F Javon Moore - Minnetonka High, USHS-MN (2024, 112th, OTT)

[jgimp]

Sorry for my ignorance but can someone lead me towards some names in semi recent history getting drafted out of Minnesotan high school (how their stats were in the draft seasons and where it got them taken?)

Dylan Samberg. 2017 2nd round pick to Winnipeg out of Hermantown. Score sheet never popped but is a defensive defender and has been playing outstanding

 

[MNRube]

Top Minnesotans still don't compare to the deeper and older USHL. You are right in that the wealthier Twin Cities burbs have far better HS programs that produce several solid D1 players.

Edina had at least 9 D1 players when I played against them. An absolute wagon. And they didn’t even win state

 

[Bonin21]

Pretty big upset last night as Minnetonka loses to Chanhassen and misses State. First loss in like 47 games. Being from Chaska, Moore could have been on that Chanhassen team.

Very interested to see how Moore does in the USHL next year. He was totally shut down last night.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Wonder where he goes in the draft. I would guess 3rd or 4th round

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Wonder where he goes in the draft. I would guess 3rd or 4th round

Any more info on him? This thread got taken off track and would love to know more about this player.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

EP had him at 6’2 181. Measured in at the combine at 6’4.5 203.

Is he going to go a lot higher than people are thinking?

 

[Mrfenn92]

EP had him at 6’2 181. Measured in at the combine at 6’4.5 203.

Is he going to go a lot higher than people are thinking?

Seen him all around from second to fifth in mocks. His size and long development runway should get him to go early.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Seen him all around from second to fifth in mocks. His size and long development runway should get him to go early.

I will guess someone takes him early to mid 3rd

 

[Steve Kournianos]

He was shit against Chanhassen. Only one game but with his size he should have been more puck dominant. Went back and watched other games and wasn’t blown away. Personally, I like about 10 other kids from 2A better. Minnetonka had a bunch of ringers and choked in a big game and Moore was a guilty party. Bump was 10X better his draft year and he was a mid-round pick but I had him top-40. He terrorized Rinzel, among others.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He was shit against Chanhassen. Only one game but with his size he should have been more puck dominant. Went back and watched other games and wasn’t blown away. Personally, I like about 10 other kids from 2A better. Minnetonka had a bunch of ringers and choked in a big game and Moore was a guilty party. Bump was 10X better his draft year and he was a mid-round pick but I had him top-40. He terrorized Rinzel, among others.

I believe you mean "student-athletes that wanted the excellent Minnetonka education experience".

 

[bigdog16]

He was shit against Chanhassen. Only one game but with his size he should have been more puck dominant. Went back and watched other games and wasn’t blown away. Personally, I like about 10 other kids from 2A better. Minnetonka had a bunch of ringers and choked in a big game and Moore was a guilty party. Bump was 10X better his draft year and he was a mid-round pick but I had him top-40. He terrorized Rinzel, among others.

I don't disagree but Moore's upside is significantly higher. At the end of the day you can't teach size and Moore is 6'5 and skates well. He is raw and not as talented as Bump today. But if he puts it all together it is a pretty intriguing package

 

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[Pavel Buchnevich]

Late birthday that is third on his high school hockey team in scoring. Fourth round. Wild.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Late birthday that is third on his high school hockey team in scoring. Fourth round.Murray's.

I'm guessing those players aren't 6'5" and committed to the University of Minnesota.

But Burrows was taken in the 4th round and Schultz (North Dakota commit) isn't eligible until 2025.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I'm guessing those players aren't 6'5" and committed to the University of Minnesota.

But Burrows was taken in the 4th round and Schultz (North Dakota commit) isn't eligible until 2025.

I get your point and he played on one of the best high school hockey teams in years, but it still speaks to his lack of offense. You can fourth line your way to the NHL. Hard to see a player who was scoring like that as a late birthday draft eligible having enough offense for higher than fourth line though.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

I get your point and he played on one of the best high school hockey teams in years, but it still speaks to his lack of offense. You can fourth line your way to the NHL. Hard to see a player who was scoring like that as a late birthday draft eligible having enough offense for higher than fourth line though.

Friendly reminder Pavel that the late birthdays are commonly the best players in Minnesota since late(r) birthdays are the oldest or just on the older side of the school year grouping, as is the case in most of the States. (I would guess the school year grouping in Minnetonka is July 1-June 31 or August 1-July 31)

My issue is that he continued to play MN HS instead of going to the USHL for his DY. I get that it's the Minnesota thing to do to stay home and play HS, but it just delayed (or even potentially stagnated) his development. He's entering his 19 year old season with just 8 junior games under his belt and will spend all of this year in the USHL before going to Minnesota.

