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I'm laughing at the people here shitting on Keefe for using "f*ck". Have none of you worked in any profession other than one where you can run to HR and rat on someone for swearing? I shudder to think as to how some of you would cope on a trading floor, mechanics shop, piloting, etc. All careers I've experienced, all profanity laced, and had zero effect on me or how I executed my job. Professionalism is a lot more than how you communicate in private. I think if cameras were allowed in pretty much any other profession at a high level, you would be hearing a lot of profanity used.

Choosing your words effectively and using proper word choice is just part of communication. I've never had to go to HR nor would I over something a co worker said to me. It's not a snowflake thing it's about self improvement and getting your point across effectively. It's no different than teens who use 'like' every other word. Poor communication.

goalie coach, and I have no issue with it. Honestly, swearing in hockey debate is common place, and I don’t think we should assume it’s any different at these managerial levels. End of the day they are all just hockey guys. We aren’t usually privy to these discussions so maybe their dynamic is just being blunt with each other. I’m not reading into it at all

In this context f*** off is just being used as a statement of disbelief to what Briere is saying to him. Just nothing but excuses for Andersen

I appreciate the input it does provide some context. Like I said I generally like Keefe, just a small area I think he could improve. If he expects the players to grow and get better I hope he holds himself to the same standard as a new coach.

I haven't played the game since I was young so I won't pretend to know how hockey is at the higher levels or how management is expected to conduct themselves. Can only say that in many other careers you'd be held to a higher standard of professionalism.

 

[Bluelines]

This sounds like an assumption.

Not really, these "reality" shows are famous for editing film together to make a person look good or look like a villain, there is no such thing as "reality" in the entertainment biz.

 

[TML Dynasty]

I personally liked the series. I'm just calling out blatant lies being told by some posters. It couldn't be any clearer that Keefe saw an attitude problem all season that he wasn't able to fix. Every review points out the same thing. The main boards are saying the same thing. Most fans here point out the same thing. It's just a few posters overall that created a false narrative about it.

Yeah that’s the message I saw as well. Hopefully the team listens more this year.

 

[TML Dynasty]

Not really, these "reality" shows are famous for editing film together to make a person look good or look like a villain, there is no such thing as "reality" in the entertainment biz.

Gotcha. Everything is shit. Even the good things are carefully edited shit. You’ve made your opinion clear. Why on earth did you watch if your mind was made up already?

 

[egd27]

Can be edited, but you said that it was edited to be happy story with sad ending in purpose. You don't know that "It was always going to be a happy story with a sad ending, and that's exactly what was presented." or was it that how they saw it and told it like it was.

I will rephrase..........

Since the ending was known, anyone that spent any objective thought on the series in advance of it airing, knew it was always going to be a happy story with a sad ending, and that's exactly what was presented.

 

[Bluelines]

Gotcha. Everything is shit. Even the good things are carefully edited shit. You’ve made your opinion clear. Why on earth did you watch if your mind was made up already?

I didn't watch and wont watch. Reality Soap Operas are for the wife not me.

 

[TML Dynasty]

I didn't watch and wont watch. Reality Soap Operas are for the wife not me.

Well thanks for joining the thread.

 

[Sypher04]

It's 100% clear that Keefe see's it as a problem and he's going to keep working at it. So it doesn't really matter if you refuse to accept the reality of the situation.

Oh gimme a break. I’m not rejecting the idea that during periods of lots of winning the team as a collective maybe have been hard to get to buy in on fixing issues. That’s often true about winning teams and not unique to us in any way. It’s well established in hockey, that it’s easier to get a coaching message across when the team isn’t doing as well. I AM rejecting the characterizations of Matthews and Marner put forth. One, because we have no idea who were receptive vs not within the team. And two, even if Matthews and Marner were among them at times, doesn’t mean they always were or give any indication to what degree

 

[Sypher04]

I personally liked the series. I'm just calling out blatant lies being told by some posters. It couldn't be any clearer that Keefe saw an attitude problem all season that he wasn't able to fix. Every review points out the same thing. The main boards are saying the same thing. Most fans here point out the same thing. It's just a few posters overall that created a false narrative about it.

Who is rejecting the idea the team needed to work more on their game during the season and thought they were more prepared than they were? You quoted me, but I’m certainly not. I just think it’s ridiculous to use a known team problem to then start attacking specific players when we have no idea who the real problems were and to what extent…

 

[Zybalto]

TB never led a series 3-1 and lost.
I agree with a lot of your points but the truth is Leafs were leading 3-1 and was dominating the Habs. There was a huge drop off in terms of intensity, level of play and urgency from Game 4 to Game 5. The Leafs-all of them- didn't show up to play till they were down by a few goals. The same thing happened again in Game 6 where it seemed like Campbell was the only one who remembered it was a playoffs game. That should not happen in any playoffs games.
You might see AM and MM as playing well but they were unlucky, ultimately they are the leaders of this team and if the team struggles, they will share the blame even if they got the stats to show for it. In a way, it is a compliment bc it shows they are important to the Leafs success. Thats why you see guys who are leaders will be the first to hoist the Cup and guys like Soup or Engvall will be one of the last.

Tampa never lost 3-1....although lots of good teams have.....they just became the 2nd team in history to win 62 games in a season and combined that to be the first Presidents Trophy winner to be swept in history....and then won two straight cups, mostly on the back of clutch goaltending....the same goaltending that failed them in the sweep.

The playoffs are crazy man...the Leafs could go 16-0 to the cup this year and I wouldnt really be surprised(ok maybe). The most important thing is to MAKE the playoffs. Its only 4 series and if you get that hot goalie or the other team gets banged up and you can run the table.

Probably time to stop overanalyzing that series now and look to the future though. Got one of the better teams in hockey to watch.

