F Charlie Stramel - Michigan State University, NCAA (2023, 21st, MIN)

[Dr Jan Itor]

If he's healthy and too good for the 4th line, it will be apparent for more than one weekend, and they'll adjust accordingly. Hastings might like the older players, but he's obviously not an idiot.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

now I see why nobody likes your posts

9.5% more of my posts are liked than yours.

That's not even important. HF cred is irrelevant, but you engaged me in a discussion, I responded seriously because I take all posters at face value initially, and then you resorted to childish rhetoric.

 

[Juxtaposer]

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

He’s been “healthy” for likely 4, possibly 6 games this season, charts like this mean nothing at this point and anyone who would take time to do this “analysis” on an injured guy likely has an agenda.

 

[AKL]

He’s been “healthy” for likely 4, possibly 6 games this season, charts like this mean nothing at this point and anyone who would take time to do this “analysis” on an injured guy likely has an agenda.

I promise you don't need to take it so personally. Looks like someone asked him to do it, and it's still interesting to read. Doesn't mean anything about what he'll be in the future though. You are allowed to have commentary about how bad things are going for him right now, AND still hope he succeeds moving forward.

 

[Juxtaposer]

He’s been “healthy” for likely 4, possibly 6 games this season, charts like this mean nothing at this point and anyone who would take time to do this “analysis” on an injured guy likely has an agenda.

Yes, a group who tracks data for the entire NCAA definitely has an agenda. You, whom I’m guessing are a Wild fan from your username, definitely don’t have an agenda.

I didn’t even say anything about it, merely posted some empirical data from this year. Only you assumed that there was some implied commentary.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Yes, a group who tracks data for the entire NCAA definitely has an agenda. You, whom I’m guessing are a Wild fan from your username, definitely don’t have an agenda.

I didn’t even say anything about it, merely posted some empirical data from this year. Only you assumed that there was some implied commentary.

The data tracking is obviously not what I was referring to, the request, commentary, and posting of it without any context, is the obvious agenda.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

The data tracking is obviously not what I was referring to, the request, commentary, and posting of it without any context, is the obvious agenda.

He presented empirical data about Charlie Stramel in the Charlie Stramel thread. I don't understand how that's pushing an agenda.

 

[AKL]

He presented empirical data about Charlie Stramel in the Charlie Stramel thread. I don't understand how that's pushing an agenda.

Some people get too defensive of their team to the point where discussing negative things is akin to a personal attack. He's one of the biggest homers on the Wild board.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

He presented empirical data about Charlie Stramel in the Charlie Stramel thread. I don't understand how that's pushing an agenda.

And my response is that the data is meaningless, this would be the throw out games very obviously from any dataset, its N<10, its meaningless even without context of playing through injury. This has already been discussed over multiple pages, so all this does is stir the pot for things that everyone in here already knew.

Edit: I would appreciate some clarification on the source for this empirical data, I have never seen this HudlInStat team before and a quick google search shows this as a data analytics company offering free trials to the public with editing functionality and selling their code academy so you can self teach yourself. Has anyone done the free trial? Is this some random guy creating a model? Is it built off of user input? Is there AI/computer modeling being used?

Ah, I did more digging, it appears this is a model based off of two guys, Mitchell Brown who made a database for the CHL, USHL, and NCAA, then it was combined with that Lassi Alanen who does a database in Europe. So essentially this is based off of computer learning that was coded by a single guy who primarily follows the CHL. Empirical data my ass.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

And my response is that the data is meaningless, this would be the throw out games very obviously from any dataset, its N<10, its meaningless even without context of playing through injury. This has already been discussed over multiple pages, so all this does is stir the pot for things that everyone in here already knew.

Edit: I would appreciate some clarification on the source for this empirical data, I have never seen this HudlInStat team before and a quick google search shows this as a data analytics company offering free trials to the public with editing functionality and selling their code academy so you can self teach yourself. Has anyone done the free trial? Is this some random guy creating a model? Is it built off of user input? Is there AI/computer modeling being used?

Ah, I did more digging, it appears this is a model based off of two guys, Mitchell Brown who made a database for the CHL, USHL, and NCAA, then it was combined with that Lassi Alanen who does a database in Europe. So essentially this is based off of computer learning that was coded by a single guy who primarily follows the CHL. Empirical data my ass.

Your response was "he must have an agenda for posting this".

