Player Discussion Fire Dustin Schwartz

[Raab]

Yeah, I wouldn't blame any goals tonight on the deflections. Defence has their guys tied up perfectly.

That first one was pretty well unstoppable by any goalie.

 

[VainGretzky]

If you made a movie about Schwartz,it would be called "honey I shrunk the goalies"

 

[Jumptheshark]

Top 3 threads are all fire threads. We had 2 good games and one bad.. gotta love this joint

 

[Sra1974]

Top 3 threads are all fire threads. We had 2 good games and one bad.. gotta love this joint

Well since those threads are all about a single player Ina pretty important position it’s not really about the team in the last three games, it’s about the performance of that player in his last 5 games(being generous there).

it should be no surprise there’s more to talk about after a loss, there’s more to dissect, and yes people are a bit upset and so come here to vent.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Well since those threads are all about a single player Ina pretty important position it’s not really about the team in the last three games, it’s about the performance of that player in his last 5 games(being generous there).

it should be no surprise there’s more to talk about after a loss, there’s more to dissect, and yes people are a bit upset and so come here to vent.

Campbell was a shit goalie in TO. He has not changed. 4 teams and 4 goaltending coaches later? We hoped he would be better here.. we were wrong

 

[Macblender]

Yeah but if Schwartz was truly the one lobbying for us to chase Campbell instead of keumper guy should be gone.

We have only went after trash goalies since Schwartz got here or they have significantly regressed under him.

Can him for sure

 

[Raab]

Campbell was a shit goalie in TO. He has not changed. 4 teams and 4 goaltending coaches later? We hoped he would be better here.. we were wrong

Tell me how many goalies go to the all star game one year and then the next year are the worst goalie in the league? I thought Campbell was like 5’10”, but he is 6’3”. Fire Dustin Schwartz and bring in a real goalie coach.

Bad enough we lost Frederic Chabot and hired this guy.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Tell me how many goalies go to the all star game one year and then the next year are the worst goalie in the league? I thought Campbell was like 5’10”, but he is 6’3”. Fire Dustin Schwartz and bring in a real goalie coach.

Bad enough we lost Frederic Chabot and hired this guy.

But we needed that Oil King experience.

 

[Macblender]

Tell me how many goalies go to the all star game one year and then the next year are the worst goalie in the league? I thought Campbell was like 5’10”, but he is 6’3”. Fire Dustin Schwartz and bring in a real goalie coach.

Bad enough we lost Frederic Chabot and hired this guy.

I wasn’t a huge Chabot fan either.

I don’t get why when the korns of the world etc are off contract we aren’t throwing a pile of money their way to help us turn the goaltending around or at least identify strong options.

Like if Schwartz is the main guy scouting and evaluating goalie mechanics going into the draft I have no faith in our draft picks spend on goalies. For instance trading back with Minnie and not taking wallstedt I like borgault etc but like was Schwartz a big reason we skip the goalie prospect? Or was he so in love with cossa he didn’t want wallstedt and looked past him?

Either way I don’t know is wallstedt turns out at all I am just questioning anything Schwartz does since I don’t think he can evaluate or coach. Not to make this as draft thread since I do truly really like borgault and think it was a great selection

 

[Raab]

I wasn’t a huge Chabot fan either.

I don’t get why when the korns of the world etc are off contract we aren’t throwing a pile of money their way to help us turn the goaltending around or at least identify strong options.

Like if Schwartz is the main guy scouting and evaluating goalie mechanics going into the draft I have no faith in our draft picks spend on goalies. For instance trading back with Minnie and not taking wallstedt I like borgault etc but like was Schwartz a big reason we skip the goalie prospect? Or was he so in love with cossa he didn’t want wallstedt and looked past him?

Either way I don’t know is wallstedt turns out at all I am just questioning anything Schwartz does since I don’t think he can evaluate or coach. Not to make this as draft thread since I do truly really like borgault and think it was a great selection

Look at the statistics of the goalies who have been coached by Chabot in Minny. Also remember we had the Dubnyk/Chabot combo playing behind an actual dumpster fire defence. That combo was not good enough for Mactavish and Chabot was not part of the old boys club. Makes me sick the ineptitude of this org during those years.

Until the Oilers take goaltending seriously nothing will change. The NHL is a competitive league and these guys just do not care. Look at Florida for an example. They have a department for goaltending excellence headed by Roberto Luongo and 1 of the best goaltending coaches in history.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Look at the statistics of the goalies who have been coached by Chabot in Minny. Also remember we had the Dubnyk/Chabot combo playing behind an actual dumpster fire defence. That combo was not good enough for Mactavish and Chabot was not part of the old boys club. Makes me sick the ineptitude of this org during those years.

Until the Oilers take goaltending seriously nothing will change. The NHL is a competitive league and these guys just do not care. Look at Florida for an example. They have a department for goaltending excellence headed by Roberto Luongo and 1 of the best goaltending coaches in history.

