F Teuvo Teräväinen (2012, 18th overall, Chicago) ‎II

[Jussi]

Being honest for once - and not trolling, having "bad" wingers is no excuse for bad performance. Good centers are able to make players around them better, which Teravainen certainly isn't able to do. He is playing with Janne Lahti, who was solid last season, so was Moses. I don't think his wingers are that "bad"

Janne Lahti was anything but solid last season in KHL. Steve Moses also went from January to until a few weeks ago 26 games while scoring only 3+3 in that time period. The jury's still out on him whether his stats were inflated by Erik Karlsson last season. Right now he seems to need 10 shots or more to score a goal which isn't a sign of a goal scorer. The biggest issue is that both are bit of puck hogs and don't gel on the same line with Teräväinen.

 

[Gabranth]

Janne Lahti was anything but solid last season in KHL. Steve Moses also went from January to until a few weeks ago 26 games while scoring only 3+3 in that time period. The jury's still out on him whether his stats were inflated by Erik Karlsson last season. Right now he seems to need 10 shots or more to score a goal which isn't a sign of a goal scorer. The biggest issue is that both are bit of puck hogs and don't gel on the same line with Teräväinen.

Hahaha, I was actually looking at his old stats in Liiga not KHL. I don't really follow KHL that much, so I can't say how he played there. It seems like he isn't what he used to be, I remember him being a good player in Liiga. I think people have some right to say that his wingers kinda suck, but they certainly haven't improved since the return of Teravainen.

 

[Jussi]

Hahaha, I was actually looking at his old stats in Liiga not KHL. I don't really follow KHL that much, so I can't say how he played there. It seems like he isn't what he used to be, I remember him being a good player in Liiga. I think people have some right to say that his wingers kinda suck, but they certainly haven't improved since the return of Teravainen.

KHL completely ruined Lahti.

 

[krazyhawk]

Being honest for once - and not trolling, having "bad" wingers is no excuse for bad performance. Good centers are able to make players around them better, which Teravainen certainly isn't able to do. He is playing with Janne Lahti, who was solid last season, so was Moses. I don't think his wingers are that "bad"

I didn't like that Hawks drafted this guy, and I don't see him as a TOP 6 players in the NHL. As I've stated many times, most Finns just hype up their players, I dare you to find a post by a Finn that isn't biased, made by me, or making excuses like "bad wingers" or "terrible team" in this topic. You can go and watch a NHL stream, It's always full of Finnish people that trash talk or hype up Finnish players. "Crosby is terrible, Granlund will be a lot better player" is a word not uncommon to Finnish people in these chat rooms.

On off topic - Florida isn't exactly the best team either. I've watched a few games of Barkov, he looks solid out there. I know he has "ok" wingers around him, but they're certainly not the best out there. And it seems like that he and Huberdeau have now been separated. He was still able to produce with Fleischmann and Boyes. Granlund also seems to have improved. Teravainen on the other hand - is a lot worse than those two IMO.

He is also really small (but so is Granlund, but Granlund is way more skilled) and to make it in the NHL as a small guy, you must have exceptional skill set. He might make it, but I don't see that yet. He will probably be a second liner at best, IF HE MAKES IT.

Havent seen any FEL games so I cant comment on how he's played since being home,but while over here he showed enough to make most of us believe he can indeed be a top6 NHLer.Dont know why you dislike him so much but you need to realise something.He is a 19yr old lightweight playing against men for starters.Then he's thrown to the wolves by being shifted to center and having to learn the position on the job.To complicate it more he has to do this as the #1c.Not given a chance to come in as the #2 or 3c.just you're the #1c go learn.Make no mistake,the vast majority of players thrown into that spot would struggle under those circumstances with good wingers,and by most accounts those wingers he has arent exactly world beaters.Besides its only the start of the season yet,wait til the end of the year and judge his performance then.If his play hasnt progressed by then you could be right and he'll never make it.However his body of work from last year and this year,in both domestic and international play,as well as various camps,seems to point one thing,you're wrong about him.

