Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[BrindamoursNose]

Gauthier is a bitch, but I think it’s hilarious the Flyers are leaking that they sent John LeClair and Mike York, and Chris Theiren and every Flyer in history to “talk some sense into him”. As if some of 20 year old gives a shit about Flyers “legends” from the 90s.

It could matter if one of his concerns is culture, but we don't know his concerns so ::

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I give the Flyers credit for one thing:

Jonesy and Briere got out ahead of this. It could've been a major, major, MAJOR disaster. Don't get me wrong: it's bad...but they made lemonade of a bad situation. They somehow kept it quiet that Cutter didn't want to sign here, kept leverage in a deal, and now that he's gone they are making it *very* clear that Cutter is being a selfish, arrogant prospect who thinks they're too good for an NHL team.

Have to say, it sounds like they did everything right in a vacuum.

Now, my question is: why not the Flyers? was it really Hayes? did Cutter hear Torts was in for the long haul and he didn't want it? Because if it is Torts...I'm not happy despite this shocking competence shown in this deal.

pssst its Torts..

this is the way...

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Gauthier is a bitch, but I think it’s hilarious the Flyers are leaking that they sent John LeClair and Mike York, and Chris Theiren and every Flyer in history to “talk some sense into him”. As if some of 20 year old gives a shit about Flyers “legends” from the 90s.

This organization still thinks their alumni are the equivalent of the Lakers sending Magic and Shaq to pitch to free agents.

Well LeClair and Sharp are employed by the team as development coaches (I think that's their titles) so it's not like they're sending completely random alumni.

 

[Redpath]

I mean, isn’t this exactly what the people on here want though? They want a GM who is focused on cost controlling his assets and not rushing the top prospects to the NHL. Aren’t we supposed to want Michkov to take the full three years?

For the record, if Gauthier wanted to burn a year last year in order to sign, I would have done it 100%.

I can just see that playing out last spring if CG signed: “Ugh, this organization never learns. I bet they think the rebuild is over already! Why not let him go back for another year so we could collect assets and build properly??”

Bingo. We'd 100% be hearing about how the new triumvirate wanted to rush the rebuild by signing Gauthier ASAP, when it presumably would have been better for his development to return to a stacked BC team, have a strong World Juniors, work on his game, and maybe develop more at center.

And now that they did take the patient, development-focused route, they should have rushed him after all.

 

[Chinatown88]

The NHL is earned not given. I actually know NHLers. We’re just whacking off with an extra typing step now.

Do you know anyone that's a professional billiards player?

(This post was unintentionally diabolical because I want to believe you know someone for everything imaginable.)

 

[Curufinwe]

Gauthier is a bitch, but I think it’s hilarious the Flyers are leaking that they sent John LeClair and Mike York, and Chris Theiren and every Flyer in history to “talk some sense into him”. As if some of 20 year old gives a shit about Flyers “legends” from the 90s.

This organization still thinks their alumni are the equivalent of the Lakers sending Magic and Shaq to pitch to free agents.

It's like a guy sending his mom and dad to talk to his ex-girlfriend after she broke up with him.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

It's one year of an ELC. I wasn't as high on him as they were, but they looked at him as a high end core player. There's no reason to risk torching that relationship over it. It's just weird.

Rationale actor theory would tell you that this is definitely not the case. Danny, Dan, and Jonesy have enough emotional intelligence to recognize this kind of thing. It has to be something further.

 

[Pet Charles]

Last year would have been year one. He would have signed with the club after his last game on March 11th. They had 16 games, by my count, left in the season at that point

Right, but he could have signed right now, considering that ship sailed. A recent draftee throwing a fit because an NHL team exercised an option negotiated between the NHL and the NHLPA isn't something most people have on their bingo card - unless signing out of the draft was a promise made by the Flyers under Fletcher that wasn't honored by the new regime, a broken promise that was a bridge too far for Gauthier.

There are still a lot of details that remain unknown. Maybe Gauthier is mute and we don't know it, because the silence is all on his end.

 

[MayonnaiseOreo]

If it came down to the ELC, that’s such a weird hill to die on to lose the prospect.

But you do do.

With Drysdale’s injury history I don’t see it as a good trade, if you do. By all means.

Possibly a weird hill to die on, I agree - but he outright ignored Briere and Jones so we'll never know if they could have negotiated something where they ended up bringing him to the team this year. Cutter carries a large burden of the blame here and handled himself like a complete ass.

I'm also worried about Drysdale's injury history but who knows what other teams were offering? I have no clue how much leverage the Flyers had once it became known to other GMs that Cutter didn't want to play here.

I hope Bonk turns into a bona fide 2nd pairing guy but I'll agree that potentially the biggest f*** up was Briere not taking Perrault as insurance in the event that Cutter didn't change his mind about not wanting to play here - especially because this draft will be rife with high end defenseman prospects.

 

[Danko]

Bingo. We'd 100% be hearing about how the new triumvirate wanted to rush the rebuild by signing Gauthier ASAP, when it presumably would have been better for his development to return to a stacked BC team, have a strong World Juniors, work on his game, and maybe develop more at center.

And now that they did take the patient, development-focused route, they should have rushed him after all.

I honestly had thought that I read previously that Cutter prefered to stay in college rather then sign last year

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Do you know anyone that's a professional billiards player?

(This post was unintentionally diabolical because I want to believe you know someone for everything imaginable.)

Yes. Would you like to see my cues? I prefer McDermott for everything except breaks. I use a Predator for that.

 

[Chinatown88]

Yes. Would you like to see my cues? I prefer McDermott for everything except breaks. I use a Predator for that.

AINTNOWAY

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's never their fault, it's always the other person's fault.

