F Charlie Stramel - Michigan State University, NCAA (2023, 21st, MIN)

[OilersFanatics505]

So we should act like up is down and down is up?

It’s quite logical that the best players are usually the players who are drafted the highest (or at least merely drafted).

Logical and what actually happened are two very different discussion.

Logically you wouldn’t have passed up a 38 point winger playing his freshman year of college (Brindley) for a college freshman who had 12 points on a team that finished dead last in their conference.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Only seen a small sample size of his play but he looks really atrocious on ice

Feels like a bad reach by Wild

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Logical and what actually happened are two very different discussion.

Logically you wouldn’t have passed up a 38 point winger playing his freshman year of college (Brindley) for a college freshman who had 12 points on a team that finished dead last in their conference.

Can almost guarantee that if Stramel is from Plymouth Michigan instead of Rosemount Minnesota, the Wild aren't drafting him.

 

[MNRube]

Can almost guarantee that if Stramel is from Plymouth Michigan instead of Rosemount Minnesota, the Wild aren't drafting him.

I don’t think this is true. He was drafted because he was a massive RHC prospect who was said to be good on the dot. It was on over-correction to a roster that needed RHS, size & faceoff prowess at the time.

Another example why you never draft for need in the NHL. BPA is always the way to go

 

[MNRube]

Only seen a small sample size of his play but he looks really atrocious on ice

Feels like a bad reach by Wild

I think he’s experiencing a crisis of confidence.

The one thing in his favor is that big Fs develop slower and he doesn’t have to be amazing to make a career for himself. If he learns to win draws, forecheck and move his feet, he will be an NHLer.

Definitely looking like a reach though. The worst part is that Guerin let it slip that he and his staff had tunnel vision for Stramel as early as the winter of his draft year. Horrific if true.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

I don’t think this is true. He was drafted because he was a massive RHC prospect who was said to be good on the dot. It was on over-correction to a roster that needed RHS, size & faceoff prowess at the time.

Another example why you never draft for need in the NHL. BPA is always the way to go

This is also true, but I do think the "One of us" thing that Minnesotans love did at least play an ancillary factor. From what I read, the Wild really wanted Oliver Moore, but obviously didn't trade up and still wanted to fill the center spot in the prospect pool. Stramel being the known quantity (who had stagnated/regressed in 2022-23) probably made the Wild think they were getting a steal.

I had Stramel at 47 in my top 100, as I could see him being a physical playoff style forward when games actually matter, but someone who would underwhelm in the regular season.

 

[MNRube]

This is also true, but I do think the "One of us" thing that Minnesotans love did at least play an ancillary factor.

This is grossly overstated. Most people here use it tongue-in-cheek and are naturally cautious of any Minnesotans on the Wild.

Moore profiles almost identically to Marat Khusnutdinov so that would’ve been an interesting pick. I’ve also heard we were high on him so who knows

 

[WarriorofTime]

I watched Wisconsin play Ohio State yesterday afternoon on my DVR. I was watching because I enjoy college hockey (Big Ten in particular due to my location) and I was not specifically watching for Stramel. Not gonna lie. The first time I noticed him was when Wisconsin had 7 guys on the ice in an empty net situation and Stramel was trying to rush off the ice presumably because he was the player that was not supposed to be there, and the coach used a timeout. Other than that, had you told me he was a scratch, I would have believed you. 0 shots registered, was 2-2 on faceoffs, so my bad for not paying close attention to that I suppose. He is basically a complete non-factor in NCAA Hockey as a 19 year old Second Year Player. That isn't me "wishing him to fail", just an observation.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

I watched Wisconsin play Ohio State yesterday afternoon on my DVR. I was watching because I enjoy college hockey (Big Ten in particular due to my location) and I was not specifically watching for Stramel. Not gonna lie. The first time I noticed him was when Wisconsin had 7 guys on the ice in an empty net situation and Stramel was trying to rush off the ice presumably because he was the player that was not supposed to be there, and the coach used a timeout. Other than that, had you told me he was a scratch, I would have believed you. 0 shots registered, was 2-2 on faceoffs, so my bad for not paying close attention to that I suppose. He is basically a complete non-factor in NCAA Hockey as a 19 year old Second Year Player. That isn't me "wishing him to fail", just an observation.

I watched much of the Minnesota @ Wisconsin series and he looked fairly noticeable on Friday but did nothing on Saturday. Additionally, I watched part of Wisconsin @ Ohio State on Friday and he didn't do anything of note in the shifts I saw. Completely different than the guy we saw at the NTDP, who had some good shifts at the World Junior when he played.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Can almost guarantee that if Stramel is from Plymouth Michigan instead of Rosemount Minnesota, the Wild aren't drafting him.

Pretty bad drafting strategy to draft based on location of where they fell out of their mother.

 

[Bonin21]

This is grossly overstated. Most people here use it tongue-in-cheek and are naturally cautious of any Minnesotans on the Wild.

