Florida Panthers defeat the Carolina Hurricanes - 4-0, Advance to SCF!

[PBPantherfan]

They didn't vs TOR

 

[Ratsreign]

They didn't vs TOR

You actually were making that Zito avatar face when you pressed “post reply”, weren’t you?

 

[Mase]

Saying that they didn't get swept is not standing up for his players, it's just incorrect.

I don't think anyone with eyes and a brain can mistake the fact that Carolina lost 4 straight to The Panthers.

I also think anyone with the same faculties can see that Brind'Amour just wants to make sure everyone knows just how hard his players fought and worked for him, and each other, in every game of what was one of the most evenly matched contests against two similar teams(almost mirror images of each other in terms of style).

Essentially, he just doesn't want the substance of the games themselves to be lost in the outcome.

I have no problem seeing both sides of that.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I don't think anyone with eyes and a brain can mistake the fact that Carolina lost 4 straight to The Panthers.

I also think anyone with the same faculties can see that Brind'Amour just wants to make sure everyone knows just how hard his players fought and worked for him, and each other, in every game of what was one of the most evenly matched contests against two similar teams(almost mirror images of each other in terms of style).

Essentially, he just doesn't want the substance of the games themselves to be lost in the outcome.

I have no problem seeing both sides of that.

As a coach, I would be saying the same. They lost in four, but it wasn't an easy series for Florida.

 

[BurntToast]

The Canes defense feasted on the Devils and that contribution dried up.

The Canes couldn’t score, its as simple as that. I think the Panthers would have also beat the Devils if the 2nd round results were reversed.

It will be an interesting final.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

It's very strange. Like, there's that stat circulating that they're not even the only team to lose a series in four one-goal games so we all pretty well know that not every sweep is a blowout, but the amount of people who seem to think the terms are synonymous and have to do this big "oh well you know what he means, it was a sweep but not like a sweep" are confusing me terribly.

Blowouts are a thing. It wasn't a blowout. We all get it, still got bunged out in 4 games.

I honestly think the canes goalie saved it from being a blow out. No offense even meant to Carolina but they were outclassed in the forwards and defense while the goalies to me is only place where the competition was even really close (just imo from watching the whole series)

Same thing happened to the Habs when they went to the final and couldn’t do a thing against tampa. Thankfully we got a win tho at least but it was close and mainly due to goaltending from Price

 

[Thechozen1]

Vegas in five.

As a fan of neither team here’s my opinion

VEGAS is a lock. They’re not going to lose to the Panthers. I see the GOLDEN KNIGHTS sweeping the series!!!!!

Bobrovsky’s bubble is going to BURST and the wheels will fall off. It’ll get ugly. As I have posted elsewhere, it will be shades of Giguere versus the Devils. Even if Bob maintains solid play, it just won’t be enough.

 

[CatscratchFever]

As a fan of neither team here’s my opinion

VEGAS is a lock. They’re not going to lose to the Panthers. I see the GOLDEN KNIGHTS sweeping the series!!!!!

Bobrovsky’s bubble is going to BURST and the wheels will fall off. It’ll get ugly. As I have posted elsewhere, it will be shades of Giguere versus the Devils. Even if Bob maintains solid play, it just won’t be enough.

Sounds like you have potential to make some dough if you bet to your convictions.

 

[Sigurd]

The Isles barely made the playoffs,

Yeah, and the same is true for Florida and they're in the Stanley Cup Finals. So, what's your point? You acted like Florida was the only good team Carolina faced in the playoffs, but like the Islanders, they were a wildcard team that barely got in.

I know you have to keep up the mental gymnastics to keep your convoluted narrative going though.

and the Devils were possibly the softest team in the playoffs. Beating those two teams isn't something to celebrate, much like beating the Leafs also isn't.

You know what? They are completely comparable. Although when the Leafs "got goalied" they at least managed to win a few games in the series first.

Bob has the 3rd highest save percentage in the ECF against the Canes in NHL history since 79-80 with the current 16 team format. Yeah, keep trying to downplay Carolina. Something something not a contender.

The fact that you're using noted bandwagoner Biz in your argument really shows the quality of it right there.

I really don't even know what you're getting at with "bandwagoner Biz." My point was, he was one of MANY people in the national media that predicted that Carolina would neither win against the Islanders, OR New Jersey.

In fact, the sports reporter for the Raleigh News & Observer, Luke DeCock, pointed out that in all 5 years in a row the Canes have made the playoffs under Rod as the head coach, most in the national media predicted Carolina would not win the 1st round; he pointed out that Carolina did in fact win the 1st round in all 5 years in a row.

