that category. Wingers, though, we can make wingers into stars. Don't need Gauthier to be a unicorn, we can just keep doing what we do there, and develop the next guy down the line.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Talked to somebody I know in college hockey that is well connected. He said Torts has nothing to do with it from what he heard. He says it boils down to money. CG wanted an ELC right after he was drafted, but accepted the organizations position that he should go to college for one year. He apparently told teams in pre-draft interviews he would play one year of college hockey if they preferred, but no more, so he was okay with the initial decision. After that, this past spring, he wanted an ELC again. Obviously, he didn't get one, and now he blames the Flyers for costing him two years and millions of dollars in career earnings, as he'll now hit UFA at 27 instead of at 25.

Wild.

I think the most likely reason is money as it’s spoiled many relationships stronger than a prospect getting drafted by a team he didn’t like as a fan. Maybe Torts and Hayes played into it but I’d bet money is a big factor

 

[tinycars]

Why would any team want to trade for a player who refuses to play?

I feel like we are lucky we got anything for him.

 

[flyersnorth]

Bummed about Gauthier not wanting to come to Philly, excited that they got a top of the draft young defenseman in return.

My real personal annoyance is that Nolan Patrick was a bust and Cutter Gauthier didn't want to play here.

Frustrating to have two high draft picks just go sour.

 

[GKJ]

Just copying and pasting some thoughts

Just kinda realized that this is the kind of trade this board dreams of. A top prospect at max value being traded for real NHL talent-plus. Spent a lot of time here telling folks how these trades simply don’t happen, of course a unique situation forced it.

I’ve always been of the opinion that the the Flyers to truly move forward, everyone that was here had to go. Everyone. Even the good ones, and even the prospects. I wasn’t a fan of the pick, but I trusted Cutter even less because we drafted him. I applaud him for recognizing this was not a good situation for him, his reasons being what they are. The Flyers quite frankly don’t deserve to have all their problems washed away simply because they nailed people to the cross. The Flyers for years were doing this wrong, objectively. Whether it’s their operations, medical, engagement, or whatever. Notice was taken, and this was a good reminder, right or wrong to Cutter, that they’ve not paid off all of their sins. If they’re going to continue to do that by refusing to rebuild, then I guess the energy in universe is holding them accountable. Now consider what happens if Michkov doesn’t work.

I’m not trying to kick at the Coyotes here, but there were obvious questions about their situation with Cooley and subsequent rumors and they managed to get their guy signed, but a high profile, big market team like the Flyers cannot.

So far, including this trade, the Flyers have only moved out guys who did not want to be here. They’ve yet to move out someone who does. Don’t have a problem with Flyers fans being upset with Cutter about it though. This is really the first time since Lindros to out and out tell the team to go f*** themselves. No fanbase should be expected take kindly to that. I will not fault him for exercising his leverage, the irony is not lost on me that someone did it specifically against the Flyers. That said, you cannot have players who do not want to be here, and the Flyers have done nothing but publicly face their organization as one having players who do.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Talked to somebody I know in college hockey that is well connected. He said Torts has nothing to do with it from what he heard. He says it boils down to money. CG wanted an ELC right after he was drafted, but accepted the organizations position that he should go to college for one year. He apparently told teams in pre-draft interviews he would play one year of college hockey if they preferred, but no more, so he was okay with the initial decision. After that, this past spring, he wanted an ELC again. Obviously, he didn't get one, and now he blames the Flyers for costing him two years and millions of dollars in career earnings, as he'll now hit UFA at 27 instead of at 25.

Wild.

So let’s say this is true, the Flyers are the bad guys for promising something at the draft and not following through on it.

That just happens to be the exact opposite of the story the Flyers are trying to spin.

BC’a last game last year was a day before or day after Fletcher got fired so either it fell through the cracks (bad look) or Briere chose to not sign him (bad look).

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

This trade is making lemonade out of lemons, but it's our managements fault we were stuck with the lemons in the first place. So the trade itself isn't as bad as I had originally thought given he wanted out, so f*** him, but it's our own front office's fault that he didn't want to be here.

I don't think there's any issue with them trading him now as opposed to waiting, his value is almost certainly never going to be higher before playing in the NHL given his WJC performance, and the closer it gets to whenever he can walk (2026?) the less leverage they have. Getting a potentially high-end defenseman for him is good value but this was just an unforced error by this organization destroying its own reputation.

 

[Cody Webster]

I really wish that the Flyers organization would actually use this moment to look in the mirror but they won’t.

It’s frankly embarrassing for this franchise, knowing how they view themselves as this prestigious institution, to have a top five pick not want to sign here.