Moore profiles almost identically to Marat Khusnutdinov so that would’ve been an interesting pick. I’ve also heard we were high on him so who knows

Ya, there have been times where homer Minnesota fans (like me) have wanted them to take a Minnesotan and they haven't. Case in point: Brock Boeser

They did not take Stramel because he's from MN.

 

[93LEAFS]

Ya, there have been times where homer Minnesota fans (like me) have wanted them to take a Minnesotan and they haven't. Case in point: Brock Boeser

They did not take Stramel because he's from MN.

You get this all the time in big hockey markets. I still remember the Nick Ritchie/William Nylander situation, or even worse when some insane people thought trading the 1OA pick in 2016 to Arizona for Dylan Strome++. It's great when a good local kid is top of your board and delivers like Marner in 2015. You will always hear similar things for the big Canadian markets or American hotbeds like Minnesota, Detroit and Boston.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

21st pick in 2023, 16th on the team in scoring in 2023-24.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

21st pick in 2023, 16th on the team in scoring in 2023-24.

At least the winger they passed over on their board for the center with size isn’t scoring at some crazy rate in college hockey

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

So every game he doesn’t score from the 3rd/4th line with no PP time we’re gonna bump this thread?

Okay, I see how it is. I’ll annoyingly bump this thread in the future when he starts going and tallies meaningless secondary assists.

On the positive, he’s 57.5% on face offs. For the people mentioning he was moved off center, it wasn’t fairly.

 

[WarriorofTime]

So every game he doesn’t score from the 3rd/4th line with no PP time we’re gonna bump this thread?

Okay, I see how it is. I’ll annoyingly bump this thread in the future when he starts going and tallies meaningless secondary assists.

On the positive, he’s 57.5% on face offs. For the people mentioning he was moved off center, it wasn’t fairly.

Didn’t you already do that during the legendary 4 points in 2 games which you also stretched into “5 points in 5 games” to idk increase the sample size I guess.

 

[57special]

At least the winger they passed over on their board for the center with size isn’t scoring at some crazy rate in college hockey

Hey now...

 

[NYRKing]

are there examples of 1st round ncaa picks with low scoring that turned out to be decent scorers at the nhl level? Genuinely curious.

 

[Wasted Talent]

are there examples of 1st round ncaa picks with low scoring that turned out to be decent scorers at the nhl level? Genuinely curious.

I believe Boldy had only 1 point in his first 11 GP for his D+1 season, but picked up the pace later on.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

So every game he doesn’t score from the 3rd/4th line with no PP time we’re gonna bump this thread?

Okay, I see how it is. I’ll annoyingly bump this thread in the future when he starts going and tallies meaningless secondary assists.

On the positive, he’s 57.5% on face offs. For the people mentioning he was moved off center, it wasn’t fairly.

You did bump the thread when he had his “monster weekend”

Edit: isn’t this also a message board to update people on how they are playing?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So every game he doesn’t score from the 3rd/4th line with no PP time we’re gonna bump this thread?

Okay, I see how it is. I’ll annoyingly bump this thread in the future when he starts going and tallies meaningless secondary assists.

On the positive, he’s 57.5% on face offs. For the people mentioning he was moved off center, it wasn’t fairly.

If he starts being involved in the play enough to get some of those, feel free.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

So every game he doesn’t score from the 3rd/4th line with no PP time we’re gonna bump this thread?

Okay, I see how it is. I’ll annoyingly bump this thread in the future when he starts going and tallies meaningless secondary assists.

On the positive, he’s 57.5% on face offs. For the people mentioning he was moved off center, it wasn’t fairly.

Outside of that legendary 4 point weekend, he's got 3 points in 25 games. These are John Scott numbers.

I don't think I've ever seen a poster more reluctant to admit mistakes than you. And considering your terrible track record, that's notable.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

are there examples of 1st round ncaa picks with low scoring that turned out to be decent scorers at the nhl level? Genuinely curious.

Unfortunately with the way Stramel has flatlined this season it's more of a hopeful comparison, but Kevin Hayes was always the "prototype" for this pick.

I won't give up on a prospect in his first post-draft year, but it is hard when skepticism is justified with this kind of season.

You'd think the Wild would have learned by now that betting on skill (Kaprizov, Boldy) is what makes teams successful and betting on height and weight is something for farm festivals.

 

[MNRube]

Outside of that legendary 4 point weekend, he's got 3 points in 25 games. These are John Scott numbers.

I don't think I've ever seen a poster more reluctant to admit mistakes than you. And considering your terrible track record, that's notable.

Meh, it’s not over yet. He stinks currently but it’s obvious his heart is not in it. He needs a change of scenery. Odds are that he ends up a bust, but the fight’s not over yet.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Can almost guarantee that if Stramel is from Plymouth Michigan instead of Rosemount Minnesota, the Wild aren't drafting him.

What about Cedar Rapids?

Joking. Plymouth was very specific.