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F Charlie Stramel - Michigan State University, NCAA (2023, 21st, MIN)

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Best case for Minnesota is that this kid hates playing for the Badgers and he will blossom elsewhere. I knew Guerin was going to draft him - as a massive RHC it was just too juicy to pass up.

I still like the kid longterm as a possible bottom 6 piece but it freaking sucks that Guerin hinted that his staff had tunnel vision for Stramel this time last year. That’s just plain stupid
 
MNRube said:
Best case for Minnesota is that this kid hates playing for the Badgers and he will blossom elsewhere. I knew Guerin was going to draft him - as a massive RHC it was just too juicy to pass up.

I still like the kid longterm as a possible bottom 6 piece but it freaking sucks that Guerin hinted that his staff had tunnel vision for Stramel this time last year. That’s just plain stupid
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As much I'm not crazy about the pick, I would've been happy before the draft if someone had told me MN would get Stramel, Kumpulainen, and Heidt. I'm just greedy, and wanted Edstrom at #21. Edstrom, Heidt, and Kumpu... nice haul.
 
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When is this guy going to turn it around? He’s being given the minutes and opportunity and just doesn’t do anything.
 
josra33 said:
When is this guy going to turn it around? He’s being given the minutes and opportunity and just doesn’t do anything.
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May be one of those guys who's better under a highly structured, north-south, fourth line style of play in the NHL. I just don't see the skill, IQ or creativity on the offensive side to really be much more than that.
 
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In my opinion he hasn’t developed whatsoever the last 3 seasons. Kid has been through a lot; I don’t envy the hand he’s been dealt. I believe he was a top prospect simply because he was far more physically advanced than his peers. They have caught up. Skill is nothing special. Skating is fine. Compete I thought was good but idk
 
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In my opinion he hasn’t developed whatsoever the last 3 seasons. Kid has been through a lot; I don’t envy the hand he’s been dealt. I believe he was a top prospect simply because he was far more physically advanced than his peers. They have caught up. Skill is nothing special. Skating is fine. Compete I thought was good but idk
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Looking back, I'm not sure he ever had the skill. As a 15 year old at Rosemount he was 5th on his team in scoring with 18 points in 23 games, then he went to the USNTDP and never once put up over a point per game like most good players who come from that program do.

For comparison sake, Hudson Fasching, as a freshman, led his team with 42 points in 31 games, and came back with 50 points in 28 games as a sophomore, went to the USNTDP, didn't put up a point per game, but still produced much better at the NCAA level than Stramel, and is now a tweener.

I don't know where it went wrong if it was ever right. Still just pretty convinced this is Guerin being enamored with size more than anything. He saw Rossi last year, overreacted, gave Gaudreau a 5 year contract, and drafted Stramel, thinking either of those were the answer.
 
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josra33 said:
When is this guy going to turn it around? He’s being given the minutes and opportunity and just doesn’t do anything.
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Playing rope-a-dope. Unfortunately, no one told him that there are no ropes in hockey.
 
He was stupid to stick with Wisconsin. The coach has stacked the team with super seniors and is playing him down the lineup almost the whole season. Hard to score that much when you barely play the PP and are on the third or fourth line almost the whole season. And no TOI at your natural position.

No player picked so high should ever tolerate such poor usage. He has to transfer or play AHL next season. WTF did this coach tell him to convince him to stay?

As I’ve mentioned before, this Wisconsin coach is making the case for why no premium prospect should ever play for Wisconsin. Granato was a terrible coach, but at least he gave players ice time and didn’t block them with 23 year olds. This guy wins with 22 and 23 year olds with no future in the sport and doesn’t give a care in the world about developing NHL’ers.

Let’s see what happens when he gets to actually play. You can’t judge a player who gets 12 minutes a game on points. I know some of his own fans are rooting against him as an agenda against their GM, but he’s played well everywhere else other than Wisconsin.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
He was stupid to stick with Wisconsin. The coach has stacked the team with super seniors and is playing him down the lineup almost the whole season. Hard to score that much when you barely play the PP and are on the third or fourth line almost the whole season. And no TOI at your natural position.

No player picked so high should ever tolerate such poor usage. He has to transfer or play AHL next season. WTF did this coach tell him to convince him to stay?

As I’ve mentioned before, this Wisconsin coach is making the case for why no premium prospect should ever play for Wisconsin. Granato was a terrible coach, but at least he gave players ice time and didn’t block them with 23 year olds. This guy wins with 22 and 23 year olds with no future in the sport and doesn’t give a care in the world about developing NHL’ers.