Whether the reason is Torts, the dumpster fire front office, team performance, etc, or a combination of them all it’s embarrassing but sure, it’s easier to paint Kevin Hayes as Olena Tyrell and Cutter as this villain.

Take this moment and look in the mirror and figure out how you can better yourselves, I beg.

It's never their fault, it's always the other person's fault.

Also, our beats are just the best. I love how they are all saying they knew something was up yesterday morning and were working on the information, but the trade happened before they were able to finish their research...bullf***ingshit

 

[FlyerNutter]

Also exhibit A in why declaring the rebuild over, which you can bet your ass they did… is so stupid after a couple of top 5 picks.

Don’t doubt that we are full steam ahead because Couturier showed he can be 1C still.

It’s ohh so predictable.

A couple more trades, and an FA signing or two - and we are good. Same old bullshit.

Moving Gauthier should have been a step back, but they found a way to get “nhl ready talent” - which I am sure was a must have.

Cutting corners as always.

 

[Rebels57]

Just listened to Jones' interview on 97.5 on my drive into work.

A Few takeaways..take them for what they are worth to you.

- Had nothing to do with Kevin Hayes. He texted Briere last night to refute the rumor.

- Jones found out before he was hired as PoHo while still in the booth. Once hired he and Briere were hopeful they could change his mind.

- Jones was never even able to talk to Gauthier and his camp one time to try and change his mind.

- Negotiations with Anaheim started around the 2023 Draft. Flyers wanted more time to try to convince Gauthier to play here before pulling the trigger.

- They felt his value would never be higher than it was after the WJC and could potentially go down if teams they were talking to started leaking his availability.

- They claim they were never given a reason by Gauthier and his camp.

- They are not letting the teams play and current standings deviate them from the "rebuild." They did not target a player simple so they could accelerate the rebuild in Drysdale.

 

[Cody Webster]

Talked to somebody I know in college hockey that is well connected. He said Torts has nothing to do with it from what he heard. He says it boils down to money. CG wanted an ELC right after he was drafted, but accepted the organizations position that he should go to college for one year. He apparently told teams in pre-draft interviews he would play one year of college hockey if they preferred, but no more, so he was okay with the initial decision. After that, this past spring, he wanted an ELC again. Obviously, he didn't get one, and now he blames the Flyers for costing him two years and millions of dollars in career earnings, as he'll now hit UFA at 27 instead of at 25.

Wild.

This makes total sense. I'm sure NIL deals in college hockey aren't as lucrative as they are compared to college football or basketball and it's not like he can make that money up when he signs his ELC because it caps out at 950K. So by staying in college he definitely lost out on that money. I guess they Flyers were hoping he'd be ok staying in college knowing what BC had coming and he has a great chance to win a Natty, but boy, did that backfire. The Flyers, and only the Flyers, are the reason Cutter is still not a Flyer right now, but they'll never admit that.

 

[FadeToBlack]

So let’s say this is true, the Flyers are the bad guys for promising something at the draft and not following through on it.

That just happens to be the exact opposite of the story the Flyers are trying to spin.

BC’a last game last year was a day before or day after Fletcher got fired so either it fell through the cracks (bad look) or Briere chose to not sign him (bad look).

From my POV, if Fletcher said one thing, that doesn't mean Danny is beholden to it. Also the situation changed drastically when leadership changed. It seems like under Fletcher, the fit with the plan was fine, but under new leadership, the fit wasn't there. I don't think it's really something you can point fingers at anybody about, as more as the relationship is simply a casualty of the larger change the Flyers are looking to make. It's a shitty situation both ways.

As a brand-new GM, you cannot hold to all the old GM's promises. You can't let a prospect roll over you either. You need to assert yourself as the leader of the organization, you need to assert your plan to rebuild, and Danny did that. I cannot begrudge him for it at all.

If there's anybody here that looks bad, it's CG imho, for his complete lack of professionalism and communication. I get he was pissed off about the money, but it's just money at the end of the day. I personally would rather have guys that play for the love of the game as the #1 reason, not money. That's the same approach I have to my job, I truly love what I do, and yes, I'm paid well for it, but money is secondary to the work itself. You don't become truly great at something because you like money... And I'll leave it at that.

 

[ponder719]

So let’s say this is true, the Flyers are the bad guys for promising something at the draft and not following through on it.

That just happens to be the exact opposite of the story the Flyers are trying to spin.

This is, of course, complicated by the transition from Mayonnaise McDipshit to Danny Boy. It's possible that Fletcher was prepared to give Gauthier what he wanted, but Brière didn't want to, and that ended up souring Gauthier on the team's process right there.

