First look at the All or Nothing Amazon Prime show

[peconcan]

Wow this gets me excited for opening night

 

[Isaac Nootin]

What are your thoughts about Spezza telling Keefe that his inclination was right about the the players were not happy with Keefe (because he was pushing them too hard even when they were a 1st place team)

What about the team meeting Keefe called and Joe Thornton said "I think overall the teams been playing really well, we're first in the league for a reason, so"

My thoughts are that's why this team folded in the playoffs, and why Jumbo has played 20+ years and hasn't won a thing.

Complacent after winning absolutely nothing.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Interesting so what if tomorrow Keefe is fired and it is released that Keefe was not liked by his players? Then will we you permit us to relive this discussion? The likeability of coaches have been discussed on these boards for years. Wilson was apparently the least like coach in the league, we discussed it a lot at the time on this board. Babcock was apparently among the most hated coaches in the league when and before he was here. It was discussed a lot on these boards. it was discussed on here. Tortorella apparently was chased out of Vancouver by the players a few years ago, the players in Columbus called a meeting with him because of his coaching tactics (when they were among the best teams in the league)... all discussed on these boards.

Now for the first time, we get to see how the coach interacts with his players, and we are childish to bring it up?

Your response provides nothing to this discussion. Tell posters why you think they are wrong, provide good rhetoric or evidence to support your claims.

Lets start with this:

What are your thoughts about Spezza telling Keefe that his inclination was right about the the players were not happy with Keefe (because he was pushing them too hard even when they were a 1st place team)

What were your thoughts on Keefe being so pissed about Matthews agreeing the team played too safe in his post game interview, that he went to Dubas and then discussed it with Matthews?

What did you think about Keefe blaming Andersen for letting in numerous goals in a loss and him refusing to discuss the issue with his goalie coach who said they weren't stoppable?

What about the team meeting Keefe called and Joe Thornton said "I think overall the teams been playing really well, we're first in the league for a reason, so"

Would this team have had more success if their coach wasn't constantly putting doubts in there heads about there abilities, right down to what they say in their post-games? Spezza has been in the game a long time and he agreed that the team wasn't happy with Keefe's response to them being a first place team. Thornton in the leadership meeting reminded Keefe that he thought they were playing really well and are a first place team for a reason.

It is discussed endlessly in sports, players have to want to play for their coach, sometimes it's argued plays have quit on their coach. Heck I remember discussion about how Detroit probably would have won more if Babs wasn't the coach! Maybe I am totally wrong - I have only watched a few episodes. I do think it is important for teams to have fun, and to like there coaches, so this I'm very interested in the relationship between players and coaches.

I’d say seeing as there has been absolutely 0 come out about the room not liking Sheldon would have you assume the shit others you mentioned pulled was significantly worse. This is a professional environment where striving for excellence is the only goal. If you’re not direct in your approach and constantly on each other to do better than why are you even there? As for the goaltending? Make a save. Period.

 

[Gabriel426]

To be fair, the guy has been in hockey for decades. He IS a jock.

I don't know what sports some of the folks on this site played, but the foul language sounded as natural to me as any of the X's and O's stuff. That's what a locker room sounds like. I'm more surprised that people didn't know this already.

I think that’s just show those who actually played competitive sports and those who didn’t.

The stuff that my rugby coach said pre game or during the game or in training were a lot worse. While players only retreats were pretty much parties scene from Wolf of Wall Street

 

[varano]

I thought that was an awful comment by jumbo and probably a good indication as to why his shart teams choked so often come playoff time, too comfortable being good and not pushing to be great.
As for Keefe, telling Briere to stfu was also the right move, I distinctly remember the exact same conversations here. “But it deflected what’s Freddie supposed to do?”
Make a f’n save.
This series did one thing IMO, it showed us the right guys are in charge, and with the right mix of players we will see good things in the future.

Your reaction is why goalies get run out of Toronto. Goalies need to stop clean shots. A fluke save is great but asking a goalie to stop a 90 mph puck that changes directions half way through its course is ridiculous. Especially when it goes off your own player. It's pretty f***ing easy to blame a goalie when you as a coach havent taught your players to clear the lane properly.

 

[Antropovsky]

My thoughts are that's why this team folded in the playoffs, and why Jumbo has played 20+ years and hasn't won a thing.

Complacent after winning absolutely nothing.

Don't need to tell me. I always questioned the signing of Marleau, Spezza and Thornton as mentors from day 1. I was the one saying why are we picking up guys stripped of their captaincy's, who've never won cups, one played the most games ever ... because he plays a safe non-physical game. This is the fault of Dubas and Lou though, not the players. However, there lack of ability to win doesn't mean they don't have a ton of experience in dressing rooms and with coaches and know what is reasonable and what isnt. These are two players who I think genuinely want to win a cup and aren't here to coast and collect the tiny income they are receiving.

So our coach is pissed because his soft natured players are playing soft? You built a system around a team, not a team around a system. Vesey shouldn't have been on this team... Period. Keefe was fighting a losing battle hoping he could turn him into a valuable contributor as a energy type guy.

Looks like Dubas has caught on with the signing of Ritchie, Gabriel, Bunting and Kampf is the player it sounds like Keefe wanted to turn Vesey into.

 

[Antropovsky]

My thoughts are that's why this team folded in the playoffs, and why Jumbo has played 20+ years and hasn't won a thing.

Complacent after winning absolutely nothing.

So your thoughts are that Jumbo and Spezza are playing because they need the <100000 dollars they were earning and don't want a cup? You also think because they haven't won anything in their careers, that they don't know anything about coaching despite having nearly 3000 combined games played?

