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F Adam Fantilli - Univ. of Michigan, NCAA (2023 Draft)

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NewEraGM said:
I’m starting to have this kid over Bedard. I think both will have amazing careers but I’m more confident than Fantilli will do it at centre. I think there’s a chance Bedard gets move to the wing.

I am coming out and saying this officially for the first time so I’m on record:

***i would select Fantilli over Bedard***

This kid is that good. He ticks every single box. Every one. And I think in 3 years he will already be a top 10 centre in the league and at his peak he is top 5 maybe only behind mcdavid, mackinnon and Matthews. I have him right after
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Big yikes
 
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QJL said:
For the folks in this thread who have said they would take Fantilli 1OA over Bedard (as of this season’s start)…

What is your current stance?

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Lol yes.
Believe it or not, I think Bedard is clearly above Fantilli lol

And yes, it’s okay to go have a change of opinion. Just because i said it one time a few months ago, doesn’t mean I can’t have a change of opinion.

That’s what the draft - 1 year is all about. Figuring out where these guys fall.
 
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In watching Bedard, Fantilli, Michkov and Carlsson a number of full games this year (ij leagues and WJC) I cannot shake the feeling that Fantilli is the safest bet on tools, but his IQ is easily behind the other 3. I like the player, but I do not see a star thinker on the ice, and tools only get you so far.

If you look at just tools, players like Panarin, Gudreau and Kane would not compare to Mackinnon. But they think the game in a way that allows them to dictate pace. Michkov and Carlsson show that skill, but Fantilli does not
 
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QJL said:
For the folks in this thread who have said they would take Fantilli 1OA over Bedard (as of this season’s start)…

What is your current stance?

@KaprizovSaveUs
@Roasted Nuts
@NewEraGM
@haulinbass
@Just Linda
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My stance comes from watching both players over the course of multiple years.

I also stated that Bedard would have a great tournament and Fantilli would likely play a bottom 6 role.

You don't judge a prospect's projection based on one tournament, that's how you get people projecting Drouin over MacKinnon.

My stance on neither guy has changed, I know who both guys are and what they can do. The flaws I'm worried about for both are still there.

I'm not sure what kind of gotcha you think this is but this comes across as you watched Bedard for the first time and realized he's a gifted offensive player, that's something we've all known for a long, long time.
 
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Just Linda said:
My stance comes from watching both players over the course of multiple years.

I also stated that Bedard would have a great tournament and Fantilli would likely play a bottom 6 role.

You don't judge a prospect's projection based on one tournament, that's how you get people projecting Drouin over MacKinnon.

My stance on neither guy has changed, I know who both guys are and what they can do. The flaws I'm worried about for both are still there.

I'm not sure what kind of gotcha you think this is but this comes across as you watched Bedard for the first time and realized he's a gifted offensive player, that's something we've all known for a long, long time.
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I wouldn’t advertise that
 
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Just Linda said:
My stance comes from watching both players over the course of multiple years.

I also stated that Bedard would have a great tournament and Fantilli would likely play a bottom 6 role.

You don't judge a prospect's projection based on one tournament, that's how you get people projecting Drouin over MacKinnon.

My stance on neither guy has changed, I know who both guys are and what they can do. The flaws I'm worried about for both are still there.

I'm not sure what kind of gotcha you think this is but this comes across as you watched Bedard for the first time and realized he's a gifted offensive player, that's something we've all known for a long, long time.
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Was honestly just curious if there are still folks like you with a Fantilli preference.

For a decade I have been one of the most active prospect posters on these boards. There is even a crazy chance I have commented after dozens of Bedard and Fantilli performances over the past few years. Of course, I could just be a liar with a lot of free time.
 
Mackinnon isn't a bad comparison but the big time difference is tools. Mackinnon's are out of this world good. Remember those videos of him just skating full circles around players in Junior? Fantilli's never had that dominance. I saw him play in his minor midget year and can confirm he never dominated the game like him or even like a Byfield. Anyways, none of this is shade, I think he's a very very good player, I just wouldn't push a false narrative about him, which hfboards sometimes does based on stats.
 