Sounds kind of like you. You're just constantly downplaying, or more bluntly, hating on Carolina. Maybe you're trying to cope with the Leafs struggles over so many years by trying to bring Carolina down to their level with your blatantly false narrative.

You know who brought up the Leafs? The guy I quoted. You'd know that if you had an ounce of reading comprehension. I find it laughable that me being a fan of that shitty team is used as some pathetic attempt to discredit my opinion.

The quote I saw you reply to was this with no mention of Toronto:

Nope, or at least you could tell yourself that. That Tampa team ran into the same hot goalie that just eliminated Carolina. To suggest that a 60 win team and the team that currently finished 2nd in the standings weren’t contenders is just a bad take. You may not like the way Carolina plays or whatever it may be, but a full healthy Hurricanes roster is more than capable of beating anyone.

To which you replied by bringing up Toronto:

You're no better than the Leafs fans who say they "got goalied" vs Montreal

So, either you're a liar, or you have an awful memory. You know what is actually laughable, insulting someone's intelligence in the first ad-hominem attack in a discussion with someone, while also saying Svech and Patches would not have made a difference despite them both being all-star tier players, and ALL games in the series with Florida in the ECF were decided by ONE goal; which you had no rebuttal to in my previous reply by the way.

Ok so now you want to keep moving the goal posts? First it was if the Canes were healthy, and now its if the Canes were healthy AND the Cats were hurt?

Thats what I mean, with this core. Much like Toronto hasn't gotten it done with this core. Toronto blows it in the 1st or 2nd round. Carolina blows it in the 2nd or 3rd. Pretty pathetic for both teams given their regular season "success."

Yet Florida didn't have much regular season success (same as the Isles who you said barely got into the playoffs and thus wasn't a strong opponent/real foe for the Canes), and thus we're reminded that regular season success only means so much in the playoffs; see Boston who was eliminated by Florida after a record setting regular season for most points in NHL history.

 

[Felidae]

 

[JKG33]

Yeah, and the same is true for Florida and they're in the Stanley Cup Finals. So, what's your point? You acted like Florida was the only good team Carolina faced in the playoffs, but like the Islanders, they were a wildcard team that barely got in.

I know you have to keep up the mental gymnastics to keep your convoluted narrative going though.



Bob has the 3rd highest save percentage in the ECF against the Canes in NHL history since 79-80 with the current 16 team format. Yeah, keep trying to downplay Carolina. Something something not a contender.

I really don't even know what you're getting at with "bandwagoner Biz." My point was, he was one of MANY people in the national media that predicted that Carolina would neither win against the Islanders, OR New Jersey.

In fact, the sports reporter for the Raleigh News & Observer, Luke DeCock, pointed out that in all 5 years in a row the Canes have made the playoffs under Rod as the head coach, most in the national media predicted Carolina would not win the 1st round; he pointed out that Carolina did in fact win the 1st round in all 5 years in a row.

Sounds kind of like you. You're just constantly downplaying, or more bluntly, hating on Carolina. Maybe you're trying to cope with the Leafs struggles over so many years by trying to bring Carolina down to their level with your blatantly false narrative.

The quote I saw you reply to was this with no mention of Toronto:

To which you replied by bringing up Toronto:

So, either you're a liar, or you have an awful memory. You know what is actually laughable, insulting someone's intelligence in the first ad-hominem attack in a discussion with someone, while also saying Svech and Patches would not have made a difference despite them both being all-star tier players, and ALL games in the series with Florida in the ECF were decided by ONE goal; which you had no rebuttal to in my previous reply by the way.

Yet Florida didn't have much regular season success (same as the Isles who you said barely got into the playoffs and thus wasn't a strong opponent/real foe for the Canes), and thus we're reminded that regular season success only means so much in the playoffs; see Boston who was eliminated by Florida after a record setting regular season for most points in NHL history.

The difference between Florida and NY is one team put on their big boy pants and started playing like a dominant team.

My point with Biz is that if your using a comedian's opinion as a basis for your argument, it's probably a shit argument.

Great, so they can win in the 1st round. What's your point?

The guy I replied to did originally bring up Toronto as if it were an attack, but if you follow the quote chain it looks like his message was deleted. Cope with this: Carolina's great core has just as much success as the Leafs great core: 0 cup wins and 0 conference championships.

Hey you shot first at me with the attacks. Don't get mad when your tactics are used against you. I'm all for a good faith argument but you proved incapable of that right off the bat.

They would have made a difference.. Mayne Carolina loses in 5 or 6 instead. They're good but not great. Certainly not good enough to turn a sweep into a series when. You're a blatant homer if you think otherwise.