As for Barkov producing with Fleischmann and Boyes.LOL Fleischmann is better than any winger on TTs team and Boyes would make their top6.Any comparison between those 3 and TTs line is ridiculous.They are nothing alike.Fleischmann especially has been producing consistently for yrs now.In fact I'd suggest thats Barkovs production has been improved by him rather than the other way around.

One more thing,if TT is indeed "only" a 2nd liner at best,thats just fine with us Hawk fans.After all,we have Toews and Kane on the !st line and would be quite happy dropping TT to the 2nd between Sharp and Hossa.Might be a little bit better than who he's playing with now.

 

[Gabranth]

Havent seen any FEL games so I cant comment on how he's played since being home,but while over here he showed enough to make most of us believe he can indeed be a top6 NHLer.Dont know why you dislike him so much but you need to realise something.He is a 19yr old lightweight playing against men for starters.Then he's thrown to the wolves by being shifted to center and having to learn the position on the job.To complicate it more he has to do this as the #1c.Not given a chance to come in as the #2 or 3c.just you're the #1c go learn.Make no mistake,the vast majority of players thrown into that spot would struggle under those circumstances with good wingers,and by most accounts those wingers he has arent exactly world beaters.Besides its only the start of the season yet,wait til the end of the year and judge his performance then.If his play hasnt progressed by then you could be right and he'll never make it.However his body of work from last year and this year,in both domestic and international play,as well as various camps,seems to point one thing,you're wrong about him.

As for Barkov producing with Fleischmann and Boyes.LOL Fleischmann is better than any winger on TTs team and Boyes would make their top6.Any comparison between those 3 and TTs line is ridiculous.They are nothing alike.Fleischmann especially has been producing consistently for yrs now.In fact I'd suggest thats Barkovs production has been improved by him rather than the other way around.

One more thing,if TT is indeed "only" a 2nd liner at best,thats just fine with us Hawk fans.After all,we have Toews and Kane on the !st line and would be quite happy dropping TT to the 2nd between Sharp and Hossa.Might be a little bit better than who he's playing with now.

Fleischmann and Boyes are obviously better than TT's wingers, but you also have to take it into consideration that TT is playing against Liiga players not NHL players. I'm just worried because he can't produce in Liiga, and never really has. He also dropped quite a lot during the draft not to mention his latest WJC tournament, 5 games and only 2 assists.

I might be too quick to judge, since the guy has whole career ahead of him...

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Fleischmann and Boyes are obviously better than TT's wingers, but you also have to take it into consideration that TT is playing against Liiga players not NHL players. I'm just worried because he can't produce in Liiga, and never really has. He also dropped quite a lot during the draft not to mention his latest WJC tournament, 5 games and only 2 assists.

I might be too quick to judge, since the guy has whole career ahead of him...

The fact remains that when he was at training camp in Chicago, the coaching staff was extremely impressed by him - so much so apparently there was some discussion about him staying with the team this year (and playing in the AHL if he couldn't stick) but it was decided it would be too hard to get him out of his contract with Jokerit and it would also be better just to stick with the initial plan. If the coaching/management in Chicago, who are professionals, seem very excited about him, there is no reason for the Blackhawks fans not to be.

Also, although you say he "dropped" in the draft, the Blackhawks themselves had him ranked much higher than where they selected him - so much so that when they picked him they didn't have a name plate for his jersey because they did not think there was any chance he would be available where they were picking. Moreover, being a first round pick, 18th overall, is nothing to sniff at - that's not a draft position of someone who seems to have little chance to stick in the NHL.

Edit - wait a minute, who are his linemates?...are they Steve Moses and Jinne Lahti? If they are, I notice that while Teuvo has 2 points in 7 games, Moses has an even more pathetic 3 points in 12 games while Lahti has 2 points in 12 games. You have the gall to talk bad about Teuvo when it appears his meagre 2 points in 7 games is the most impressive stats of those three players

according to elite prospects, Jokerit has 2 players in the top 75 for scoring and their #1 scorer is a dman. It's obvious that team has serious problems with offense

 

[krazyhawk]

Fleischmann and Boyes are obviously better than TT's wingers, but you also have to take it into consideration that TT is playing against Liiga players not NHL players. I'm just worried because he can't produce in Liiga, and never really has. He also dropped quite a lot during the draft not to mention his latest WJC tournament, 5 games and only 2 assists.