Again interesting.

 

[Antropovsky]

I think that’s just show those who actually played competitive sports and those who didn’t.

The stuff that my rugby coach said pre game or during the game or in training were a lot worse. While players only retreats were pretty much parties scene from Wolf of Wall Street

Who played and who didn't? Guess Ron Wilson was hired without any experience in competitive sports. Anyways here is Ron Wilson kind of famous Hana Yo speech... I count zero swears and it's presented without much passion but I think it does the trick very well:



Peter Laviolette pregame speech - no swears



Bylsma - no swears

 

[thinkblue]

 

[Nylanderthal]

Your reaction is why goalies get run out of Toronto. Goalies need to stop clean shots. A fluke save is great but asking a goalie to stop a 90 mph puck that changes directions half way through its course is ridiculous. Especially when it goes off your own player. It's pretty f***ing easy to blame a goalie when you as a coach havent taught your players to clear the lane properly.

Yawn. The other teams goalie always seem to come up with them when needed. Make a save.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

It's almost like different coaches have different approaches and getting twisted into knots over cursing is pedantic.

 

[bbgobie]

So your thoughts are that Jumbo and Spezza are playing because they need the <100000 dollars they were earning and don't want a cup?

I got the impression Joe just likes hanging out with the boys. That's what he's known his whole life and he enjoys it. Does he wanna win a cup? Sure, everyone can say yes. Does he have what it takes to sacrifice to win it? Dunno if he showed anything special. Will he win one? Sure, who knows. Hockey's a team sport.

 

[Gabriel426]

Who played and who didn't? Guess Ron Wilson was hired without any experience in competitive sports. Anyways here is Ron Wilson kind of famous Hana Yo speech... I count zero swears and it's presented without much passion but I think it does the trick very well:



Peter Laviolette pregame speech - no swears



Bylsma - no swears

You are basing example of a speech here and there. Go to any pro sports game and get seats where you can hear the coach, they all swear.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I got the impression Joe just likes hanging out with the boys. That's what he's known his whole life and he enjoys it. Does he wanna win a cup? Sure, everyone can say yes. Does he have what it takes to sacrifice to win it? Dunno if he showed anything special. Will he win one? Sure, who knows. Hockey's a team sport.

Pretty much what I took from it. It was pretty blatant for those paying attention. there’s a reason that Spezz seemingly has a rolling deal on the table he takes year over and Simmer was quickly extended 2 years, meanwhile jumbo sat around until deep into FA only to end up in Boca del Vista.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Keefes voice will be tuned out rather quickly me thinks

 

[diceman934]

Keefes voice will be tuned out rather quickly me thinks

It has all ready happened. His speeches are attacks not much in the way of inspiring.

 

[diceman934]

Swear during a speech happens a lot. Swearing at your team should happen very limited. There is a huge difference.
More effective would be coming into the room toss a garbage can around stare at the players and leave. Say nothing. Tantrums should not happen much in a season. They quickly loose their effectiveness.
Threats should never happen.

 

[A1LeafNation]

About to watch all these episodes. Hoping for a great ending to the season!!!...fingers crossed.

 

[egd27]

The message Keefe was and is trying to deliver is it takes more than talent to succeed in the playoffs. Apparently the players still didn’t get it this past season. Hopefully they do this season.

That's not some unique message though.

Pretty much anyone that understands the game knows this and Keefe's responsibility was to get it across.

He failed to do so.

 

[Gabriel426]

That's not some unique message though.

Pretty much anyone that understands the game knows this and Keefe's responsibility was to get it across.

He failed to do so.

The message is simple and pretty common.
The question is, Why are the players not receiving this message? Is it on Keefe or on the players?
Call me old school, but if the players expect Keefe or anyone to cuddle them and tell them everything is rainbow…. I don’t think these players will ever win anything playing together.
Winning any championship is tough. Winning is never easy.

 

[egd27]

The message is simple and pretty common.
The question is, Why are the players not receiving this message? Is it on Keefe or on the players?
Call me old school, but if the players expect Keefe or anyone to cuddle them and tell them everything is rainbow…. I don’t think these players will ever win anything playing together.
Winning any championship is tough. Winning is never easy.

It's the coach's job to figure out how to get the message across in numerous ways. Each player is unique and a good coach knows what buttons to push to get the best out of them.
I realize that the series is heavily edited, but there sure didn't appear to be a whole lot one on one sessions that showed that he understands this.
The f-bomb laden rants or rah rah speeches are weak efforts that can maybe work when used sparingly, but should probably remain reserved for the movies.

 

[DarkKnight]

About to watch all these episodes. Hoping for a great ending to the season!!!...fingers crossed.

Have you seen Titanic?

 

[Gabriel426]

It's the coach's job to figure out how to get the message across in numerous ways. Each player is unique and a good coach knows what buttons to push to get the best out of them.
I realize that the series is heavily edited, but there sure didn't appear to be a whole lot one on one sessions that showed that he understands this.
The f-bomb laden rants or rah rah speeches are weak efforts that can maybe work when used sparingly, but should probably remain reserved for the movies.

Like you said, it’s been edited. I am sure there were more one on one and probably even speeches with less swearing.
I really don’t find the big deal or outrage in swearing.

Also, it is as much as the coaches job as the players job needing to listen and understand. Esp if the team have not won anything in the playoffs.

 

[Gabriel426]

Have you seen Titanic?

Titanic got a happy ending, she ended up living a life free from her mum and the fiancé, while having the Heart of Ocean Diamond. Lol.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Have you seen Titanic?

After the first couple episodes we first in the division, looks like we could go all the way boys!!!