Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[MayonnaiseOreo]

This is, of course, complicated by the transition from Mayonnaise McDipshit

I take great offense to this slur.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The NHL is earned not given. I actually know NHLers. We’re just whacking off with an extra typing step now.

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

"We don't know why he didn't want to be a Flyer"

They are protecting a dinosaur coach over the actual future. It's clear as day

Nothing that says that's true

 

[Random Forest]

Talked to somebody I know in college hockey that is well connected. He said Torts has nothing to do with it from what he heard. He says it boils down to money. CG wanted an ELC right after he was drafted, but accepted the organizations position that he should go to college for one year. He apparently told teams in pre-draft interviews he would play one year of college hockey if they preferred, but no more, so he was okay with the initial decision. After that, this past spring, he wanted an ELC again. Obviously, he didn't get one, and now he blames the Flyers for costing him two years and millions of dollars in career earnings, as he'll now hit UFA at 27 instead of at 25.

Wild.

Thanks for sharing. That‘s interesting and sounds plausible. Fans don’t consider it much, but a couple million dollars in career earnings is and ought to be a big deal to players. I don’t blame CG for that, if it’s the case, though I think it was incumbent upon his representatives to clearly communicate his intentions and the implications to the Flyers (which they didn’t).

It's one year of an ELC. I wasn't as high on him as they were, but they looked at him as a high end core player. There's no reason to risk torching that relationship over it. It's just weird.

This is also a fair point

I mean, isn’t this exactly what the people on here want though? They want a GM who is focused on cost controlling his assets and not rushing the top prospects to the NHL. Aren’t we supposed to want Michkov to take the full three years?

For the record, if Gauthier wanted to burn a year last year in order to sign, I would have done it 100%.

I can just see that playing out last spring if CG signed: “Ugh, this organization never learns. I bet they think the rebuild is over already! Why not let him go back for another year so we could collect assets and build properly??”

 

[Danko]

If he knew that he didn't want to play in Philly, why should he sit down and get lectured to by a bunch of Flyer flunkies?

It's just a respect thing, character thing...if you don't have the decency to talk to the team that drafted you its a bad reflect on you and your advisors.

 

[ponder719]

I take great offense to this slur.

Hey, just because you two share a first name, doesn't mean you're as bad as he is. My actual FN is common enough that I'd hate many of them, too. Down with nominative determinism!

 

[Hockeyville USA]

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8 of the top 9 players on the 2020 Cup champs weren't Canadian

Vasilveksy
Hedman
Sergachev
Kucherov
McDonagh
Palat
Cernak
Shattenkirk

They don't win without Point, Goodrow, Gourde, Killorn, Cirelli though. Red Wings were European top heavy, but the Canadian grit in the bottom 6 (Grind Line) made a huge difference in those wins.

Additionally, the 2011 Bruins, 2012 & 2014 Kings, 2019 Blues, 2023 Golden Knights were heavily Canadian

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Looking back on this with the facts that we have from last night....ASF and Snow The Goalie guys (who i typically like to listen to) come off as a complete joke. ASF in particular with his "nugget" about Kevin Hayes, guy needs to check his sources more often.

Was immediately surprised with how little the return was, i mean respect to Drysdale but Cutter would seem to me to have a much higher value....however looking back at it all i guess he did the best he could.

Crazy stuff here

• This dates back to the fletcher era
• Jones was never able to have a single conversation with the kids people.
• Kid ghosted the team, his advisors advised him poorly.
• Held the flyers by the balls and maintained a no trade list of over 10 teams
• Wouldn't talk with John Leclair or Patrick Sharp
• Sent the college coach out to tell Leclair and Sharp that he wasn't going to talk to them...disrespectful.
• Jones and Briere flew out to Sweden and Cutter wouldn't even talk to them.

He wouldn't get Dan Hilferty immediately on his show if he checked his sources.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's just a respect thing, character thing...if you don't have the decency to talk to the team that drafted you its a bad reflect on you and your advisors.

He did talk to them. He told them he didn't want to play here. No means no.

They don't win without Point, Goodrow, Gourde, Killorn, Cirelli though. Red Wings were European top heavy, but the Canadian grit in the bottom 6 (Grind Line) made a huge difference in those wins.

Additionally, the 2011 Bruins, 2012 & 2014 Kings, 2019 Blues, 2023 Golden Knights were heavily Canadian

The whole league is heavily Canadian. Including all the bad teams.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I mean, isn’t this exactly what the people on here want though? They want a GM who is focused on cost controlling his assets and not rushing the top prospects to the NHL. Aren’t we supposed to want Michkov to take the full three years?

For the record, if Gauthier wanted to burn a year last year in order to sign, I would have done it 100%.

