Proposal: Fire sell Habs

[67 others]

Halak, Ryder and a 2nd

 

[Soundgarden]

i'd personally keep a few others , dvorak, anderson, edmundson and evans. we could really only move toffoli ,savard and hoffman if they were hoping to leave to a contender. it's been hard enough getting free agents to come as it is , we don't wanna burn that bridge . primeau and guhle look promising. add a couple top five picks to that mix and our future will improve quickly. there are some other nice looking prospects on the way up , especially on defence in harris struble fairbrother mailoux brook . there are additional picks on the docket again . over the course of the next 2-3 years and using the salary retention allowed each year the following players can return more help . for example in
year 1 - chariot , kulak
year 2 - drouin , byron
year 3 - gallagher, petry
settling the weber / nashville situation will also contribute

The Weber Nashville situation is already settled.

 

[Mcdonaldz]

The Weber Nashville situation is already settled.

sooo you’re telling me Nashville won’t give us two or three first rounders so WE can do them the favour of sending them a retired player ? But wait but why nooooo

if they don’t want our help that’s too bad only trying ti help them loll

 

[glenbuis]

The Weber Nashville situation is already settled.

so if weber decides to retire nashville is just gonna take on all those cap recapture penalties ?

 

[Soundgarden]

so if weber decides to retire nashville is just gonna take on all those cap recapture penalties ?

Yes, for the thousandth time. Especially since the league decreased the penalty so that it wouldn't exceed his actual cap hit.

 

[glenbuis]

Yes, for the thousandth time. Especially since the league decreased the penalty so that it wouldn't exceed his actual cap hit.

ok

so that would mean the cap recapture penalties cannot exceed 7.8 million per year if i'm not mistaken

 

[ManofSteel55]

What's preventing Benson from having success in the NHL? Oilers don't really have quality depth and it doesn't seem like he can find a way to really contribute or move up the line up. At the same time, it seems like he's done with the AHL.

Ice time. Finding the tempo is the NHL game. He is adjusting from being a scorer in the AHL to a grinder in the NHL. People were worried about his speed but he doesn't look slow for a depth role. He needs more time to see if he will be anything.

 

[NMacrules]

What player would you like to have from the habs and what would you offer

Armia
Gallagher
Petry
Toffoli
Hoffman
Chariot
Lekhonen
Dvorak
Price

Leafs offer Mikheyev and a 3rd for Chariot. Really don't want anything else.

 

[NMacrules]

Trade #1

To Carolina: Anderson

To Montreal: Niedereiter

Hurricanes add a power forward in his prime to their lineup

Habs clear Anderson's long term salary from their payroll. Niedereiter's expiring contract could be attractive to a contender at the deadline, especially with 50% retention


Trade #2

To Columbus: Petry

To Montreal: Boqvist

Blue Jackets upgrade their D

Habs add a young Dman with upside, while shedding Petry's long term contract without taking back any significant salary in return


Trade #3

To Buffalo: Gallagher, Savard, Allen

To Montreal: 2022 7th, Dell

Sabres add a veteran RW to provide leader ship to their young core, a veteran RD to mentor their young D, and a serviceable veteran goalie

Habs rid themselves of the long term contracts of Gallagher and Savard without having to take back any salary


Trade #4

To Philly: Toffoli, Hoffman

To Montreal: Tuomaala, JVR, Lindblom

Flyers upgrade at LW

Habs pick up a speedy winger prospect, while also clearing the 3rd year of Toffoli and Hoffman's contract


Trade #5

To Chicago: Dvorak

To Montreal: 2022 2nd, EDM's 2022 3rd, Johnson

Hawks get a young Chicago native who's just entering his prime, while also clearing Johnson's long term contract

Habs pick up a 2nd and 3rd rd pick in the 2022 draft, while clearing the final season of Dvorak's contract


Trade #6

To Toronto: Drouin (50% retained), Evans

To Montreal: 2022 1st, 2022 2nd, Robertson, Ritchie

Leafs get an upgrade at LW in their top 6, and versatile bottom 6 forward who's a Toronto native

Habs add a 2022 1st, a 2022 2nd, and a LW prospect with upside in Robertson


Trade #7

To Florida: Chiarot

To Montreal: 2023 2nd, Sourdif, Hornqvist

Panthers get an upgrade on D, while clearing Hornqvist's salary off the books for next season

Habs add a speedy C prospect with upside, while Hornqvist could possibly be flipped with 50% retention to a contender at next year's trade deadline


Trade #8

To St. Louis: Edmundson

To Montreal: Bolduc, Scandella

Blues add a top 4 LD

Habs get a skilled prospect from Quebec to add to their long term core, and a Montreal native in Scandella to eat up minutes on their blueline during the rebuilding years


Trade #9

To Edmonton: Lehkonen (50% retained), Kulak

To Montreal: Lavoie, Turris, Ryan

Oilers get an upgrade to their bottom 6, plus a veteran Dman to provide depth to their blueline