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Daneurism said:
Mackinnon isn't a bad comparison but the big time difference is tools. Mackinnon's are out of this world good. Remember those videos of him just skating full circles around players in Junior? Fantilli's never had that dominance. I saw him play in his minor midget year and can confirm he never dominated the game like him or even like a Byfield. Anyways, none of this is shade, I think he's a very very good player, I just wouldn't push a false narrative about him, which hfboards sometimes does based on stats.
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MacKinnon is too powerful and explosive compared to Fantilli, even in Halifax the guy was built like a truck. Fantilli strikes me as more silky, I think Mark Scheifele is a good comparison
 
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Just Linda said:
My stance comes from watching both players over the course of multiple years.

I also stated that Bedard would have a great tournament and Fantilli would likely play a bottom 6 role.

You don't judge a prospect's projection based on one tournament, that's how you get people projecting Drouin over MacKinnon.

My stance on neither guy has changed, I know who both guys are and what they can do. The flaws I'm worried about for both are still there.

I'm not sure what kind of gotcha you think this is but this comes across as you watched Bedard for the first time and realized he's a gifted offensive player, that's something we've all known for a long, long time.
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That is whats great about this site. Everyone can have their opinion. I have Fantilli alot close to 5 overall than 1 overall.

Think he has that Shane Wright in him. Will put up good numbers but doesnt dominate games and isnt a franchise altering player. He peaked a bit early too, similar to Wright.
 
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bigdog16 said:
That is whats great about this site. Everyone can have their opinion. I have Fantilli alot close to 5 overall than 1 overall.

Think he has that Shane Wright in him. Will put up good numbers but doesnt dominate games and isnt a franchise altering player. He peaked a bit early too, similar to Wright.
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Fantilli has shown continual progression but it's a bit misleading. When is the last time he's been the *man" on his team? He's been on very deep squads both at Chicago and Michigan. He's been just okay with Team Canada. To me, he doesn't seem to be the guy that will be the centerpiece of a NHL team's offense but his skills are translatable. I'm very interested to see how he fares at the next level.
 
His skills look good but his decision making is very disappointing so far what i've seen (under 10 games). He looks like bigger version of Brad Lambert.
 
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Fantilli has shown continual progression but it's a bit misleading. When is the last time he's been the *man" on his team? He's been on very deep squads both at Chicago and Michigan. He's been just okay with Team Canada. To me, he doesn't seem to be the guy that will be the centerpiece of a NHL team's offense but his skills are translatable. I'm very interested to see how he fares at the next level.
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He is leading Michigan points, assists, 1 goal off the lead, second in assists despite playing less games. He is the man on Michigan. All the while being the youngest player on the team.

He's not Berdard of course, but he certainly stands a good chance of being in the second tier of centers at the NHL level.
 
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ottawah said:
He is leading Michigan points, assists, 1 goal off the lead, second in assists despite playing less games. He is the man on Michigan. All the while being the youngest player on the team.

He's not Berdard of course, but he certainly stands a good chance of being in the second tier of centers at the NHL level.
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I would let the season play out before we call him the man. 42% of his points were against Lindenwood and Lake Superior State who combine for an 8-28 record, they are two of the worst teams in college hockey.

Hes still a great player. But hes no Eichel.
 
ottawah said:
He is leading Michigan points, assists, 1 goal off the lead, second in assists despite playing less games. He is the man on Michigan. All the while being the youngest player on the team.

He's not Berdard of course, but he certainly stands a good chance of being in the second tier of centers at the NHL level.
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Context is important here. He's had a very good freshman campaign on a team with a lot of support. To say he is the "man" suggests something he is not. I would say there are some legitmate question marks about him being a star at the NHL level.
 
Dude is very eager to win. Could it be that at the start he was adapting to the role he was put in? A question then, why didn't he had a top 6 role in the first place I guess.
Is he more of a run and gun? He leaves that impression.
 
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