They should base their decisions on what they think of players. I can disagree with the evaluations, but I have to evaluate their actual process based on their opinions, not mine. Given how high they seem to have been on him, it should be a minor issue to them. Same goes for Michkov.

With that being said, choosing to trade him for a guy already on his second NHL contract would be odd if this was the entire problem.

 

[Curufinwe]

Talked to somebody I know in college hockey that is well connected. He said Torts has nothing to do with it from what he heard. He says it boils down to money. CG wanted an ELC right after he was drafted, but accepted the organizations position that he should go to college for one year.

What makes this tidbit extra amusing is that we had a guy on here who really thought that Cutter would sign an ATO to play for the Phantoms this season, so that his ELC didn't start until 24-25.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

He did talk to them. He told them he didn't want to play here. No means no.


The whole league is heavily Canadian. Including all the bad teams.

The league is only about 42% Canadian now.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

They don't win without Point, Goodrow, Gourde, Killorn, Cirelli though. Red Wings were European top heavy, but the Canadian grit in the bottom 6 (Grind Line) made a huge difference in those wins.

Additionally, the 2011 Bruins, 2012 & 2014 Kings, 2019 Blues, 2023 Golden Knights were heavily Canadian

Are you sure you're actually from Central Ohio? Do you have a Canadian fetish?

We don't kink shame here so it's ok to tell us.

 

[Pet Charles]

Talked to somebody I know in college hockey that is well connected. He said Torts has nothing to do with it from what he heard. He says it boils down to money. CG wanted an ELC right after he was drafted, but accepted the organizations position that he should go to college for one year. He apparently told teams in pre-draft interviews he would play one year of college hockey if they preferred, but no more, so he was okay with the initial decision. After that, this past spring, he wanted an ELC again. Obviously, he didn't get one, and now he blames the Flyers for costing him two years and millions of dollars in career earnings, as he'll now hit UFA at 27 instead of at 25.

Wild.

You can all feel free to confirm this, but the Flyers could have signed Gauthier to his ELC yesterday and played him with the big club immediately, which would have meant that this season counted as Year 1. Assuming I have enough working gray matter remaining and I'm not wrong, I wonder what would have happened if Cutter responded to any of their attempts to contact him by saying "sign me right f-ing now and let me play in the requisite games to count this season or I'm never going to sign." I'm guessing that tolling the cap hit to maximize his ELC, for long-term cap purposes, was something the club was trying to do. With this trade, they're doing it with that prospect spot whether they wanted to or not now that they acquired Drysdale. Would they have done that with Gauthier? I don't know why not, if he gave them an ultimatum.

I caveat these comments by adding that I'm assuming what Briere has said about the Gauthier camp's lack of communication is true, because the more I work through some of the details, the more I believe them when they say that was the case. To me, that reflects negatively on Gauthier, not the Flyers.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Drysdale is 21 and still a young prospect.

So many of you are being huge babies about this and quite frankly it's a little embarrassing seeing some of you all act like this.

If the trade happened because Cutter wanted to play in the NHL this year and is mad he didn't get his money then f*** him. We don't need kids with egos like that when he wasn't NHL ready. God forbid the Flyers actually try to develop their talent for once instead of rushing them into the league.

I think Briere and Jones handled this probably as well as they could have. Maybe there could've been a better return but we got a prospect + a 2nd for a guy that's never stepped foot on NHL ice.

I'm bummed Cutter didn't want to play here and I'm as shocked as anyone else about the trade but there's still a ton of potential in Drysdale.

If it came down to the ELC, that’s such a weird hill to die on to lose the prospect.

But you do do.

With Drysdale’s injury history I don’t see it as a good trade, if you do. By all means.

I’d just say don’t believe everything this org spews. Perhaps it’s not as on the “other side” as my points, but this is a trash heap, and Comcast cares most about positive PR.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

My Eagles boy ESP weighing in on the Flyers - and having *zero* clue what he's talking about

 

[Curufinwe]

The league is only about 42% Canadian now.

That's still heavily Canadian.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I have a tough time believing that if Cutter Gauthier said "if you don't sign me this May, I'm going to walk in 2026 and will never play with you" - Danny would say "ok that's fine, go back to college buddy".

If this was really about money, this kid wouldn't have sat ANOTHER 2 years in college to tell the Flyers to F off. No chance.

It has to go way further than this, or Cutter's camp really didn't communicate with the team - which actually seems like the most likely explanation. This org - who is desperate to win and is desperate to win over public perception - would not let him walk over a money thing, they would have made the money or "loss of earnings" right for him one way or another.

I probably would have called the kids bluff - but I understand why the Flyers got Drysdale. I would have much rather preferred getting a top 5 pick this summer or last summer and tearing down even more than they did last summer - but I doubt that option was feasible due to no one wanting to trade a top 5 pick? The MTL trade that MTL denied which Charlie threw out made a lot of sense to me, shame they couldn't pull something like that off.