Also, our beats are just the best. I love how they are all saying they knew something was up yesterday morning and were working on the information, but the trade happened before they were able to finish their research...bullf***ingshit

Truly amazing how, through everything going wrong for decades, it's never their fault. Ever.

 

[Random Forest]

They should base their decisions on what they think of players. I can disagree with the evaluations, but I have to evaluate their actual process based on their opinions, not mine. Given how high they seem to have been on him, it should be a minor issue to them. Same goes for Michkov.

With that being said, choosing to trade him for a guy already on his second NHL contract would be odd if this was the entire problem.

All I‘ve heard for months and years is that the Flyers need to take the slow road and ensure that they maximize ELC & cost-controlled years. But now when it comes out that they were possibly fully aligned with that goal, it’s the wrong approach? I’m just confused. Everyone knows this forum would have been bellyaching if they burned a year of his contract last spring.

The last point doesn‘t matter because it’s unclear who or what they should have targeted that wouldn’t have been on a second contract (or closer to it).

Bingo. We'd 100% be hearing about how the new triumvirate wanted to rush the rebuild by signing Gauthier ASAP, when it presumably would have been better for his development to return to a stacked BC team, have a strong World Juniors, work on his game, and maybe develop more at center.

And now that they did take the patient, development-focused route, they should have rushed him after all.

Don’t you know? It’s bad process. The right course of action was obviously the one they didn’t take.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Just listened to Jones' interview on 97.5 on my drive into work.

A Few takeaways..take them for what they are worth to you.

- Had nothing to do with Kevin Hayes. He texted Briere last night to refute the rumor.

- Jones found out before he was hired as PoHo while still in the booth. Once hired he and Briere were hopeful they could change his mind.

- Jones was never even able to talk to Gauthier and his camp one time to try and change his mind.

- Negotiations with Anaheim started around the 2023 Draft. Flyers wanted more time to try to convince Gauthier to play here before pulling the trigger.

- They felt his value would never be higher than it was after the WJC and could potentially go down if teams they were talking to started leaking his availability.

- They claim they were never given a reason by Gauthier and his camp.

- They are not letting the teams play and current standings deviate them from the "rebuild." They did not target a player simple so they could accelerate the rebuild in Drysdale.

The way they've gone forward with this knowledge seriously enhances their incompetence

 

[FLYguy3911]

No way.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's true though

Not for that reason.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Guys, forget your personal thoughts about athletes and money and all of that. That’s not relevant to Briere’s thought process. Or at least it shouldn’t be.

They thought they had a potential 1C/1LW and they apparently were willing to risk the relationship over ELC timing. That’s the story. They lost sight of the big picture. Period.

They've never had any sight of the big picture. A player tried to assert himself and this team historically is incapable of handling that. It's a major Clarke value, and one of many reasons why having the org flooded by people who share his values is trash.

 

[Random Forest]

I am once again asking, conditional on Gauthier indicating he had no intention of signing, what trade would have been preferable?

Doesn’t even have to be an offer we know was on the table. I’m just curious what “success” would have looked like to people who think this was an avoidably poor outcome.

 

[ellja3]

Haven't posted for a while, but logged in just to say how the morning was like, literally 5sec after opening my eyes at 8am

hb: ''why would the Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier?''
me: ''the Flyers WHAT''

Not gonna bring ''tell me how to feel about this'' question here, but if the guy did not want to sign, so be it. Certainly our upper management knew why precisely and if Torts is to blame. 100% that it has been mentioned here already, but they were trying to trade him already at draft, as per Charlie O'Connor or what the name of that twat was.

 

[Curufinwe]

I am once again asking, conditional on Gauthier indicating he had no intention of signing, what trade would have been preferable?

Doesn’t even have to be an offer we know was on the table. I’m just curious what “success” would have looked like to people who think this was an avoidably poor outcome.

Trading for RHD with recent injuries makes me nervous now.

So a more durable player would have been nice.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

All I‘ve heard for months and years is that the Flyers need to take the slow road and ensure that they maximize ELC & cost-controlled years. But now when it comes out that they were possibly fully aligned with that goal, it’s the wrong approach? I’m just confused. Everyone knows this forum would have been bellyaching if they burned a year of his contract last spring.

The last point doesn‘t matter because it’s unclear who or what they should have targeted that wouldn’t have been on a second contract (or closer to it).


Don’t you know? It’s bad process. The right course of action was obviously the one they didn’t take.

Brother, all I can do is tell you how I think about process. I can’t answer for other people.

Zellweger is also a Ducks asset, as I and others said last night. It is an incomplete thought because we don’t know if the Flyers wanted him or if Anaheim was willing to deal him. It is however decidedly relevant. So is why the Flyers might have preferred one to the other.

I’m still defending the Ellis trade for f***’s sake. I’m probably not determined to hate everything they do. I just want the juice to be worth the squeeze.

 

[Random Forest]

Trading for RHD with recent injuries makes me nervous now.

So a more durable player would have been nice.

I agree it would have been nice. Who though?

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Truly amazing how, through everything going wrong for decades, it's never their fault. Ever.

I agree with you that I don't like how they have proceeded AFTER knowing Cutter isn't keen on playing here. I actually despise the path they took. I feel hopeless this morning.

But I don't get how the new regime fumbled Cutter at all. What did you want them to do?
-Call his bluff? (I wish they did)
-Try to resolve the issue, get on better footing, and get him inside the building, and show him "hey look at the guys we have coming" - they tried and failed, it doesn't seem like they got a chance to even do so
-Trade him for another top 5 pick - they tried and failed

I just doubt Danny was told by Cutter - "I'm coming next season or I'm gone", and Danny was like "ok see ya pal"