Dustin Schwartz was only hired because he was in their own backyard coaching for a league that's well below the NHL.

It's nepotism and no amount of posturing will make it look anything better than that. Since 2006 there was exactly one year where I'd say the Oilers had good goaltending and that was 2016-17.

 

[InTheBox]

Somehow Schwartz makes big goalies small. He did it with Koskinen, and now he's doing it with Campbell.

 

[Macblender]

Yeah honestly while he didn’t ruin smith I think that is basically since smith is so aggressive in the crease that he was challenging regardless. Whereas the rest just sink back

 

[Raab]

Dustin Schwartz was only hired because he was in their own backyard coaching for a league that's well below the NHL.

It's nepotism and no amount of posturing will make it look anything better than that. Since 2006 there was exactly one year where I'd say the Oilers had good goaltending and that was 2016-17.

If they want to keep it nepotistic they should hire Ranford. Holland should have fired this guy the day he was hired.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If they want to keep it nepotistic they should hire Ranford. Holland should have fired this guy the day he was hired.

Holland should've cleared out almost everyone from before his time.

Someone brought up a few weeks ago that one of the Oilers pro scouts has been here since 2009.

 

[Raab]

Yeah honestly while he didn’t ruin smith I think that is basically since smith is so aggressive in the crease that he was challenging regardless. Whereas the rest just sink back

Smith had his own goalie coach in the offseason according to some posters here. Would not be surprised if he did not listen to Schwartz as a vet.

 

[Macblender]

Smith had his own goalie coach in the offseason according to some posters here. Would not be surprised if he did not listen to Schwartz as a vet.

Interesting to know maybe with mike smith off contract they talk to him more so about the goaltending as a consultant on what he thinks of Schwartz.

He in no way shape or form should be a goalie coach though haha.

I am probably just grasping that I hope someone can get him fired

 

[McShogun99]

If Schwartz is onvolved in the scouting as well as development of our goalies then he should be fired if he gave any input on not drafting Wallstedt. Also for how almost every goalie we have regresses.

 

[Soundwave]

Schwartz proudly exclaimed in the summer that he extensively watched hours and hours of video on both Kuemper and Campbell and recommended Campbell overwhelmingly.

 

[Macblender]

Yeah get that man out of here he has no clue

 

[Roof Daddy]

Is Schwartz somehow related to Katz? Like, it’s not a crazy question given both their last names, right?

 

[foshizzle]

Yeah honestly while he didn’t ruin smith I think that is basically since smith is so aggressive in the crease that he was challenging regardless. Whereas the rest just sink back

Smith got external coaching after a Schwartz messed up his mechanics. The goalie coach worked on Smoth being upright and freeing up his hands…hmm, bad glove and always on their belly sounds like goalies in Edmonton the past 10 years

Dustin Schwartz was only hired because he was in their own backyard coaching for a league that's well below the NHL.

It's nepotism and no amount of posturing will make it look anything better than that. Since 2006 there was exactly one year where I'd say the Oilers had good goaltending and that was 2016-17.

It was Bob Green pushing for him…just like he did with Griffen Reinhard

 

[foshizzle]

Schwartz has coached Skinner for a long time and Skinner looks like a really well coached goalie to me. They spend all their summers together in the years skinner developed so I don't think the goalie coach is an issue.

Could also be that Skinner grew up watching the Oilers so he is specifically conditioned to expect horrific breakdowns in succession. He's been hardened mentally. As a MacTambLowe era Oilers fan, he likely developed a superhuman ability to shrug off gut wrenching despair

Actually, when Skinner turned pro he sucked hard and was demoted to the ECHL. It was Rodrigue who put in tons of time with Skinner and turning him into a pro goalie working on his mechanics and fundamentals. I think it was DNB who wrote an article on how Rodrigue built up Skinner to be a pro when he was floundering. I’m guessing Skinner is going to have a massive regression next year because those bad habits will come back being exclusively under Schwartz. Badly need to at least promote Rodrigue

 

[foshizzle]

This was interesting when I read it last year…

Oilers Should Consider a New Goaltending Coach - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

All the attention has been on the Oilers' goaltenders, but what about who is coaching them and has failed to see improvement?

thehockeywriters.com

 

[Ritchie Valens]

If Holland doesn't buyout/trade Campbell and asks what he needs to do to improve and Campbell says he wants to work with a new goalie coach or his own goalie coach in the off season and he improves next year, that should be all Holland needs to know.

I'll just leave this here:

Dustin Schwartz Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics and Records of Dustin Schwartz, a hockey player and coach from Stettler, ALTA born Mar 30 1979 who was active from 1996 to 2005.

www.hockeydb.com

This is the guy coaching and instructing pro-level goalies when he couldn't even crack a .900 save percentage himself at the junior level.