Fire Shanahan/Dubas (Yay or Nay)

[Stephen]

Lou is miles better than Wonder Boy.
Period.
No amount of hypotheticals can change that.
You are completely guessing as to NYI future while Leafs future looks much more predictable , in a bad way.
Fire Shanahan.
Fire Wonder Boy.
Fire Keefe.
They are ruining what should have been a Chi 3 in 6 type run.
Disgraceful.

I don't think I'm being critical of Lamoriello. Just don't think the Islanders have horses to be a cup winning franchise. They are a well run, mid tier team that competes hard and values a completely different type of veteran program based player compared to the Leafs. Without guys like Brodeur, Niedermayer, Stevens, Elias, etc. this type of program ends up like the 2015-2017 New Jersey Devils.

Anyway, comparing Lamoriello to Dubas is obviously not going to look great for Kyle Dubas.

 

[Cleetus]

Lou gets star 3rd centre and playoff performer JG Pageau for nothing off his roster...

...Dubas gets Kerfoot for Kadri off his roster.

The amount of wtf decisions in such a short amount of time is truly staggering.

that guy shut down the Bergeron line to perfection....

 

[Steven1562]

Dubas philosophy doesn't work in the playoffs. We keep trying to be this up-tempo team but in the playoff there is no space. We keep trying the same thing with the same results. It's been extremely frustrating to watch us repeat the same mistakes year after year.

 

[Stephen]

Dubas philosophy doesn't work in the playoffs. We keep trying to be this up-tempo team but in the playoff there is no space. We keep trying the same thing with the same results.

We're not even really an up tempo team anymore.

 

[ItsFineImFine]

There's multiple coaches available right now who have actually won a playoff series meanwhile Dubas is just blindly throwing his fate behind Keefe who's failed twice now.

I'd be backing the Brinx truck to Gallant's home right now if I'm the Leafs since they can actually afford it and we're just screwing around here with same core same GM same coach, absolutely ridiculous.

 

[fahad203]

There's multiple coaches available right now who have actually won a playoff series meanwhile Dubas is just blindly throwing his fate behind Keefe who's failed twice now.

I'd be backing the Brinx truck to Gallant's home right now if I'm the Leafs since they can actually afford it and we're just screwing around here with same core same GM same coach, absolutely ridiculous.

Would love to get him. Even maybe as an assistant coaching capacity but I doubt he takes that

Dubas has too much faith in his young management team and they have failed. But I doubt he has the balls nor the smarts to get a veteran

 

[All Mod Cons]

True, but if they’re able to extend the player, it’s no longer a rental.

I agree with you they need another top tier talent that’s most often only found at the top of the draft, but he’s really built a good team behind Barzal. It’s disappointing we never got to see what he was going to do with Matthews/Marner/Nylander.

Bet the Islanders are gutted and wish they were in our position.

 

[17 Clark]

Bet the Islanders are gutted and wish they were in our position.

Is it funny we poached their best player we gave them two of our grinders yeah Kyle Dumass is clearly smart new GM how much more evidence just his fan club need what a great series it looks like Lou modelled them around the team we had a couple years ago you know the one I don’t win according to Kyle lmao

 

[All Mod Cons]

Is it funny we poached their best player we gave them two of our grinders yeah Kyle Dumass is clearly smart new GM how much more evidence just his fan club need what a great series it looks like Lou modelled them around the team we had a couple years ago you know the one I don’t win according to Kyle lmao

Don't worry. When we miss the playoffs/bow out in the 1st round next year, his fan club will demand one more year because it was (insert player here) fault.

 

[17 Clark]

Dubas philosophy doesn't work in the playoffs. We keep trying to be this up-tempo team but in the playoff there is no space. We keep trying the same thing with the same results.

What is stupid Your last line it’s the nail on the head clearly the definition of stupid what a great series the Islanders are a good team Old time hockey

 

[CelticDruid]

We're not even really an up tempo team anymore.

The first year of Babcock we had tempo to spare and then some.

 

[17 Clark]

Don't worry. When we miss the playoffs/bow out in the 1st round next year, his fan club will demand one more year because it was (insert player here) fault.

I’m not I have faith The only thing they can do screw it up I believe this team could go into the third. 10 minutes left game seven and still lose being up five nothing

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Besides Keefe, let’s not forget Dubas’ other coaching hire that has also absolutely stunk: Greg Moore.

 

[sparxx87]

that guy shut down the Bergeron line to perfection....

One of the most under appreciated in the league. Always been a big game player and continues to be at his best when the games mean the most.

