F Adam Fantilli - Univ. of Michigan, NCAA (2023 Draft)

[Just Linda]

They haven’t had the same development time, Fantilli has had an extra year.

Why was Bedard playing at 16 and Fantilli first made it at 18?

Also yes Fantillis numbers as a whole look great, until you break down where all the points came from, and he’s only around PPG against teams that aren’t complete garbage.

And Bedard scores more against weaker teams too. That's every prospect who's ever played.

One made it in their 16 year old season, the other at 17. Tournaments aren't the whole store with prospects. I've written at length above why I think what I do, you are responding with ages and numbers.

Stop stat watching and trying to fit numbers into players and start breaking down their games. Then you'll actually see what's going on.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Fantilli gave me immense Byfield vibes as the tourney went on. Yes, he has lots of elite tools, but to be a top two centre in the NHL you need the brain to match and I’m not sure he has that.

 

[nbwingsfan]

And Bedard scores more against weaker teams too. That's every prospect who's ever played.

One made it in their 16 year old season, the other at 17. Tournaments aren't the whole store with prospects. I've written at length above why I think what I do, you are responding with ages and numbers.

Stop stat watching and trying to fit numbers into players and start breaking down their games. Then you'll actually see what's going on.

So you see something that literally every single other person, Scouts, analysts, professional don’t see? Because you’ve “broken down their games” like no one else can?

We’ve got ourselves a hockey genius on HF boards everyone!

 

[kudla]

Reminds me of Lambert. Fantastic skater but that's about it

 

[snipes]

Thought he got better as the tournament went on. He’s a phenomenal skater and once he started playing with some physicality and intensity he really stood out.

 

[Just Linda]

So you see something that literally every single other person, Scouts, analysts, professional don’t see? Because you’ve “broken down their games” like no one else can?

We’ve got ourselves a hockey genius on HF boards everyone!

Both McKenzie and Pronman said that about a quarter of scouts have Fantilli first overall. I know of scouts irl who think the same (and more that disagree). If you think that my opinion isn't shared by other people, you haven't been listening to enough people.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Both McKenzie and Pronman said that about a quarter of scouts have Fantilli first overall. I know of scouts irl who think the same (and more that disagree). If you think that my opinion isn't shared by other people, you haven't been listening to enough people.

Please quote where a quarter of the scouts have Fantilli 1st.

Especially so after this tournament.

All the “scouts you know” eh? All my scout friends told me you’re a liar.

 

[prongertheman9]

Both McKenzie and Pronman said that about a quarter of scouts have Fantilli first overall. I know of scouts irl who think the same (and more that disagree). If you think that my opinion isn't shared by other people, you haven't been listening to enough people.

Link to Mackenzie saying that?

I heard the podcast where Pronman said it and Chris Peters was literally holding back laughter when he heard it. Pronman also said Bedard was playing 30 mins a night when it has been tracked at around 21 - so I would take what he says with a train of salt.

 

[EichelFan15]

That's where a lot of my assessment of Bedard comes from. I have Blades season tickets, I watch him live when he comes through and plays against one of the best junior teams in Canada. I imagine if my base watching experience was watching him play weak teams, the flaws might not be so apparent. I watch him a lot outside of that but yeah.

Bedard still looked great on the medal rounds. He looked great for the what he is good at, he even looked improved on the defensive side a bit (he stole a puck on the back check!).

I don't see how anyone could look at his WJC performance and see him a future centre, to me it's not even close. Take away defensive responsibility, forgive his cheating habits, have someone else go to the corners and teach him some aggressiveness and Bedard is going to be fine. You'll have a difference maker. Put Bedard in a position where he has to do it all like he does in Regina and you'll have a Regina like situation even when he has better teammates. He can run an offense like few others, he can't run a team (though he really needs to become aggressive like I said, he needs to work on taking over games even when the puck isn't on his stick and work on his off puck elusiveness).


Yes I know that. The point is though that you can't judge prospects based only on a single tournament. Though in the last few games, they both looked great.

Bedard has played in Saskatoon 4 times in his career. 3 times last year and once this year. Is that really enough to build some big hypothesis? You realize there are people who watch all of Bedard's game in the WHL right?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Bedard has played in Saskatoon 4 times in his career. 3 times last year and once this year. Is that really enough to build some big hypothesis? You realize there are people who watch all of Bedard's game in the WHL right?

The guy has clearly been talking out of his ass this whole time.

He called Fantilli better before we all saw how much better Bedard was than him on the same team (and a year younger) and now he’s saying (making up) whatever he can to try and cover for it

 

[Kshahdoo]

While Bedard was ‘generational’ against lesser opposition ( Germany/Austria) his performance against stronger competition ( the U.S. and the Czechs) was considerably less impressive. In the NHL he will be playing against superior competition, players that are larger, stronger and as fast and in some cases faster than him, every game. Will he be able to create the time and space to employ those unmatchable hand skills?

If you could marry Fantilli’s speed and size with Bedard’s skill and vision, you could comfortably call that player the ‘next one’. But without those elements of size and speed, I question any efforts to anoint Bedard as generational.

If you could add to Michkov Bure's speed...

 

[Just Linda]

The guy has clearly been talking out of his ass this whole time.

He called Fantilli better before we all saw how much better Bedard was than him on the same team (and a year younger) and now he’s saying (making up) whatever he can to try and cover for it

Grow up. I'm done wasting time giving thoughtful to anything you say. Watch the prospects, stop parroting other people's opinions.

