Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part II

[Lindberg Cheese]

The only thing to do with Chytil besides wait is to figure out a plan B and use the LTIR overage to get a 3C in here and fund our trade deadline. Hard to say how the timing lines up. In the long term I’m thinking his days as a C may be over and is now part of our RW solution leaving of course the aforementioned 3C hole.

 

[McRanger92]

The only thing to do with Chytil besides wait is to figure out a plan B and use the LTIR overage to get a 3C in here and fund our trade deadline. Hard to say how the timing lines up. In the long term I’m thinking his days as a C may be over and is now part of our RW solution leaving of course the aforementioned 3C hole.

Im not seeing the logic of solving our 3C issue by moving our 3C to RW

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Im not seeing the logic of solving our 3C issue by moving our 3C to RW

I said it left a 3C hole, I like holes but don’t consider them a solution.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Hard to speculate with Chytil. Good thing is they have him seeing the right people and hes skating on his own. Two positives there.

I wouldnt rule out Otty up with the big club, but I like the thought process after what weve seen happen with Laffy and Kakko. They need to put him in a position to succeed and thats not the 4th line.

But again - be careful how you interpret these tweets. Staple did not QUOTE the RANGERS regarding the plan with Othmann. Hes speculating. The Lindgren contract/trade discussion was also taken out of context as if it was coming from the Rangers when it was just Staples opinion.

"More likely they would take the same approach they have with Brennan Othmann: Plan on a full season in the AHL before thinking about time with the Rangers." "The preferred path would be to let him play a full season, plus playoffs, in a starring role there."

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Good news on Kakko - but where is the tweeter getting this from?

Theres nothing in Staples mailbag that mentions anything about him coming back after the break. Read it twice.

This dude is just making shit up

 

[will1066]

Hard to speculate with Chytil. Good thing is they have him seeing the right people and hes skating on his own. Two positives there.

I wouldnt rule out Otty up with the big club, but I like the thought process after what weve seen happen with Laffy and Kakko. They need to put him in a position to succeed and thats not the 4th line.

But again - be careful how you interpret these tweets. Staple did not QUOTE the RANGERS regarding the plan with Othmann. Hes speculating. The Lindgren contract/trade discussion was also taken out of context as if it was coming from the Rangers when it was just Staples opinion.

"More likely they would take the same approach they have with Brennan Othmann: Plan on a full season in the AHL before thinking about time with the Rangers." "The preferred path would be to let him play a full season, plus playoffs, in a starring role there."

There's nothing really to speculate about Chytil. It's not good.

People say maybe the Rangers are being careful with him. I'm sure they are. But look at Fox's situation. He's back and playing, and people think he's not 100%. The team, sure as hell, is going to be just as, if not more, careful with Fox than Chytil. Sorry, but that's just the way it is. Fox is a franchise player (in the team's eyes), and they wouldn't rush him back from injury.

All this just means that Chytil is not ready to come back.

 

[Vitto79]

Well they can take their time with Fil but if he’s not back in a few games by the deadline they need a 3C

 

[NickyFotiu]

My concern is not when will Chytil be back this season.

I just hope he is okay both personally and professionally in the future.

 

[haohmaru]

I hope he doesn’t suffer a similar fate to Sauer. That would be awful for the player and the team.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

There's nothing really to speculate about Chytil. It's not good.

People say maybe the Rangers are being careful with him. I'm sure they are. But look at Fox's situation. He's back and playing, and people think he's not 100%. The team, sure as hell, is going to be just as, if not more, careful with Fox than Chytil. Sorry, but that's just the way it is. Fox is a franchise player (in the team's eyes), and they wouldn't rush him back from injury.

All this just means that Chytil is not ready to come back.

Theres a huge difference between a brain injury and a knee though. A lot less mystery involved. So i dont think you can compare the two

Chytil could feel fine and be ready to play for weeks before they send him out with a contact jersey. Thats a decision based on the limited amount of science surrounding concussions.

With a knee or other muscular/ligament/skeletal issue if its good to go its good to go and you can play through pain/loss of strength without damaging it further.

 

[bhamill]

I said it left a 3C hole, I like holes but don’t consider them a solution.

Depends on the problem...

 

[bhamill]

There's nothing really to speculate about Chytil. It's not good.

People say maybe the Rangers are being careful with him. I'm sure they are. But look at Fox's situation. He's back and playing, and people think he's not 100%. The team, sure as hell, is going to be just as, if not more, careful with Fox than Chytil. Sorry, but that's just the way it is. Fox is a franchise player (in the team's eyes), and they wouldn't rush him back from injury.

All this just means that Chytil is not ready to come back.

Sure, but Fox's leg may just need to get back up to speed which can happen quicker if he's playing. It's probably not in danger of re-injury, just the player and limb need to get up to speed. So it's not a risk.
Head injuries however are way different...

I hope he doesn’t suffer a similar fate to Sauer. That would be awful for the player and the team.

THIS time I'd say no, the fact he's already been skating about 4 weeks at least says its not in the same league.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Depends on the problem...

