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Reichel, Gajan, Misiak, Commesso, Harding all disappointing season.It seems like so many of these prospects are trending in the right direction. Who are the guys who are leaning the other way?
Reichel, Gajan, Misiak, Commesso, Harding all disappointing season.It seems like so many of these prospects are trending in the right direction. Who are the guys who are leaning the other way?
Id argue with Commesso, mainly because i do think he put up decent numbers plus I dont think he will ever be an elite goaltender.Reichel, Gajan, Misiak, Commesso, Harding all disappointing season.
Reichel, Gajan, Misiak, Commesso, Harding all disappointing season.
Reichel, Gajan, Misiak, Commesso, Harding all disappointing season.
Is this good or bad?Commesso didn't have a disappointing season. Top-10 in Sv% amongst rookie AHL goaltenders, only 4-5 points off Jesper Wallstedt and Yaroslav Askarov's sv%, who're regarded as two of the best goaltending prospects in the league. Followed that up with a strong showing in the playoffs for Rockford, posting a .915 sv% (which was 3rd amongst rookie AHL goaltenders in the playoffs).
Sheesh then you reallllly don’t want to hear about my mildly “lukewarm” seasons. Moore and Nazar had OK seasons bailed out by good WJCs. (Moore hot and cold, Nazar misused by coaches so not his fault) Greene was just OK. Dach made of glass. Lardis could be a Dach in training. Safonov take a step back. Korchinski was objectively bad but he was at least bad in the NHL so there’s still a lot of optimism for him obviously.
I might be way too harsh for some but the standard is extremely high to be a top 6 forward a top 4D or an NHL goalie. That’s all we should really care about developing.
BTW Commesso being 10th best rookie AHL goalie on Sundays when there is a full moon in November isn’t going to cut it.
Sheesh then you reallllly don’t want to hear about my mildly “lukewarm” seasons. Moore and Nazar had OK seasons bailed out by good WJCs. (Moore hot and cold, Nazar misused by coaches so not his fault) Greene was just OK. Dach made of glass. Lardis could be a Dach in training. Safonov take a step back. Korchinski was objectively bad but he was at least bad in the NHL so there’s still a lot of optimism for him obviously.
I might be way too harsh for some but the standard is extremely high to be a top 6 forward a top 4D or an NHL goalie. That’s all we should really care about developing.
BTW Commesso being 10th best rookie AHL goalie on Sundays when there is a full moon in November isn’t going to cut it.
I might be way too harsh for some
I have that same view of Commesso, but it's why I don't agree with his evaluation of the season. I think his ceiling is just above average starter.Definitely agree on Commesso. I actually don’t think he’ll ever be a true number 1. I’ve never been super high on him.
Nazar was the highest drafted player on his team and was 6th in production. He was 28th in production in u20 college scoring last year. There are mitigating factors but I personally don’t accept excuses when it comes to top6 top 4 top G. You should be dominant or close to it at any level. His eye test is good. But the NHL is the NHL.Yes.
Again, Commesso's numbers were basically the same as two of the best goaltending prospects in the world and he was playing in his rookie pro season. In fact, Commesso's numbers were almost identical to Wallstedt's rookie season last year.
Safonov was a 6th round pick. If you get any kind of NHL player out of him it's a huge win. Lardis has missed significant time once with an injury so far, let's pump the brakes on calling him a "Dach in training." I wouldn't say Moore or Nazar's seasons were just "OK" but as we've established:
I know you said no excuses but you're talking about ignoring context completely which is just as bad as chasing excuses. Nazar was point per game with no PP1 time and playing much of the year as a 2C with non-prospects. When he played with Rutger and Brindley he went nuclear like you'd expect. Even factoring in time away from them he was 3rd on the team and right on pace with those two in even strength points. Coming off of a major surgery, it was about as good of a year as you could have hoped for, especially after a slow first couple of weeks.Nazar was the highest drafted player on his team and was 6th in production. He was 28th in production in u20 college scoring last year. There are mitigating factors but I personally don’t accept excuses when it comes to top6 top 4 top G. You should be dominant or close to it at any level. His eye test is good. But the NHL is the NHL.
Safonov has a “great” development year and became a bonafide prospect despite 6th round. He came back to earth.
Cam Talbot would be a pretty damn good outcome for Commesso. Maybe not a true workhorse #1 but if he can be a 1A in a tandem you absolutely take thatI'm not very high on Commesso. I see way more Cam Talbot than Corey Crawford.
Waste of a pick we signed that in Mrazek.Cam Talbot would be a pretty damn good outcome for Commesso. Maybe not a true workhorse #1 but if he can be a 1A in a tandem you absolutely take that
Needing to watch full games is overrated. Let’s use the 2023-2024 Blackhawks as an example. If you look at the Hawks stats, whose LIE about the performance of the player? If you look at Hawks highlights, whose LIE?NHL
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Anyone implying knowing development paths for nearly all Hawks prospects from last season would need to be watching them play multiple games in these leagues. Box scores, season stats, and highlights don't cut it.
You don't need to watch KHL games to have an opinion about Kantserov but if you want to have an informed opinion about anyone yes you need to have watched the guy like what?Needing to watch full games is overrated. Let’s use the 2023-2024 Blackhawks as an example. If you look at the Hawks stats, whose LIE about the performance of the player? If you look at Hawks highlights, whose LIE?
When players suck or underperform it shows plainly in their stats and ice time. The coach of the team knows better than my “eye test”. Thats where Nazar gets dinged for last season. The “yea but…” stuff is loser talk. Same type of babying Korchinski gets. The standard for being elite on the NHL doesn’t care about our excuses for the players
I don’t need to grind KHL games to see that Kantserov moved up the lineup and started producing at an amazing level in the playoffs.
Certainly would be a valid use of the site.Posters here are obsessed with chiming in their two cents about which prospects suck all the time.