Habs pick up a hometown prospect forward with upside


Trade #10

To New York: Armia, Wideman

To Montreal: Kravtsov, Nemeth

Rangers get some size and scoring at RW with Armia, while Wideman gives them some additional depth at RD. Clearing Nemeth out allows Hajek to take over at LD on the bottom pairing

Habs get an offensively gifted forward prospect who could benefit from a change of scenery, plus a veteran Dman in Nemeth to eat up minutes on the blueline during the rebuilding years


Montreal out: Gallagher, Anderson, Drouin, Hoffman, Toffoli, Dvorak, Armia, Lehkonen, Evans, Petry, Chiarot, Savard, Edmundson, Kulak, Wideman, Allen

Outgoing salary: 55.975 million

Montreal in: STL's 2022 1st, TOR's 2022 1st, TOR's 2022 2nd, CHI's 2022 2nd, FLA's 2023 2nd, EDM's 2022 3rd, Bolduc, Robertson, Sourdif, Kravtsov, Lavoie, Tuomaala, Boqvist
JVR, Niedereiter, Hornqvist, Johnson, Lindblom, Ritchie, Turris, Ryan, Scandella, Nemeth, Dell

Incoming salary: 38.37 million (not including prospects)


Approx. 17.6 million cleared from Montreal's cap this season... which could then be used to take on additional cap dumps along with the picks/prospects that come with them

You're out to lunch on most of them especially 1,3 and 5 and 6. All of them don't work.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Lehkonen for a 4th to Colorado

Man, this reminds me of one of those cheap skate offers on Kijiji where someone just throws out an offer to take something with positive value “off your hands.”

 

[Stuzchuk]

Dvorak for a 3rd

that would be the worse for MTL

 

[Boondock]

so if weber decides to retire nashville is just gonna take on all those cap recapture penalties ?

Why would a player currently on LTIR, with an injury that has been described as potentially career ending, chose to retire and forgo his pay (and potentially some level of medical benefits - I don't know all the ins and outs of the NHL retirement package) in order to retire? Sit on LTIR and collect your money since long term injury reserve is intended for people like Weber with long term injuries.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Man, this reminds me of one of those cheap skate offers on Kijiji where someone just throws out an offer to take something with positive value “off your hands.”

That is literally every fire sale thread on here.

 

[RC51]

I know everybody wants habs for free. with 100% retention of contracts,

 

[ottawah]

So you didn't watch the playoffs last year ?

If we go by the playoffs last year Mopntreal shouldn't need to make a move, because they are the top team outside of Tampa. But we know thats not true. Same with the players. A good run in a short period is not a reason to sign up for years at 6.5M. And the two players talked about had 12 points over 44 playoff games.

Like I said, easy pass.

 

[glenbuis]

Why would a player currently on LTIR, with an injury that has been described as potentially career ending, chose to retire and forgo his pay (and potentially some level of medical benefits - I don't know all the ins and outs of the NHL retirement package) in order to retire? Sit on LTIR and collect your money since long term injury reserve is intended for people like Weber with long term injuries.

because the last three years of his deal he makes 1 million per season . molson could pay him 1.05 million in a new management position just to screw the predators over

 

[HockeyVirus]

ITT Habs are a tire fire but every player is worth their max value

 

[Lockin17]

Would a team like Oilers or Canucks take Price at 8mil ?

Maybe for a first pick 2022 ?

 

[TFHockey]

Rebuilds take longer than 2-3 years Ownership isn't going down the path of a rebuild despite what media and fans think or want .

You are demonstrably wrong. Geoff Molson said yesterday that he isn't afraid of a rebuild and neither are the fans. He used the exact word "rebuild". You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[AmeriHab]

Allen could fetch a bit. He’s playing well, has been a starter. Signed thru next year. Could be a piece that’ll solidify a duo going into playoffs

 

[Habs Halifax]

Leafs offer Mikheyev and a 3rd for Chariot. Really don't want anything else.

I believe the Habs are after futures only if we move Chiarot. I don't hate Mikheyev but we don't need him anymore than you saying you don't want anything else we can offer. You're going to have to get in line for Chiarot cause I have no doubt there will be many teams looking to add him for a playoff run. Best offer gets him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Would a team like Oilers or Canucks take Price at 8mil ?

Maybe for a first pick 2022 ?

I would offer Price at 50% but only after he is healthy and playing well again. In that case, I expect solid futures in return for Price at $5.25M from age 34-38. I get it, he's not in his 20's anymore but he is still a game changer in net and could be a cup or no cup for a team like the Oilers. If other fans want to devalue him and offer crap in return while we retain, there is no deal and we keep him. Simple as that. We are not giving other teams a good run at a cup with a missing goalie piece that easily

 

[Habs Halifax]

ITT Habs are a tire fire but every player is worth their max value

Truth is more in the middle

 

[Habs Halifax]

been that bad ? thought is was a steady player on the back end

He's not horrible but not someone I would have signed. His value is not negative but if the Habs move him, we are going to have to take a contract back we may or may not like as well.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Who are those 6-7 core guys under 25? Suzuki, Romanow, Caufield, Poehling, Pazetta and Norlinder? Seems optimistic to call them all core pieces.

More like guys you retain and add to in the rebuild.