We'll see how it plays out, I liked Burrows more than Moore at Minnetonka.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Friendly reminder Pavel that the late birthdays are commonly the best players in Minnesota since late(r) birthdays are the oldest or just on the older side of the school year grouping, as is the case in most of the States. (I would guess the school year grouping in Minnetonka is July 1-June 31 or August 1-July 31)

My issue is that he continued to play MN HS instead of going to the USHL for his DY. I get that it's the Minnesota thing to do to stay home and play HS, but it just delayed (or even potentially stagnated) his development. He's entering his 19 year old season with just 8 junior games under his belt and will spend all of this year in the USHL before going to Minnesota.

We'll see how it plays out, I liked Burrows more than Moore at Minnetonka.

Will never get this logic - other than the huge profits to be made at the expense of our children - but unfortunately it is pervasive not only in hockey but youth sports in general in the United States.

The notion that somehow the only way an athlete can develop is by leaving home; ignoring the benefits of playing in crowded arenas, with players you've known all your lives, and growing both physically and emotionally before heading off to junior and/or college hockey.

Just the amount of time you can spend sleeping at home, training, and studying is far superior for development as a complete young adult as opposed to hours spent in hotels, buses, and traveling - and then often playing one-sided contests due to the disparity in talent. For every London Knights or Portland Winterhawks franchise that annually produces NHL draft picks there are 3-5 franchises merely icing teams with few players likely to move to higher levels.

The story is similar in the USHL and the NAHL.

Javon Moore is headed to the University of Minnesota and was drafted. Would he have gained much more by skipping high school hockey?

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Will never get this logic - other than the huge profits to be made at the expense of our children - but unfortunately it is pervasive not only in hockey but youth sports in general in the United States.

The notion that somehow the only way an athlete can develop is by leaving home; ignoring the benefits of playing in crowded arenas, with players you've known all your lives, and growing both physically and emotionally before heading off to junior and/or college hockey.

Just the amount of time you can spend sleeping at home, training, and studying is far superior for development as opposed to hours spent in hotels, buses, and traveling - and then often playing one-sided contests due to the disparity in talent. For every London Knights or Portland Winterhawks franchise that annually produces NHL draft picks there are 3-5 franchises merely icing teams with few players likely to move to higher levels.

The story is similar in the USHL and the NAHL.

Javon Moore is headed to the University of Minnesota and was drafted. Would he have gained much more by skipping high school hockey?

No, that is not my point. My point is that after 2022-23, where it was already known he was a high level prospect committed to Minnesota, he should have gone to the USHL for his draft year to get better prepared for the NCAA, which is exactly what Guentzel did back in 2012-13. I never said he shouldn't play MN HS entirely.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He was definitely playing the schedule that makes it less of a necessity to go elsewhere.

Just saying "MN HS" is too general.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

He was definitely playing the schedule that makes it less of a necessity to go elsewhere.

Just saying "MN HS" is too general.

The USHL is still much better than MN HS and the Upper Midwest Elite League

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

No, that is not my point. My point is that after 2022-23, where it was already known he was a high level prospect committed to Minnesota, he should have gone to the USHL for his draft year to get better prepared for the NCAA, which is exactly what Guentzel did back in 2012-13. I never said he shouldn't play MN HS entirely.

So did both of Jake Guentzel's brothers, neither of whom reached the NHL. In the current climate, the USHL is a league for 18 and 19 year olds - and barring the exceptional few - not many 17 or 18 year olds are making the jump to college hockey.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

So did both of Jake Guentzel's brothers, neither of whom reached the NHL. In the current climate, the USHL is a league for 18 and 19 year olds - and barring the exceptional few - not many 17 or 18 year olds are making the jump to college hockey.

2023-24 was Moore's 18 year old season and he could have easily made the jump to the USHL full time.

 

[Bonin21]

Late birthday that is third on his high school hockey team in scoring. Fourth round. Wild.

It was one of the more stacked teams in recent history.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The USHL is still much better than MN HS and the Upper Midwest Elite League

Didn't say that it wasn't.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Friendly reminder Pavel that the late birthdays are commonly the best players in Minnesota since late(r) birthdays are the oldest or just on the older side of the school year grouping, as is the case in most of the States. (I would guess the school year grouping in Minnetonka is July 1-June 31 or August 1-July 31)

My issue is that he continued to play MN HS instead of going to the USHL for his DY. I get that it's the Minnesota thing to do to stay home and play HS, but it just delayed (or even potentially stagnated) his development. He's entering his 19 year old season with just 8 junior games under his belt and will spend all of this year in the USHL before going to Minnesota.

We'll see how it plays out, I liked Burrows more than Moore at Minnetonka.

I’m not criticizing him for being born in December, but he was on the older side for the draft. The lack of scoring where he was picked might’ve been more palatable if he was like an August birthday. And if he was, potentially he would’ve been a junior and had a better chance to lead the team in scoring next season.

It was one of the more stacked teams in recent history.

Right, but are the chances high if they even get one top 9’er? Probably not.