Bedard has played in Saskatoon 4 times in his career. 3 times last year and once this year. Is that really enough to build some big hypothesis? You realize there are people who watch all of Bedard's game in the WHL right?

I think you may have mistook what I said. I have watched Bedard far more than that, Blades are the team I watch the most though. It's not that Ive only watched Bedard when he's been in Saskatoon (I live in Stoon, work out of Regina), it's just that I recognize some of my bias comes from weighting his games against Saskatoon.

I've watched him 3-4 times in Stoon, a couple times in PA, and a handful of times in Regina on top of the non in person viewings.

 

[NewEraGM]

The guy has clearly been talking out of his ass this whole time.

He called Fantilli better before we all saw how much better Bedard was than him on the same team (and a year younger) and now he’s saying (making up) whatever he can to try and cover for it

Hey why don’t you comment on your post about how you said the numbers showed that Wright was the best defensive forward for Canada when in fact that wasn’t true.

You’ve been posting all day long non-sense and going after people but you don’t respond when you get called out for saying something that wasn’t true.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Grow up. I'm done wasting time giving thoughtful to anything you say. Watch the prospects, stop parroting other people's opinions.



I think you may have mistook what I said. I have watched Bedard far more than that, Blades are the team I watch the most though. It's not that Ive only watched Bedard when he's been in Saskatoon (I live in Stoon, work out of Regina), it's just that I recognize some of my bias comes from weighting his games against Saskatoon.

I've watched him 3-4 times in Stoon, a couple times in PA, and a handful of times in Regina on top of the non in person viewings.

You’re in the 1% who thinks Fantilli is better. If that makes you think you’re smarter all the power to you, but you’re about to be disappointed.

Bedard clearly showed he’s on another level, and he’s even a development year behind Fantilli. Imagine if he got to play next year like Fantilli did this season.

Hey why don’t you comment on your post about how you said the numbers showed that Wright was the best defensive forward for Canada when in fact that wasn’t true.

You’ve been posting all day long non-sense and going after people but you don’t respond when you get called out for saying something that wasn’t true.

I said the numbers showed he was great defensively and one of the best.

The eye test clearly showed that too.

This is also the Fantilli thread, not the Wright thread.

 

[NewEraGM]

You’re in the 1% who thinks Fantilli is better. If that makes you think you’re smarter all the power to you, but you’re about to be disappointed.

Bedard clearly showed he’s on another level, and he’s even a development year behind Fantilli. Imagine if he got to play next year like Fantilli did this season.


I said the numbers showed he was great defensively and one of the best.

The eye test clearly showed that too.

This is also the Fantilli thread, not the Wright thread.

You’re in the 1% who thinks Fantilli is better. If that makes you think you’re smarter all the power to you, but you’re about to be disappointed.

Bedard clearly showed he’s on another level, and he’s even a development year behind Fantilli. Imagine if he got to play next year like Fantilli did this season.


I said the numbers showed he was great defensively and one of the best.

The eye test clearly showed that too.

This is also the Fantilli thread, not the Wright thread.

No that’s actually not what you said. You didn’t say he was one of the best. You said “probably the best” and then when I gave you the names of the players that were actually better as illustrated by the numbers, and you said it was impossible that could be true.

So instead of yelling at people on these boards all day long, get your facts right

Additionally, so what if someone has Fantilli over Bedard. I don’t get why you care that much. It’s really not a life changing event for you if someone has fantilli over Bedard…as previous poster said, about a quarter of scouts saw it the same way so it’s not like it’s a completely unimaginable thought (especially if that opinion was said before the WJC)

 

[montreal]

some shifts from him last night (1A)

 

[LetsGoFlyers12]

I love the floor of this player (definitely top 6 forward) but I am a little concerned about his awareness. He seems to always be going full speed, and doesn't look to have elite processing skills. The game can look fast to him against tougher competition, and I think the NHL could be significantly more challenging in that way. Thoughts?

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Hey why don’t you comment on your post about how you said the numbers showed that Wright was the best defensive forward for Canada when in fact that wasn’t true.

You’ve been posting all day long non-sense and going after people but you don’t respond when you get called out for saying something that wasn’t true.

He probably has a day time job too. He doesn’t have that much time.

 

[Bonin21]

First time seeing him live. Obviously very good at hockey, but appears to be a hothead.

 

[SlafySZN]

First time seeing him live. Obviously very good at hockey, but appears to be a hothead.

In what way?

 

[MicronMega]

This kid has speed for days. Nice skill set too!

 

[Bonin21]

In what way?

Was whining to the refs like crazy in the 1st, can't remember exact moment. Also rumors he tried to spit at the student section as he left the ice after the loss but take Twitter for what it's worth. He was probably just saying something to them.

Just in general I saw he might have a short fuse. Will keep an eye on it again tonight.

 

[Bonin21]

Even with that said, I think he's probably better than Cooley right now and more ready to go to the NHL because of his stride. Would be shocked if someone goes 2OA over him.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I’m honestly confused by people who write off Fantilli’s numbers because of the team he plays on. Michigan really isn’t all that good this year.

Two goals through 25 minutes tonight so far against Minnesota, who is otherwise totally bodying Michigan.

 

[BLNY]

Fantilli gave me immense Byfield vibes as the tourney went on. Yes, he has lots of elite tools, but to be a top two centre in the NHL you need the brain to match and I’m not sure he has that.

I saw a player that consistently skated himself out of scoring opportunities. Reminded me of Josh Anderson. One tournament shouldn't be the measuring stick, but I wasn't impressed.