 

[hotpaws]

Think of last years teams. Now tell me Dubas didnt do enough to fill those gaps.
This failure is not on him.

wtf did he do ?

he shifted cap from the frwds to improve the D and then filled the gapping holes in the frwds with washed up vets and trash off the scrap heap

the only reason people think he improved the team is because he got lucky to play in a trash division and even then he couldn't get out of the first rd

people are deluding themselves if they believe we would have had anywhere near the same type of regular season we had if we played in our usual division

 

[sparxx87]

I don't think I'm being critical of Lamoriello. Just don't think the Islanders have horses to be a cup winning franchise. They are a well run, mid tier team that competes hard and values a completely different type of veteran program based player compared to the Leafs. Without guys like Brodeur, Niedermayer, Stevens, Elias, etc. this type of program ends up like the 2015-2017 New Jersey Devils.

Anyway, comparing Lamoriello to Dubas is obviously not going to look great for Kyle Dubas.

But with Matthews/Marner/Nylander + prime age top 10 goalie and top 15 defenseman, this program could absolutely yield a championship or two.

I agree it needs top end talent to win and is unsustainable over a long period but life is short in pro sports, and a lot can change in 5 years.

If I told you they’d be in shambles in 10 years but win 2 of the next 6 cups, would you take it?

 

[Sniper99]

Get Dufus as far from Toronto as physically possible. Never seen a GM get suckered in trades by other GM's and contract offers from Free Agents. Get Keefe and Malhotra out of here too. Up 3-1 in the playoffs you need to have your team ready to go at puck drop and he couldnt do it. This isnt the OHL Keefe, this is the big time. Malhotra can join him too. Not sure what these guys were thinking letting him run the PP. I dont even remember a time where he was even on a PP unit when he played. Watching Game 1 of the Avs/Knights series and seeing Colorado's PP compared to hours, it seemed to be 1-2 good passes and bang in the net. Ours " no you take the shot, no I insist you take it, no you take it" Oh f***, over Rielly's stick and back down to Campbell it goes Too many playmakers on those units trying to make everything look too cute.

 

[hotpaws]

There's multiple coaches available right now who have actually won a playoff series meanwhile Dubas is just blindly throwing his fate behind Keefe who's failed twice now.

I'd be backing the Brinx truck to Gallant's home right now if I'm the Leafs since they can actually afford it and we're just screwing around here with same core same GM same coach, absolutely ridiculous.

Dubie isn't going to fire his bff unless Shanny or the board force him too .

 

[Team First]

it's pushing 20 years since the last playoff victory. wow.

on average that's about 1/4 of someone's lifetime. a hell of a lot happens in two decades. a baby in diapers grows up, graduates high school and enters college/university during that amount of time. and can we imagine, not having a leaf playoff victory during that entire process?

almost impossible to comprehend.

haha the bottom line is that this entire franchise is pure and utter garbage

there is without a single doubt, a real fundamental, inherent problem with the way this franchise operates in order for the same sh-t to keep happening over the course of 20 years. it's always different players, different management, but the result never changes. so it's not management, it's not the players - there's something else going on here.

...add to that 20 years the 30 years of Ballard/Stavros ...poof! There's your 50 years! No cups. You can only critique players on their season, not the past.

 

[ToneDog]

Gallant and Team Canada in the finals after oh and 3 start and looking terrible until they started play for keeps.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Gallant and Team Canada in the finals after oh and 3 start and looking terrible until they started play for keeps.

I'd kill for Gerard Gallant.

 

[hotpaws]

Don't worry. When we miss the playoffs/bow out in the 1st round next year, his fan club will demand one more year because it was (insert player here) fault.

so true . lol

and it's just like how Burke always needed one more year

 

[capfit9]

For everyone thinking of ONLY the playoffs next year just a reminder where this team was heading pre-covid/shutdown during a 82 game season, they need to make the playoffs first.

 

[sparxx87]

Think of last years teams. Now tell me Dubas didnt do enough to fill those gaps.
This failure is not on him.

They squandered a golden opportunity to make the final 4 but instead lost in the first round to a team that wouldn’t have made the playoffs in a normal year.

They crashed and burned in spectacular fashion, again, yet some still have faith in the pilot.

It’s almost unbelievable.

First round next year (if they make it) will likely be Boston or Tampa Bay. What do you think will happen then?

 

[Legendary]

Dubas can’t trade, can’t draft and can’t negotiate contracts...damn at least he’s good at excel lol