 

[JKG33]

 

[Cats2TheCup]

Yeah two 30 goal scorers wouldn’t make a difference. Ok. We’re done

Those two 30 goal scorers. That's like one Auston Matthews. Held goalless against the Panthers. So those guys would get less goals than that.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

 

[Sigurd]

The difference between Florida and NY is one team put on their big boy pants and started playing like a dominant team.

My point with Biz is that if your using a comedian's opinion as a basis for your argument, it's probably a shit argument.

I already said Biz was one of many people in the national media. I already pointed out Luke DeCock from the News & Observer noted how this year, like the previous 4 years in a row, most in the national media predicted Carolina wouldn't win round 1.

Keep grasping for straws though to hurt "my credibility" as you said. Do research on the media's predictions. I've already made a strong case; it's not my fault if it contradicts your narrative.

Great, so they can win in the 1st round. What's your point?

You're part of the same crowd that hates Carolina. You literally said in another topic on the main board yesterday that you've never been impressed by Carolina. Which is why you've had probably the most posts in this topic among non-Carolina and non-Florida fans. You're thrilled they lost, and have been downplaying the success the Canes have had by acting like the Islanders (who "barely made the playoffs" like Florida and also has one of the best goalies in the world supported by great defense), and the highly offensive New Jersey Devils, who beat the Rangers (the latter being one of the cup favorites), isn't an achievement by the Canes since they were nothing as opponents.

Go to the Islanders board and the New Jersey board and tell them that. See what they have to say about your glowing opinion of their teams and them being such easy opponents.

The guy I replied to did originally bring up Toronto as if it were an attack, but if you follow the quote chain it looks like his message was deleted. Cope with this: Carolina's great core has just as much success as the Leafs great core: 0 cup wins and 0 conference championships.

Hey you shot first at me with the attacks. Don't get mad when your tactics are used against you. I'm all for a good faith argument but you proved incapable of that right off the bat.

What attacks? Challenging your wrapped narrative filled with mental gymnastics using logic and reasoning? Whatever attacks you're thinking of, it wasn't an ad-hominem like you committed against me by insulting my intelligence.

So, how about you take on your own advice and follow that quote chain to see. I'm sure nothing I say matters because you've been unhinged in this topic and have nothing better to do.

They would have made a difference.. Mayne Carolina loses in 5 or 6 instead. They're good but not great. Certainly not good enough to turn a sweep into a series when. You're a blatant homer if you think otherwise.

With Svech and Patches, the series becomes very different considering ALL of the games Florida won were by 1 goal margins as I've said several times to you now (never mind the huge injury to Slavin at the start of game 4). I don't know what the result would've been just like you if they had been healthy, but to act confident it would've still been an easy series win, and anyone arguing otherwise is a "blatant homer?" You're off, and just like you've been off in your many posts in this topic.

Maybe log off for a while because for a 3rd party fan, you've gotten WAY too worked up over this series for some strange reason that I'm sure has nothing to do with you hating the Canes right?

 

[Shane Diesel]

Raise the Cup, Panthers!

 

[JKG33]

I already said Biz was one of many people in the national media. I already pointed out Luke DeCock from the News & Observer noted how this year, like the previous 4 years in a row, most in the national media predicted Carolina wouldn't win round 1.

Keep grasping for straws though to hurt "my credibility" as you said. Do research on the media's predictions. I've already made a strong case; it's not my fault if it contradicts your narrative.

You're part of the same crowd that hates Carolina. You literally said in another topic on the main board yesterday that you've never been impressed by Carolina. Which is why you've had probably the most posts in this topic among non-Carolina and non-Florida fans. You're thrilled they lost, and have been downplaying the success the Canes have had by acting like the Islanders (who "barely made the playoffs" like Florida and also has one of the best goalies in the world supported by great defense), and the highly offensive New Jersey, who beat the Rangers (the latter being one of the cup favorites), isn't an achievement by the Canes since they were nothing as opponents.

Go to the Islanders board and the New Jersey board and tell them that. See what they have to say about your glowing opinion of their teams and them being such easy opponents.

What attacks? Challenging your wrapped narrative filled with mental gymnastics using logic and reasoning? Whatever attacks you're thinking of, it wasn't an ad-hominem like you committed against me by insulting my intelligence.

So, how about you take on your own advice and follow that quote chain to see. I'm sure nothing I say matters because you've been unhinged in this topic and have nothing better to do.

With Svech and Patches, the series becomes very different considering ALL of the games Florida won were by 1 goal margins as I've said several times to you now. I don't know what the result would've been just like you if they had been healthy, but to act confident it would've still been an easy series win, and anyone arguing otherwise is a "blatant homer?" You're off, and just like you've been off in your many posts in this topic.