Not talking to Jones, Briere, and Sharp while in Sweden is embarrassing behavior - especially after Cutter telling Danny (with Chuck) a year and half ago that he was "built to be a Flyer". You want to leave, that's fine - he has a right to not sign - but I don't like people who handle business like that.

This organization has lost the benefit of the doubt in pretty much every regard, but I just don't see how you can rip them on this occasion? You might not like how they handled the current roster or lineup decisions knowing he probably isn't in your plans after everything - but in terms of Cutter Gauthier, I don't know if they could have done anything else.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You can all feel free to confirm this, but the Flyers could have signed Gauthier to his ELC yesterday and played him with the big club immediately, which would have meant that this season counted as Year 1. Assuming I have enough working gray matter remaining and I'm not wrong, I wonder what would have happened if Cutter responded to any of their attempts to contact him by saying "sign me right f-ing now and let me play in the requisite games to count this season or I'm never going to sign." I'm guessing that tolling the cap hit to maximize his ELC, for long-term cap purposes, was something the club was trying to do. With this trade, they're doing it with that prospect spot whether they wanted to or not now that they acquired Drysdale. Would they have done that with Gauthier? I don't know why not, if he gave them an ultimatum.

I caveat these comments by adding that I'm assuming what Briere has said about the Gauthier camp's lack of communication is true, because the more I work through some of the details, the more I believe them when they say that was the case. To me, that reflects negatively on Gauthier, not the Flyers.

Last year would have been year one. He would have signed with the club after his last game on March 11th. They had 16 games, by my count, left in the season at that point.

 

[Pet Charles]

It's one year of an ELC. I wasn't as high on him as they were, but they looked at him as a high end core player. There's no reason to risk torching that relationship over it. It's just weird.

I just wrote the same thing, albeit with too many unnecessary words!

 

[Flyerfan13]

Not sure how accurate but the flyers tried to trade cutter to the habs for 5th overall at the draft

Canadiens Reportedly Turned Down Cutter Gauthier Trade

The Montreal Canadiens could have added Cutter Gauthier to their prospect pool, according to a recent report. The Philadelphia Flyers reportedly offered the Habs a trade that involved Gauthier in exchange for the fifth overall pick at the 2023 NHL Entry Draft. The Canadiens refused the deal...

montrealhockeynow.com

 

[Redpath]

Talked to somebody I know in college hockey that is well connected. He said Torts has nothing to do with it from what he heard. He says it boils down to money. CG wanted an ELC right after he was drafted, but accepted the organizations position that he should go to college for one year. He apparently told teams in pre-draft interviews he would play one year of college hockey if they preferred, but no more, so he was okay with the initial decision. After that, this past spring, he wanted an ELC again. Obviously, he didn't get one, and now he blames the Flyers for costing him two years and millions of dollars in career earnings, as he'll now hit UFA at 27 instead of at 25.

Wild.

"The Flyers were overly patient with their top prospect, so instead they traded a hulking prototypical Flyer for an undersized RHD" is probably the last thing the our detractors would have ever expected.

If this is true, it's very stupid for management to be saying "But he wanted to be a Flyer pre-draft" when he was supposedly clear on the reasonable conditions for which he wanted to be a Flyer, which have since been disregarded.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Not sure how accurate but the flyers tried to trade cutter to the habs for 5th overall at the draft

Canadiens Reportedly Turned Down Cutter Gauthier Trade

The Montreal Canadiens could have added Cutter Gauthier to their prospect pool, according to a recent report. The Philadelphia Flyers reportedly offered the Habs a trade that involved Gauthier in exchange for the fifth overall pick at the 2023 NHL Entry Draft. The Canadiens refused the deal...

montrealhockeynow.com

Charlie said it yesterday.

 

[ponder719]

There's a reason why most Cup winning rosters are disproportionately Canadian: they will do whatever it takes to win a Cup.

Stereotypes are horse crap, even the positive ones. Individual Canadians may do whatever it takes to win a Cup. So can individual Americans, Swedes, Finns, Russians, anyone. I don't see Justin Trudeau out there busting his ass to win a Cup, he's doing something else with his life entirely. Most Cup-winning rosters are disproportionately Canadian because Canada has the best-entrenched system for developing hockey players at all levels, an advantage that is waning as more countries invest and build out their own systems.

 

[snoop88]

Gauthier is a bitch, but I think it’s hilarious the Flyers are leaking that they sent John LeClair and Mike York, and Chris Theiren and Robert Esche and every Flyer in history to “talk some sense into him”. As if some of 20 year old gives a shit about Flyers “legends” from the 90s.

This organization still thinks their alumni are the equivalent of the Lakers sending Magic and Shaq to pitch to free agents.