 

[The CyNick]

Then find a team you like to watch instead. It's just entertainment.

I don't pick teams. To me it's like saying oh this year at the Olympics I will cheer for South Korea because I like their speed skaters attitude and work ethic.

I will outlast this management group.

 

[Bluelines]

I don't pick teams. To me it's like saying oh this year at the Olympics I will cheer for South Korea because I like their speed skaters attitude and work ethic.

I will outlast this management group.

You don't pick teams? Did you pick Toronto?

 

[deprw]

Not really, these "reality" shows are famous for editing film together to make a person look good or look like a villain, there is no such thing as "reality" in the entertainment biz.

I didn't comment that being accurate documentary. You may document season that way maybe in the environment of the Last Dance, where you document it and publish it 25 years later. Even that kind of documentary couldn't give whole picture, because so much is happening around team of 20 people and think about NHL team with 30 players. There is also too much on stake to show everything and give access to everyone, it would be also even bigger nuisance toward coaches and players.

I commented those comments assuming that it's surely is someone kind of narrative and agenda towards team and front office that gets lots of heat here. It can be or not, but we don't know so it's assumption to say it's something you think it is. When it's said here like it's fact. Hopefully can watch it soon in Europe.

Whole discussion here is black and white, that it's annoying and you get stuck on discussion like this.

 

[kb]

Perfect...highlight the guy who had no clue how to fix things other than making Marner list perceived weaknesses of other players and reading them out to the room.

If you like this guy, it explains everything. And I mean.....everything.

 

[The CyNick]

You don't pick teams? Did you pick Toronto?

I mean I guess technically. But then is it a coincidence that every league that has a franchise in Toronto is the one I cheer for? As I said in a previous post, come Olympics time I don't randomly cheer for countries outside the one I was born in.

 

[Pookie]

Perfect...highlight the guy who had no clue how to fix things other than making Marner list perceived weaknesses of other players and reading them out to the room.

If you like this guy, it explains everything. And I mean.....everything.

Weird. If you really believe he had no clue, the guy who hired him for $8M is still here.

 

[Dreakmur]

Choosing your words effectively and using proper word choice is just part of communication. I've never had to go to HR nor would I over something a co worker said to me. It's not a snowflake thing it's about self improvement and getting your point across effectively. It's no different than teens who use 'like' every other word. Poor communication.


I appreciate the input it does provide some context. Like I said I generally like Keefe, just a small area I think he could improve. If he expects the players to grow and get better I hope he holds himself to the same standard as a new coach.

I haven't played the game since I was young so I won't pretend to know how hockey is at the higher levels or how management is expected to conduct themselves. Can only say that in many other careers you'd be held to a higher standard of professionalism.

Good communication is knowing how your audience best absorbs information.

 

[diceman934]

I'm laughing at the people here shitting on Keefe for using "f*ck". Have none of you worked in any profession other than one where you can run to HR and rat on someone for swearing? I shudder to think as to how some of you would cope on a trading floor, mechanics shop, piloting, etc. All careers I've experienced, all profanity laced, and had zero effect on me or how I executed my job. Professionalism is a lot more than how you communicate in private. I think if cameras were allowed in pretty much any other profession at a high level, you would be hearing a lot of profanity used.

He told an assistant to F Off. Never allowed a Assistant to talk in the dressing room. The use of the f words was directed at the players far to much. It was telling when Jumbo basically told him to gear down in the leadership meeting. Far to negative.

The tirades seem to happen far to often. goes to Dubas complaining about Mathews answer to a question then basically never addressed it with Mathews.

 

[mclaren55]

He told an assistant to F Off. Never allowed a Assistant to talk in the dressing room. The use of the f words was directed at the players far to much. It was telling when Jumbo basically told him to gear down in the leadership meeting. Far to negative.

The tirades seem to happen far to often. goes to Dubas complaining about Mathews answer to a question then basically never addressed it with Mathews.

Didn’t he talk to him on the ice before the meeting?

 

[diceman934]

Didn’t he talk to him on the ice before the meeting?

Nope.

 

[mclaren55]

Nope.

I watched it, he did. Maybe you didn’t see it? It was after his meeting with Dubas about it iirc.

 

[diceman934]

I watched it, he did. Maybe you didn’t see it? It was after his meeting with Dubas about it iirc.

He talked with him after he talked to Dubas but did not address the issue he whined to Dubas about.
You asked did he talk to Mathews before the meeting and he did not

 

[mclaren55]

He talked with him after he talked to Dubas but did not address the issue he whined to Dubas about.
You asked did he talk to Mathews before the meeting and he did not

It’s been a long day, I meant to type after and went full duh.

I thought he sugar coated it but I may have misinterpreted the on ice talk.

 

[makbeer]

Keefe seems like kind of an insecure whiner who desperately seeks the approval of Dubas, to me.

it didn’t feel like he has a good pulse of the team or had the instincts of when to be hard and when to relax. There has to be a balance between letting the guys enjoy their progress and success, and reminding them they can be better.

The one moment that bugged me the most was him running to whine to Kyle after Matthews presser. Why? Be an adult and just go chat with Matty to clarify things. And more importantly give your player a chance to speak his mind so you know where he is coming from before shutting him down.

BUT caveat being these are just tiny snippets from a long season, who knows what the rest of the moments were like.

 

[makbeer]

Of all people, my opinion of Dubas grew the most during the series. I think he’s a really good and smart dude and is going to be one of the best GMs in the league one day. I love his thought process.

That said, what is biting him now seems to be his loyalty. In business, you have to be able to have a clear line between friends and colleagues and he seems to more than blur that line. It is a tough lesson to learn and I’m sure he will figure it out.