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don’t get why this is a negative discussion right now about his play. He had 4 points in his last two games. That’s terrific by any standards. His overall numbers have also been better since returning from injury, despite playing less.

This isn’t the time to be trying to shit on him, unless one has an agenda to do so.

Also, no one said he’s had a good season or anything like that. The whining against him seems so agenda based. He’s playing well now. Be happy about it. Earlier season stuff wasn’t good, but is very explainable due to the injuries and also a new coach and system to learn. That is unless you are trying to find the negatives to feed an agenda.

 

[AKL]

its N<10, its meaningless

Sample size is less than 10, gotta throw the data from that chart out, sample size isn't large enough to mean anything

He had 4 points in his last two games.

4 points in 2 games, he's back, he's turned it around, that's terrific and his overall numbers are great in those two games too, he's a totally different player now

If you don't agree with all of this you just have an agenda against him

 

[WarriorofTime]

Does anyone know, by chance, how many points Stramel had in his last 2 games?

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Your response was "he must have an agenda for posting this".

I said the guy posting the data likely has an agenda yes, he provides no easily found explanation of his methodology and uses small, obviously outlier samples. If someone wants to show me what’s actually going on under the hood of that data then I’m all for it, those would be actually interesting stats, but until then I am highly skeptical of that source.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I said the guy posting the data likely has an agenda yes, he provides no easily found explanation of his methodology and uses small, obviously outlier samples. If someone wants to show me what’s actually going on under the hood of that data then I’m all for it, those would be actually interesting stats, but until then I am highly skeptical of that source.

What's his agenda?

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

What's his agenda?

Clicks and views makes the most logical sense if you are eschewing any sense of data integrity.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Clicks and views makes the most logical sense if you are eschewing any sense of data integrity.

So his agenda has nothing to do with Stramel? Because you made it sound like he had an agenda against Stramel...

I mean, it's not like the eye test has been much more favorable than those numbers suggest.

 

[TLEH]

These are his draft year numbers.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

So his agenda has nothing to do with Stramel? Because you made it sound like he had an agenda against Stramel...

I mean, it's not like the eye test has been much more favorable than those numbers suggest.

I don't watch WI, but the reports on the Wild board tell the story of a much improved eye test recently. I mean, he was in the showcase camp just last summer after getting drafted looking great and getting high praise.

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These are his draft year numbers.

This is a bit more in line with what I would expect his competencies to show, battles, zone entries and passing are his main skills that match my eye test. This still means nothing to me without methodology.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Since "supposed Wild" and " supposed USA Hockey fans" apparently want to throw straw-man arguments out there against him, in his last five games he has five points. He's done that down in the lineup on the fourth line.

His game also isn't all about points either, but I guess that's all some people care about. Being 57% percent on draws in his D+1 in college hockey must be another thing that matters for nothing because he had 4 or 5 weak box-score point totals a month or two ago.

 

[rsteen]

Ah, I did more digging, it appears this is a model based off of two guys, Mitchell Brown who made a database for the CHL, USHL, and NCAA, then it was combined with that Lassi Alanen who does a database in Europe. So essentially this is based off of computer learning that was coded by a single guy who primarily follows the CHL. Empirical data my ass.

What model? It looks like manually tracked stats from someone watching each game.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Since "supposed Wild" and " supposed USA Hockey fans" apparently want to throw straw-man arguments out there against him, in his last five games he has five points. He's done that down in the lineup on the fourth line.

His game also isn't all about points either, but I guess that's all some people care about. Being 57% percent on draws in his D+1 in college hockey must be another thing that matters for nothing because he had 4 or 5 weak box-score point totals a month or two ago.

I like how it’s 5 points in 5 games when one of those games he had 3 points. 4 of those against Penn St who has a sub .900 goals tandem… 3 of them against their backup goalie… and his other point against powerhouse Alaska Anchorage who had their backup between the pipes at an astounding .871 sv%.

I like all those stats. They really show how great Stramel gonna be and USA Hockey messed up by not taking this generational talent to Sweden this year.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

When Boldy was taken many thought Caufield was the obvious choice.

For Stramel, that will probably be Perrault. Let's see how they turn out. Can't judge for a couple years.

It’s only part way through the 23/24 season. How do Stramel and Perreault compare now?

 

[Bonin21]

Pretty similar to how Boldy and Caufield compared halfway through their freshman seasons