Nabrules
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Love the overreactions in this thread based on 1-2 games at the WJC lol. Never change HF.
This is nothing, you should have seen the hate Quinton Byfield was getting after the 2020 wjs lol
Love the overreactions in this thread based on 1-2 games at the WJC lol. Never change HF.
Yea, the difference is clear but I do think Fantilli is just having a few off games too. These 2 first games, the difference has looked massive, and I don’t think the difference is as big as that. Bedard clearly ahead thoughYeah there’s nothing wrong with thinking Fantilli is elite and I think he absolutely goes at least top 4 in the draft as the tools are all there, he’s just missed a bit of “wow” factor and has some IQ kinks to workout for sure.
It’s just very obvious watching them play together that Bedard is on another level.
This is nothing, you should have seen the hate Quinton Byfield was getting after the 2020 wjs lol
Ah yes PPG as a 20 year old in the AHL is soooooo bad. Everyone who properly follows the draft knew it’ll be a long game with QB and that’s okWith good reason maybe? Three years later and he's still not very good.
When Justin Schultz was in the AHL and well above a PPG people hailed him as a future elite #1 defenseman and Norris contender. 633 NHL games later he's only had more than 40 points in a season once. You're gonna need a better argument than that.Ah yes PPG as a 20 year old in the AHL is soooooo bad. Everyone who properly follows the draft knew it’ll be a long game with QB and that’s ok
How about the fact that when Schultz did that he was 3 years older than Byfield currently is? Schultz was in his sophomore year at the University of Wisconsin when he was the same age.When Justin Schultz was in the AHL and well above a PPG people hailed him as a future elite #1 defenseman and Norris contender. 633 NHL games later he's only had more than 40 points in a season once. You're gonna need a better argument than that.
That's just one example off the top of my head. AHL performance doesn't always translate to NHL results is my main point.How about the fact that when Schultz did that he was 3 years older than Byfield currently is? Schultz was in his sophomore year at the University of Wisconsin when he was the same age.
No one's really playing the "long game" with #2 overall picks, especially a player drafted out of the CHL and someone with the physical gifts Byfield has. The rightful expectation is he would step in and contribute right away in a top six role. He's had some setbacks but let's not pretend his development path is what was *expected."Ah yes PPG as a 20 year old in the AHL is soooooo bad. Everyone who properly follows the draft knew it’ll be a long game with QB and that’s ok
I don't think anyone claimed that though. They said his putting up a PPG in the AHL as a 20-year old is pretty good when someone else said he hasn't been very good. They never said it meant he was going to be a PPG player in the NHL.That's just one example off the top of my head. AHL performance doesn't always translate to NHL results is my main point.
Well that's relative as to what people's expectations are.I don't think anyone claimed that though. They said his putting up a PPG in the AHL as a 20-year old is pretty good when someone else said he hasn't been very good. They never said it meant he was going to be a PPG player in the NHL.
McDavid isn’t top 3 all time.
Bedard 18/19 [2023-24] McDavid 26/27 [2023-24] Bedard 19/20 [2024-25] McDavid 27/28 [2024-25] Bedard 20/21 [2025-26] McDavid 28/29 [2025-26] Bedard 21/22 [2026-27] McDavid 29/30 [2026-27] Bedard 22/23 [2027-28] McDavid 30/31 [2027-28] Bedard 23/24 [2028-29] McDavid 31/32 [2028-29]
I could see Bedard eventually winning in the 2028-29 season, but McDavid is likely to have 7+ Art Ross trophies by then, so Bedard is going to have to do a LOT of hardware winning to eventually be on McD's level.
Don't get me wrong, I think Bedard is an amazing prospect with the potential to be a top 5 player in the league, year-in-year-out. For me, that's still a level below McD, who is (imo) a top 3 player of all time.
Eh its only very important to guys like Craig Button. A couple weeks of hockey helps but doesnt undo years of scouting. MacKinnon's 0G 1A didnt change too much or Dubois and his disappointing performance.One thing of note for Fantilli is that he is an ‘04 for this tournament - he is absolutely underpreforming expectations.
It would similar if Mason McTavish put up 1 point through the first 2 games last year - it would have been disappointing.
Also - the WJC is such a big scouting event because you get to see where these kids are at In a best on best format. Want to know what else is a best on best format? The NHL.
Don’t go overboard one way or another in player but it is very important for player evaluation for an ‘04 like Fantilli for sure.
Why are you moving the goalposts? You responded to someone saying a PPG player as a 20 year old in the AHL is good (who was responding to someone saying he isn't very good) and now you're talking about potential career projections based entirely on speculation to support a point you're defending that no one is making.Well that's relative as to what people's expectations are.
If Byfield comes out of the A as a career 45 point player, yeah that's good. In a bubble. But is it really what you want out of a second overall pick?
Pierre Luc Dubois? He didn’t play in his draft year and wasn’t even bad the year he did play after being drafted ?Eh its only very important to guys like Craig Button. A couple weeks of hockey helps but doesnt undo years of scouting. MacKinnon's 0G 1A didnt change too much or Dubois and his disappointing performance.
Well you’d hope a 2nd overall pick would be making a half decent NHL impact by his D+3Why are you moving the goalposts? You responded to someone saying a PPG player as a 20 year old in the AHL is good (who was responding to someone saying he isn't very good) and now you're talking about potential career projections based entirely on speculation to support a point you're defending that no one is making.
If you want to say you think Stutzle was, and will continue to be, the correct pick, go for it. I'd agree. That has nothing to do with what the poster was saying though.
? The entire talk about Dubois after that tournament was about being a bust and what top prospect ever had such a poor showingPierre Luc Dubois? He didn’t play in his draft year and wasn’t even bad the year he did play after being drafted ?
Well you’d hope a 2nd overall pick would be making a half decent NHL impact by his D+3
Once again, how would PLD performance have anything to do with his draft position when he was as already drafted?? The entire talk about Dubois after that tournament was about being a bust and what top prospect ever had such a poor showing
Not draft position but peoples opinions of a prospect in general. A short tournament turned a lot of peoples opinions on him. A 3rd overall pick should be an offensive leader not a defensive role player and people took that and ran. Doesnt matter if its pre or post draft, I think people let the WJC sway their opinions of a player too much both good and bad.Once again, how would PLD performance have anything to do with his draft position when he was as already drafted?
I’m not sure who the hell you were talking to about him, but 5pts in 7games playing a defensive 3rd line role is far from “what top prospect has ever been that bad” territory?
I’m pretty sure his 6G/18pts in 20 games in the QMJHL prior to trade were what people were complaining about, saying he shouldn’t even be on the team.Not draft position but peoples opinions of a prospect in general. A short tournament turned a lot of peoples opinions on him. A 3rd overall pick should be an offensive leader not a defensive role player and people took that and ran. Doesnt matter if its pre or post draft, I think people let the WJC sway their opinions of a player too much both good and bad.
You'd also hope the team that drafted him wouldn't sign a guy who plays his same position to a 5-year deal as a FA the year after he was drafted and allow him to actually play more than 10-12 minutes a game with talented players too.Well you’d hope a 2nd overall pick would be making a half decent NHL impact by his D+3
If he was good enough he would be playing more than 10mins. He hasn’t really been very good in the NHL that can’t be debated.You'd also hope the team that drafted him wouldn't sign a guy who plays his same position to a 5-year deal as a FA the year after he was drafted and allow him to actually play more than 10-12 minutes a game with talented players too.