Evander Kane

[Bizz]

Has there even been an instance where a team buries a productive player in the AHL for off-ice issues?

 

[Mafoofoo]

Has there even been an instance where a team buries a productive player in the AHL for off-ice issues?

Probably not but Kane looks to be motivated on being the first

 

[weastern bias]

Has there even been an instance where a team buries a productive player in the AHL for off-ice issues?

It literally just happened with Tony DeAngelo

A highly productive player coming off a career year was waived and bought out because he was too much of a locker room problem

Kane is a similar situation only his buyout is much more painful due to his age

 

[Bizz]

It literally just happened with Tony DeAngelo

A highly productive player coming off a career year was waived and bought out because he was too much of a locker room problem

Kane is a similar situation only his buyout is much more painful due to his age

he was bought out, not sent to the AHL though.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Not saying Kane isn’t flawed and doesn’t deserve negative publicity, but why is a thread involving him allowed to stay open for internet years on the mains without any new info while you STILL can’t talk about why Pronger’s wife told him to force a trade out of Edmonton.

Hmmmmmmm

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

It literally just happened with Tony DeAngelo

A highly productive player coming off a career year was waived and bought out because he was too much of a locker room problem

Kane is a similar situation only his buyout is much more painful due to his age

His buyout is precisely why it won’t happen. Much easier to wash your hands of a guy near the salary bottom with no term than it is a guy like Kane.

 

[weastern bias]

he was bought out, not sent to the AHL though.

He was waived and they didn't send him to the minors because they just didn't want him around the team in general, I think the Sharks will probably do the same thing with Kane, though if they're seeking cap relief they could "assign" him to the AHL as a paper transaction and if he doesn't refuse to report then they may "suggest" he sit out under whatever pretense they choose (intervention working on his addiction, financial classes, therapy, etc.), they could even try to use it as a PR win ("look, we're helping this guy!")

Point being, DeAngelo did get waived, the Sharks have the same option

 

[Bizz]

His buyout is precisely why it won’t happen. Much easier to wash your hands of a guy near the salary bottom with no term than it is a guy like Kane.

Which is why I think only one of 3 outcomes are possible.

1. The Sharks ask Kane for a mutual contract termination. Unlikely.
2. IF #1 doesn't work, they inquire with the NHL (and NHLPA?) to seek contract termination via Personal Conduct policy. Most likely outcome but will take some time, possibly even a full year.
3. They find a team to trade his contract to. Unlikely, but its still possible.

 

[Bizz]

He was waived and they didn't send him to the minors because they just didn't want him around the team in general, I think the Sharks will probably do the same thing with Kane, though if they're seeking cap relief they could "assign" him to the AHL as a paper transaction and if he doesn't refuse to report then they may "suggest" he sit out under whatever pretense they choose (intervention working on his addiction, financial classes, therapy, etc.), they could even try to use it as a PR win ("look, we're helping this guy!")

Point being, DeAngelo did get waived, the Sharks have the same option

Maybe. I just don't see Kane wearing a Cuda sweater next season. It doesn't make sense.

 

[weastern bias]

His buyout is precisely why it won’t happen. Much easier to wash your hands of a guy near the salary bottom with no term than it is a guy like Kane.

I would agree if they hadn't just shortsightedly bought out Jones, Doug has shown a propensity in recent years to trade long term franchise health for short term gains, a Kane buyout to "fix the locker room" but leaving us with cap penalties until 2028 seems right up his alley

 

[weastern bias]

Maybe. I just don't see Kane wearing a Cuda sweater next season. It doesn't make sense.

I don't either, I think if they send him down he would simply refuse assignment and sit out

 

[Kcoyote3]

I don't either, I think if they send him down he would simply refuse assignment and sit out

I believe Sharks could terminate contract at that point if he doesn't report though. So he'd probably show up cause he needs the money

 

[DrFeelgood]

Watching him play for the Barracuda would be pretty hilarious, I might turn up to their new rink just to boo the guy

 

[weastern bias]

I believe Sharks could terminate contract at that point if he doesn't report though. So he'd probably show up cause he needs the money

I don't know enough about the CBA to know if refusing assignment constitutes a material breach of contract, but if the f/o can get out of this without a buyout penalty it will definitely be better for the health of the team

It does seem like the org is gonna cut ties at the soonest possible opportunity, we haven't heard a peep out of anyone coming to Kane's defense through all of this, I think they're done sticking up for him

 

[Herschel]

The only thing regarding Kane that is new is the allegation regarding betting on NHL games. Assuming nothing comes up during the investigation I suspect Kane is on the opening night roster.

I also suspect the locker room issues will somewhat sort themselves out assuming the team has success on the ice and Covid restrictions are limited. Last season was the perfect condition to grow locker room issues. Players were mentally stressed, spending huge amounts of time away from friends and families with their primary social contact being with their teammates.

 

[tealzamboni]

At best Kane is another cautionary tale for athletes in not becoming addicted to gambling.

Certain GMs could also learn about not gambling and falling into franchise-crushing debt.
Then, convoluting the situation and finding distractions to cover it up.