 

[Rebels57]

This makes total sense. I'm sure NIL deals in college hockey aren't as lucrative as they are compared to college football or basketball and it's not like he can make that money up when he signs his ELC because it caps out at 950K. So by staying in college he definitely lost out on that money. I guess they Flyers were hoping he'd be ok staying in college knowing what BC had coming and he has a great chance to win a Natty, but boy, did that backfire. The Flyers, and only the Flyers, are the reason Cutter is still not a Flyer right now, but they'll never admit that.

Lets not pretend Cutter didnt need another year in college. He wasnt / isnt some finished product so if he did bail on the team because he didnt want to play a 2nd year in college, I blame him for that more. Just my opinion. He has an inflated view of his current ability.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Just listened to Jones' interview on 97.5 on my drive into work.

A Few takeaways..take them for what they are worth to you.

- Had nothing to do with Kevin Hayes. He texted Briere last night to refute the rumor.

- Jones found out before he was hired as PoHo while still in the booth. Once hired he and Briere were hopeful they could change his mind.

- Jones was never even able to talk to Gauthier and his camp one time to try and change his mind.

- Negotiations with Anaheim started around the 2023 Draft. Flyers wanted more time to try to convince Gauthier to play here before pulling the trigger.

- They felt his value would never be higher than it was after the WJC and could potentially go down if teams they were talking to started leaking his availability.

- They claim they were never given a reason by Gauthier and his camp.

- They are not letting the teams play and current standings deviate them from the "rebuild." They did not target a player simple so they could accelerate the rebuild in Drysdale.

Thanks for posting. I can’t believe that Cutter’s agent, didn’t speak to the Flyers once since Jones took over.

That they had absolutely no clue as to why.

That’s bullshit. From the king of Flyer propaganda.

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

that screams they didn't do their due diligence

It tells me the kid was coached by his agents about all the right things to say to endear yourself to a fanbase. It's pure speculation to figure out what changed to not to want to come here. Could be any number of factors, that may not even include the team, as to why. People are allowed to change their minds after they stated something to someone.

 

[BritainStix]

Also exhibit A in why declaring the rebuild over, which you can bet your ass they did… is so stupid after a couple of top 5 picks.

Don’t doubt that we are full steam ahead because Couturier showed he can be 1C still.

It’s ohh so predictable.

A couple more trades, and an FA signing or two - and we are good. Same old bullshit.

Moving Gauthier should have been a step back, but they found a way to get “nhl ready talent” - which I am sure was a must have.

Cutting corners as always.

The flyers top brass has literally done the exact opposite to this in every way. What are you actually talking about?

Briere and Jones have repeatedly stated this is a 3 year plan and we are absolutely sellers at the deadline.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It's one year of an ELC. I wasn't as high on him as they were, but they looked at him as a high end core player. There's no reason to risk torching that relationship over it. It's just weird.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

From my POV, if Fletcher said one thing, that doesn't mean Danny is beholden to it. Also the situation changed drastically when leadership changed. It seems like under Fletcher, the fit with the plan was fine, but under new leadership, the fit wasn't there. I don't think it's really something you can point fingers at anybody about, as more as the relationship is simply a casualty of the larger change the Flyers are looking to make. It's a shitty situation both ways.

As a brand-new GM, you cannot hold to all the old GM's promises. You can't let a prospect roll over you either. You need to assert yourself as the leader of the organization, you need to assert your plan to rebuild, and Danny did that. I cannot begrudge him for it at all.

If there's anybody here that looks bad, it's CG imho, for his complete lack of professionalism and communication. I get he was pissed off about the money, but it's just money at the end of the day. I personally would rather have guys that play for the love of the game as the #1 reason, not money. That's the same approach I have to my job, I truly love what I do, and yes, I'm paid well for it, but money is secondary to the work itself. You don't become truly great at something because you like money... And I'll leave it at that.

You wonder how much he's willing to do whatever it takes to win a Stanley Cup. There's a reason why most Cup winning rosters are disproportionately Canadian: they will do whatever it takes to win a Cup. Not saying that Cutter doesn't care as much (his dad is Canadian so the Cup is likely revered), but someone whose priorities are elsewhere are a big red flag to me. But the Flyers organization may have just botched this entirely.

 

[FlyerNutter]

The flyers top brass has literally done the exact opposite to this in every way. What are you actually talking about?

Briere and Jones have repeatedly stated this is a 3 year plan and we are absolutely sellers at the deadline.

Let’s see what happens.

I don’t buy one word that comes from the mouths of these rats. Anything to preserve the image of the country club.

Rebuilds are not drafting 13th overall. This isn’t a rebuild. It’s a half ass retool attempt as always. Don’t fall for their BS.