If it involves making a flute or donut, your are correct sir

 

[will1066]

Theres a huge difference between a brain injury and a knee though. A lot less mystery involved. So i dont think you can compare the two

Chytil could feel fine and be ready to play for weeks before they send him out with a contact jersey. Thats a decision based on the limited amount of science surrounding concussions.

With a knee or other muscular/ligament/skeletal issue if its good to go its good to go and you can play through pain/loss of strength without damaging it further.

Sure, but Fox's leg may just need to get back up to speed which can happen quicker if he's playing. It's probably not in danger of re-injury, just the player and limb need to get up to speed. So it's not a risk.
Head injuries however are way different...

I get all this. At the end of the day, he's not ready to come back. And he's damaged. He's had like 4 concussions, and with each frag, it chips away at making a full recovery.

Even if or when he comes back, it's always going to be a worry about his durability. We were already cringy about him before the latest setback. I think we had just started to relax as he seemed to be better at staying healthy and then bam, another concussion.

 

[haohmaru]

THIS time I'd say no, the fact he's already been skating about 4 weeks at least says its not in the same league.

Yeah - I’m talking about career-wise not just this one. Hopefully never a worry.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I get all this. At the end of the day, he's not ready to come back. And he's damaged. He's had like 4 concussions, and with each frag, it chips away at making a full recovery.

Even if or when he comes back, it's always going to be a worry about his durability. We were already cringy about him before the latest setback. I think we had just started to relax as he seemed to be better at staying healthy and then bam, another concussion.

Sure but as someone else said, if we gave away any player with a concussion risk, we wouldn't have zibs right now, and would probably have moved him for pennies on the dollar.
We have the luxury of winning right now, so we shouldn't be rushing him back.

 

[will1066]

Sure but as someone else said, if we gave away any player with a concussion risk, we wouldn't have zibs right now, and would probably have moved him for pennies on the dollar.
We have the luxury of winning right now, so we shouldn't be rushing him back.

True. Winning definitely softens the blow of not having him in the lineup. It's definitely not as rushed to get him back.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Given Chytil's circumstances, I was thinking about Michael Sauer. Does anyone have information on what he is up to?

 

[RangersFan1994]

I hope he doesn’t suffer a similar fate to Sauer. That would be awful for the player and the team.

With Nolan Patrick retiring yesterday, I hope Chytil does not have to go through that in a few seasons. I wont be shocked if he misses the whole season.

 

[bhamill]

If it involves making a flute or donut, your are correct sir

Hahahaha. Or really need to get laid.

Yeah - I’m talking about career-wise not just this one. Hopefully never a worry.

I hear you, bud. Same.

 

[JCProdigy]

Just because it was reported that he went to go see the guy on the 26th doesn't mean that he went to see him ON that day. Entirely possible (probable) that he went earlier (even before he started skating) and got looked at and then green lit to do more.

It would line up with the latest we've gotten based off of the article posted above



As in he's still skating now. They wouldn't allow him to keep skating had anything resurfaced.

Yeah, to your first point, that's why I specifically made sure to put recently in quotes as we just don't know the exact timeline for the facts laid bare. Agreed though that with a subject having multiple concussions it would be logical to send him to a neurologist that specializes in post-concussion care/recovery to perform his own examination and set up a recovery plan going forward.

Also, we cannot ignore the player's role in the decision for his return. It's not only up to the team. What I mean is, even being symptom free (and there are psychological symptoms possible), Chytil has to be prepared mentally to return to full contact hockey, knowing that he has multiple concussions behind him.

 

[TGWL]

Given Chytil's circumstances, I was thinking about Michael Sauer. Does anyone have information on what he is up to?

Sauer became an electrical engineer. Then, he was (maybe still?) working as a recruiter.

 

[SA16]

With Nolan Patrick retiring yesterday, I hope Chytil does not have to go through that in a few seasons. I wont be shocked if he misses the whole season.

That was a false report

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I get all this. At the end of the day, he's not ready to come back. And he's damaged. He's had like 4 concussions, and with each frag, it chips away at making a full recovery.

Even if or when he comes back, it's always going to be a worry about his durability. We were already cringy about him before the latest setback. I think we had just started to relax as he seemed to be better at staying healthy and then bam, another concussion.

AND we had to struggle to figure out when it happened. It wasnt a clear cut hit to the noggin or a classic whiplash of any kind. I thought it was a wrist injury when he collided with Fast.

Which likely makes it even more serious

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

It actually looked like Fast got the worst of it

If you slow it down, it does look like Fast's shoulder comes in contact with Filips chin, so thats where the head contact could be. And you can also see a pretty distinct head jiggle from the first view of the replay. The brain could get rattled around in that instance, especially when you arent prepared and dont have time to brace yourself.

But as discussed, concussions are an odd thing. You dont necessarily need to have a glaring hit to the dome to get a concussion, especially if youve had a history of them

Either way it looks like Chytil knew right after.