 

[Nolan11]

Amid Controversy, Sharks Star Evander Kane Selling $3.2M Home (realtor.com)

 

[tealzamboni]

I don't live in a glass house and I won't stoop to trashing a guy because his life is public and his mistakes and decisions are front page news. Doesn't make me better than the next fan, just my thought on it. Hope everything gets resolved and all of his debts get paid. I sincerely hope the betting allegations aren't true. I like Kane as a player and feel after all of this, ironically, he could become a better leader. Maybe teach the younger guys to learn from his mistakes. Resilience, perseverance and all that. Wishful thinking I know. I just don't want it to be true cause that's also really ugly. I want to believe there's some decency in Kane as a man and a professional.

IMO for better or worse, this is the legal process at play. It's judging his past misdeeds in order to find a settlement. The legal teams and judge have likely discussed the juicy details for well over a year. So, those in the know have been sitting on the info for some time. The crafting of the story, making it public, and its timing are likely all by design. And some details may never be made public. Ultimately, what's being played out is part of the legal price to settle those misdeeds.

And none of this is to say Kane is good or bad. Once his past misdeeds are settled, we'll see how good/bad he is in the present. Maybe he turns a new leaf, maybe it's uncertain what he's up to, or maybe the league/team comes down on him with a newer finding.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don't know enough about the CBA to know if refusing assignment constitutes a material breach of contract, but if the f/o can get out of this without a buyout penalty it will definitely be better for the health of the team

It does seem like the org is gonna cut ties at the soonest possible opportunity, we haven't heard a peep out of anyone coming to Kane's defense through all of this, I think they're done sticking up for him

At worst, if he’s loaned to the AHL and won’t report, it’s something where they can suspend him without pay and not count against the cap. Mutual termination may be what the pursue but they could attempt a contract termination for it and see what happens.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

The only thing regarding Kane that is new is the allegation regarding betting on NHL games. Assuming nothing comes up during the investigation I suspect Kane is on the opening night roster.

I also suspect the locker room issues will somewhat sort themselves out assuming the team has success on the ice and Covid restrictions are limited. Last season was the perfect condition to grow locker room issues. Players were mentally stressed, spending huge amounts of time away from friends and families with their primary social contact being with their teammates.

There is a shit ton of smoke on the guy for years but nothing ever sticks. Teammates probably grow tired of all the noise and attention that goes along with it more than disliking Kane personally.

Kane doesn’t seem like a great guy or anything, but a-holes are easier to deal with when they play like top-liners.

 

[The Nemesis]

Not saying Kane isn’t flawed and doesn’t deserve negative publicity, but why is a thread involving him allowed to stay open for internet years on the mains without any new info while you STILL can’t talk about why Pronger’s wife told him to force a trade out of Edmonton.

Hmmmmmmm

I can't speak to the main board but here at least this thread stays open because it's related to an ongoing matter that impacts the Sharks and is restricted to talking about the facts of the issue as they pertain to the Sharks and not engaging in the kind of speculation that crosses the line into libel. And for the most part except where the mods have had to address stuff, it has.

The whole Chris Pronger thing is 100% speculation and hearsay and people trying to claim with authority that he forced his way out of Edmonton because of his wife is pure conjecture and potentially libelous. There has never been any substantive evidence or proof surrounding the reason Pronger was traded from Edmonton other than the cited "personal reasons" given at the time. Pronger, his wife, his representation, and the Oilers have never made any claims or specifics behind the decision.

If people in this thread started making broad assumptions about the parties involved in this issue and claiming things that demean or damage any of the parties involved, it would have to be shut down too. In fact it already was shut down previously for that very reason.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

I think we should get rid of him as long as we aren’t paying to do it just because all this is a huge distraction, even though he’s a phenomenal player.

Even if he’s innocent of most of what’s being accused, he’s still setting himself up to even be accused and/or hanging out with people that put him in these positions.

TLDR: Great player, but not worth the headaches anymore. Bury him and tell him not to report or trade/terminate contract if it doesn’t cost any assets/cap space.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

I kinda feel like today’s news really shouldn’t change opinions on Kane. This isn’t new… news… but rather an artifact of previously known news. Nothing about this news changes anything about Kane’s relationship to the team and org in any meaningful way.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

I kinda feel like today’s news really shouldn’t change opinions on Kane. This isn’t new… news… but rather an artifact of previously known news. Nothing about this news changes anything about Kane’s relationship to the team and org in any meaningful way.

Yeah this is about something from 3 years ago but its new all of a sudden?

 

[landshark]

Yeah this is about something from 3 years ago but its new all of a sudden?

I think the "new" part is the BK judge allowing that "pay for the abortion" lawsuit to proceed since I think it was put on hold due to the BK hearings? I read the "this lawyer said this," "this judge said that" article a day ago or so, whenever it came out, so I might be confusing the details.

EDIT: found the article (paywall):
Judge rules Sharks' Evander Kane must face discovery in abortion-for-pay lawsuit

A federal bankruptcy judge gave the go-ahead for discovery in a lawsuit filed by Hope Parker, who alleges Kane reneged on a promise to pay her at least $2 million if she aborted their pregnancy.
That means Parker, who first sued in 2018 in California state court, can begin seeking testimony and electronic correspondence from Kane, who says he changed his mind about paying Parker before she sent him proof of the abortion. That argument did not win over bankruptcy judge Stephen Johnson.

Parker’s case in California was delayed by the COVID-19 pandemic, and then stayed since Kane’s January bankruptcy filing.