I might be too quick to judge, since the guy has whole career ahead of him...

Are you joking??? TT's last WJC he was 4th in tournament scoring with 5g-6a=11p and a +6 in 6 games.Where did you get 2a in 5 games?? If this is part of the criteria you used in judging TT then you need to rethink your position as your previous thoughts seem to be tainted by bad information.

 

[Gabranth]

Are you joking??? TT's last WJC he was 4th in tournament scoring with 5g-6a=11p and a +6 in 6 games.Where did you get 2a in 5 games?? If this is part of the criteria you used in judging TT then you need to rethink your position as your previous thoughts seem to be tainted by bad information.

It might be that I just end up being a fool, like a lot of people did in Hertl's case.

 

[thomast]

Are you joking??? TT's last WJC he was 4th in tournament scoring with 5g-6a=11p and a +6 in 6 games.Where did you get 2a in 5 games?? If this is part of the criteria you used in judging TT then you need to rethink your position as your previous thoughts seem to be tainted by bad information.

Teuvo stacked alot of points in relegation group. I wouldn't put too much stock in WJC's.

 

[Leehh]

Being honest for once - and not trolling, having "bad" wingers is no excuse for bad performance. Good centers are able to make players around them better, which Teravainen certainly isn't able to do. He is playing with Janne Lahti, who was solid last season, so was Moses. I don't think his wingers are that "bad"

I didn't like that Hawks drafted this guy, and I don't see him as a TOP 6 players in the NHL. As I've stated many times, most Finns just hype up their players, I dare you to find a post by a Finn that isn't biased, made by me, or making excuses like "bad wingers" or "terrible team" in this topic. You can go and watch a NHL stream, It's always full of Finnish people that trash talk or hype up Finnish players. "Crosby is terrible, Granlund will be a lot better player" is a word not uncommon to Finnish people in these chat rooms.

On off topic - Florida isn't exactly the best team either. I've watched a few games of Barkov, he looks solid out there. I know he has "ok" wingers around him, but they're certainly not the best out there. And it seems like that he and Huberdeau have now been separated. He was still able to produce with Fleischmann and Boyes. Granlund also seems to have improved. Teravainen on the other hand - is a lot worse than those two IMO.

He is also really small (but so is Granlund, but Granlund is way more skilled) and to make it in the NHL as a small guy, you must have exceptional skill set. He might make it, but I don't see that yet. He will probably be a second liner at best, IF HE MAKES IT.

I could rant about them tactical aspects of hockey for hours to you, since clearly you don't pretty much understand there is them. You know, coach is the one who calls them shots. Players are there to execute all the things them coaches draw on their boards. The way their coach makes them play it just doesn't work if without #65.

About "TT might make it" - statement after he had outstanding TC (they wanted to keep TT and start him as #2C) for a organization which just happened to win a stanley is just beyond comprehension of any sane human being, i sincerely do hope that you are not serious about it - if you are, i do hope there will be some kind of a law where one who has iq of a european standard shoe size can't breed their seeds.

 

[FinProspects]

Teuvo was the best forward for Finland in WJC, really consistent almost in every game.

At the moment, it seems that Teuvo has put too much pressure for himself. And BTW I´ve never ever seen so unskilled Jokerit team. Its just disgustingly awful to watch their games.

But Teuvo will pick it up, eventually.

 

[Gabranth]

I could rant about them tactical aspects of hockey for hours to you, since clearly you don't pretty much understand there is them. You know, coach is the one who calls them shots. Players are there to execute all the things them coaches draw on their boards. The way their coach makes them play it just doesn't work if without #65.

About "TT might make it" - statement after he had outstanding TC (they wanted to keep TT and start him as #2C) for a organization which just happened to win a stanley is just beyond comprehension of any sane human being, i sincerely do hope that you are not serious about it - if you are, i do hope there will be some kind of a law where one who has iq of a european standard shoe size can't breed their seeds.