Maybe log off for a while because for a 3rd party fan, you've gotten WAY too worked up over this series for some strange reason that I'm sure has nothing to do with you hating the Canes right?

Huh, apparently not being impressed by something = hating that thing. Any other lessons you can provide?

You say I'm getting worked up, yet here you are sending me essay after essay. Might want to take a look in the mirror on that one.

You keeping bringing up all these what ifs, which are you know, the real mental gymnastics. Time to face reality buddy

 

[Sigurd]

Huh, apparently not being impressed by something = hating that thing. Any other lessons you can provide?

Except you've written a barrage of posts in this topic alone dancing on Carolina's grave. Crosses over into hate territory when you easily have the most posts by a 3rd party fan in this topic.

You say I'm getting worked up, yet here you are sending me essay after essay. Might want to take a look in the mirror on that one.

You keeping bringing up all these what ifs, which are you know, the real mental gymnastics. Time to face reality buddy

See above. I also stepped away from HF boards for several hours since your last reply to me, and you literally replied in minutes.

Yeah, you get a gold medal in mental gymnastics just like you said the quote from you mentioning Toronto was in response to a guy that mentioned Toronto first, and that's why you brought up Toronto; then he "must've deleted the post." Sure he did. You're a liar too.

Also, you were the one who brought up Svech and Patches and them not making a difference in this series; not me. I think you need to work for the Kremlin with such top tier trolling and spin.

Sorry my "essays" are tough to handle when challenging your endless list of BS posts.

Gonna go to bed now. Maybe you'll step away from HF for a while too for once.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

I honestly think the canes goalie saved it from being a blow out. No offense even meant to Carolina but they were outclassed in the forwards and defense while the goalies to me is only place where the competition was even really close (just imo from watching the whole series)

Same thing happened to the Habs when they went to the final and couldn’t do a thing against tampa. Thankfully we got a win tho at least but it was close and mainly due to goaltending from Price

This is how I feel about it. Both teams got excellent goaltending, but the Panthers just had more scoring talent available in this series.

 

[Lempo]

I honestly think the canes goalie saved it from being a blow out. No offense even meant to Carolina but they were outclassed in the forwards and defense while the goalies to me is only place where the competition was even really close (just imo from watching the whole series)

Same thing happened to the Habs when they went to the final and couldn’t do a thing against tampa. Thankfully we got a win tho at least but it was close and mainly due to goaltending from Price

It is kind of sad that with Bob going full vezina conn smythe and the narratives being what they are, the kind of respectable performances by Andersen and Raanta got lost in the shuffle. Carolina didn't fall due to goaltending.

Goalies​

PLAYER	GP	TOI	GAA	SV	SV%	GA	SA	W	L	OT	SO	SGM-A
Frederik Andersen G	9	65:35	1.83	227	.927	18	245	5	3	0	0	0-0
Antti Raanta G	6	60:32	2.48	150	.909	15	165	3	3	0	0	0-0
Pyotr Kochetkov G	1	39:07	6.15	18	.818	4	22	0	1	0	0	0-0

 

[BB88]

Yeah two 30 goal scorers wouldn’t make a difference. Ok. We’re done

Pacioretty loss is purely on Carolinas management, get over it already.

I didn’t say Svec wouldn’t make Carolina better but to turn around a sweep?
There’s nothing to support that

Svec was very unimpressive in the playoffs last year

 

[Deleted member 339941]

 

[pb1300]

What do you have in mind? Any examples?

I'm not seeing it, so help me out. He's one of the more passionate coaches, and I thought people clamored for passionate people on hockey teams/behind the benches.

He's also well loved by his players and the fans.

He has that deer in headlights look sometimes, like he does not know how to compensate for certain situations. I am just spitballing here.

I do think that the Canes should have went all in at the deadline. I know they were after Meier, but they should have added some depth scoring up front. They were the team I was hoping the Panthers would face in the opening round, because they scared me the least (still scared me though).

They are also super soft. Not soft as in hitting, but fighting back. I know you dont want to put yourselves in situations where you would take a penalty, but fight back a little, show a bit of nastiness back.

Regardless, hell of a series, even if it was only 4 games. All the respect in the world to the Canes. You fans though, you're a bunch of jerks

 

[Leonardo87]

What time is Game 5 tonight?

 

[Thechozen1]

Pacioretty loss is purely on Carolinas management, get over it already.

I didn’t say Svec wouldn’t make Carolina better but to turn around a sweep?
There’s nothing to support that

Svec was very unimpressive in the playoffs last year

I have no horse in this race, but every game was literally one shot away from going in the opposite direction. A player like Svechnikov with his finishing abilities could have turned a couple of those games.