Let’s see what happens when he gets to actually play. You can’t judge a player who gets 12 minutes a game on points. I know some of his own fans are rooting against him as an agenda against their GM, but he’s played well everywhere else other than Wisconsin.
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Oh look, Pavel with more excuses for why he was wrong.

Eventually you may have to admit that he wss never an elite offensive prospect and stop blaming everyone else for his struggles.
 
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Hadn't checked out the Big 10 in a few weeks. Didn't realize the Badgers were ranked fourth in the country.

Maybe not putting up points but I'd imagine Stramel has something to do with that.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
He was stupid to stick with Wisconsin. The coach has stacked the team with super seniors and is playing him down the lineup almost the whole season. Hard to score that much when you barely play the PP and are on the third or fourth line almost the whole season. And no TOI at your natural position.

No player picked so high should ever tolerate such poor usage. He has to transfer or play AHL next season. WTF did this coach tell him to convince him to stay?

As I’ve mentioned before, this Wisconsin coach is making the case for why no premium prospect should ever play for Wisconsin. Granato was a terrible coach, but at least he gave players ice time and didn’t block them with 23 year olds. This guy wins with 22 and 23 year olds with no future in the sport and doesn’t give a care in the world about developing NHL’ers.

Let’s see what happens when he gets to actually play. You can’t judge a player who gets 12 minutes a game on points. I know some of his own fans are rooting against him as an agenda against their GM, but he’s played well everywhere else other than Wisconsin.
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As a coach his job is to win games, not develop NHL players... I'm not watching Wisconsin, but I assume he plays the guys giving him the best chance to win. Some of the responsability has to be on the player to be more hungry and earn his minutes.
 
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jfhabs said:
As a coach his job is to win games, not develop NHL players... I'm not watching Wisconsin, but I assume he plays the guys giving him the best chance to win. Some of the responsability has to be on the player to be more hungry and earn his minutes.
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I don’t put that kind of trust in coaches. They are often quite stupid and make bad decisions, but I suspect you are right on the motives for why he barely plays.

Anyway, I think the point is we need to see how he does when he gets a chance to play. He’s had success elsewhere before Wisconsin, and even during the Wisconsin nightmare with the USA World Juniors team last year. No player would have good numbers if they were playing as little as he does.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
I don’t put that kind of trust in coaches. They are often quite stupid and make bad decisions, but I suspect you are right on the motives for why he barely plays.

Anyway, I think the point is we need to see how he does when he gets a chance to play. He’s had success elsewhere before Wisconsin, and even during the Wisconsin nightmare with the USA World Juniors team last year. No player would have good numbers if they were playing as little as he does.
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You grow to attached to players in the NTDP, and fail to evolve your views when more updated viewings are available (same thing you did with Turcotte) . Other than AHL to NHL there is not a bigger filter than USHL to NCAA in the development process, sometimes players lack of talent is exposed going through this filter.

There is not a college coach in the country that is focusing on developing players for the NHL at the expense of winning games. There have been countless freshman and sophomores who have been good enough for key roles on contending teams and then smoothly transitioned to pro hockey after dominating in college, if a player can't do that it's more a reflection on the player.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
He was stupid to stick with Wisconsin. The coach has stacked the team with super seniors and is playing him down the lineup almost the whole season. Hard to score that much when you barely play the PP and are on the third or fourth line almost the whole season. And no TOI at your natural position.

No player picked so high should ever tolerate such poor usage. He has to transfer or play AHL next season. WTF did this coach tell him to convince him to stay?

As I’ve mentioned before, this Wisconsin coach is making the case for why no premium prospect should ever play for Wisconsin. Granato was a terrible coach, but at least he gave players ice time and didn’t block them with 23 year olds. This guy wins with 22 and 23 year olds with no future in the sport and doesn’t give a care in the world about developing NHL’ers.

Let’s see what happens when he gets to actually play. You can’t judge a player who gets 12 minutes a game on points. I know some of his own fans are rooting against him as an agenda against their GM, but he’s played well everywhere else other than Wisconsin.
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Of the 10 forwards on Wisconsin outproducing Stramel, exactly 1 is a "super senior" brought over from Mankato. The others are either normal aged college players brought over from Mankato (2 I think), or players that were playing at Wisconsin before the new coach got there (the remaining 7).

If he was better, he'd play more, like the 19 year old currently leading the team in scoring.
 
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At this point it's beneficial for everyone if he transfers to somewhere like Minnesota or UMD closer to home and the Wild
 
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At this point it's beneficial for everyone if he transfers to somewhere like Minnesota or UMD closer to home and the Wild
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Don't see how that's beneficial, the problem isn't the coach or the usage despite what you may read in this thread from some people, the problem is Stramel. And Madison is 3.5 hours from St. Paul, what would being closer accomplish?
 
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