It's still too early to tell, since he hasn't even played a single NHL game. I think he would've struggled to play in the NHL and he would've been sent down after 9 games. Coaches just can't go on and tell that someone straight out sucks in front of the media, can they? I think they were just going to give him a chance, but it remains unknown how well he would have done. Then again, I didn't see a single pre-season game....

 

[krazyhawk]

Teuvo stacked alot of points in relegation group. I wouldn't put too much stock in WJC's.

Quite true,but totally beside the point.Guy said TT only had 2a in 5 games,I just showed where he was mistaken.If you're going to evaluate some one,you should at least get the facts right.

Almost the entire Finnish team piled on the points in the relegation round,including the highly regarded Armia and M.Granlund who both finished with 6g+6a=12p.A whole 1point more than TT.During the round robin,he was often Finlands best player despite the lack of production.Wasn't his fault they landed in the relegation zone,the entire team suffered from a lack of finishing touch.

 

[Latex*]

Almost the entire Finnish team piled on the points in the relegation round,including the highly regarded Armia and M.Granlund who both finished with 6g+6a=12p.

I'm not sure how anyone can say Markus Granlund is highly regarded. I mean by others than flames fans.

 

[madmike77]

I'm not sure how anyone can say Markus Granlund is highly regarded. I mean by others than flames fans.

Lol even Flames fans don't regard Granlund too highly. He's hardly ever mentioned.

That said, he does look like he could be a decent two-way forward. The issue is the Flames now have quite a few prospects who have more upside than Granlund, especially at centre. Even at Abbotsford, the Flames have Reinhart, Knight, Horak - likely all ahead of Granlund.

Some of those centres are going to need to switch to wing if they want a shot in the NHL.

 

[Latex*]

Lol even Flames fans don't regard Granlund too highly. He's hardly ever mentioned.

That said, he does look like he could be a decent two-way forward. The issue is the Flames now have quite a few prospects who have more upside than Granlund, especially at centre. Even at Abbotsford, the Flames have Reinhart, Knight, Horak - likely all ahead of Granlund.

Some of those centres are going to need to switch to wing if they want a shot in the NHL.

Well yeah, just wanted to point out that he's really not "highly regarded" like the poster I quoted said.

 

[Gabranth]

Seems like he was dropped into 2nd line, still no production. At least the first line got a goal now... Gotta admit that Jokerit are really bad team, maybe I'm wrong about Teravainen.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

It seems that Jokerit is not a very good team - but TT is part of that team and therefore must share the blame. There are very few 165lb 19 year olds capable of carrying a professional hockey team and so far TT has shown that he is not up to that challenge. But that doesn't negate his obvious offensive skills and lower the expectations for his future. It is unfortunate and some will be quick to look at his stats and write him off as overhyped - but for those of us who have watched him play, we shouldn't let these circumstances influence our opinion of him. The only thing that I will look to take out of this is how well (or poorly) TT handles adversity.

 

[EmeticDonut]

Jokerit is a hot mess right now. I am starting to feel TT should have stayed in the AHL.

 

[Jussi]

It seems that Jokerit is not a very good team - but TT is part of that team and therefore must share the blame. There are very few 165lb 19 year olds capable of carrying a professional hockey team and so far TT has shown that he is not up to that challenge.

I believe he weighs around 180-185 now.

 

[Latex*]

Jokerit is a hot mess right now. I am starting to feel TT should have stayed in the AHL.

TT is getting a fair share of critique too. Jokerit fans seem to think he can't do anything right.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

I believe he weighs around 180-185 now.

OK - I stand corrected, but the point is still valid. Very few 19 year olds can lift a professional hockey team up out of there problems, so while TT is part of the problem, he's not the solution. He's still a good hockey player with very high potential.

 

[Depch]

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[Erikfromfin]

the game that teuvo actually gets points is shadowed by trevor gillies suckerpunch on jarkko ruutu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZge4rakK0

 

[EbonyRaptor]

Not posted yet so just updating the thread. He did 0+3 today in a local derby vs HIFK. Didn't see the game myself so just basing this on stats, would like to hear some thoughts about his play from those who saw the game.

Much better results today. Three assists, and although two of them were secondary assists - really all three were the key plays that led to the goals.

http://www.nelonenpro.fi/videot/media/589464