Entire Russian U-18 team replaced due to positive drug tests

[Siberian]

They have zero understanding how WADA tests for meldonium. Wow. Just wow.

You do realize that they're a WADA-authorized anti-doping agency themselves? They conduct drug tests for God's sake.

Do you even understand what I am talking about? I am not talking about Latvian anti-doping agency, I am talking about the idiots who started calculating time by dividing by 2 every every 15 hours and then making a statement that one should be clear of it in 1-2 months.


http://sportacentrs.com/hokejs/28032016-mildronats_drosie_tirie_un_riska_zona
Latvian Anti-Doping Agency head Gatis Berķis explains that creates confusion and different half-life period, the duration of the various literatures that interferes with pinpoint when Meldonium completely leave the body. "It's very difficult, because it is dependent on many different conditions. We tried to make calculations, but come to realize that everything is not so simple. "

The calculation is further complicated by the question of the same half-life period. If an athlete is eating one 500mg capsule, then after 15 hours the body is left 250mg, even after 15 hours - 125mg etc. If you continue to divide by two, then the figure will become increasingly smaller, but will never be zero. "In order to get a laboratory certificate for each substance present some minimum level, but meldonium case it is not fixed. Thus, a single laboratory can detect smaller meldonium in the body than in another laboratory. Are inclined to think that it is sufficient for two months, but try to calculate a more accurate , "says Berķis.

 

[Backami]

It's Russia, and Tretiak:

"Oops, we got caught!"

"Substitute U-17 team for U-18 team."

"Glory for Mother Russia!"

Tretiak and the Soviet team were shooting up before every Olympics and World Championship before doping tests. What a mess.

The Warsaw Pact teams had systemic doping throughout the Cold War. ****, an East German track star had to become a man because of her developments.

At the end of the day, Russia needs to suspended from international tournaments for a year or two.

At the end of the day ...stop talking nonsense

 

[Ingvar]

Most of discussion in this thread is so

Russian hockey community was seriously worried after Cherepanov's incident. I wouldn't be surprised if every player in MHL got meldonium since it is supposed to lower the risk of heart attack. Why wouldn't they take it - it was a legal substance that could probably help you avoid a painful death.

Meldonium was banned since January 1st. I don't expect competency from anyone in Russia so I can easily suspect that doctors of U-18 team could continue to give it after that. But it is impossible that they continued to give since Sharapova failure so it doesn't take 2-4 days to get out of your body.

The last two reminders:
1) There was no official statement yet so it's better to wait for it until forming your final judgement.
2) There is no reason to ban Russian team from anywhere because they didn't test positive in any official competition. It is a story of incompetence and not a story of crime.

 

[KarIgo87]

It was reported that Svechnikov and a few other '00 players could be in NT. I guess it means that half of U17 team won't be at Grand Forks because half of team plays in MHL (for HC MVD), so it'll be even weaker team than we could imagine.

 

[kp61c]

It was reported that Svechnikov and a few other '00 players could be in NT. I guess it means that half of U17 team won't be at Grand Forks because half of team plays in MHL (for HC MVD), so it'll be even weaker team than we could imagine.

to be frank, svechnikov is better than almost everyone on the u17 team, he'd be there. if he's clean, of course, lol.

 

[Flynn84]

half of team plays in MHL (for HC MVD), so it'll be even weaker team than we could imagine.

It is much more than a half.

 

[GX]

They can disqualify them (individuals) from the Olympics, but not from KHL play. They have no jurisdiction over private entities.

Not entirely true, as already pointed out earlier in this thread. Guess why Freibergs and Pavlovs spent the past two seasons in North America and not the KHL?

 

[KarIgo87]

to be frank, svechnikov is better than almost everyone on the u17 team, he'd be there. if he's clean, of course, lol.

He is. But not that much. Our U17 team is pretty good actually despite a lot of people say that our '99 is weak.

It is much more than a half.

Well, there were a lot of players from Loko-Junior (MHL-B) who played for U17. Many players from that team play in Open Moscow Championship. So I would say that half a team played in MHL. And though a lot of teams used meldonium as vitamins it doesn't mean that all of them did it. So maybe HC MVD were smarter.

 

[Caser]

According to Pavel Klimovitskiy (link) (and I trust him a bit more than other journalists, as he was frequently getting some exclusive material from U18 NT), meldonium was used in the team until November.

 

[Siberian]

TSN lied, no players were tested. http://www.sports.ru/hockey/1038878280.html

To me this is a note to myself to always check TSN's info from now on. They used to be reliable and now they use blogers with low reputation for sensationalism.

Just as I explained yesterday the reason for team replacement is that they learnt that meldonium stays much longer than the producer claimed 1 to 2 months. The information is that Russian U-18 players stopped taking this drug early Nov 2015. There is already an unnamed athlete who tested positive 7 months after last use. The decision was to just send players who never took the meldonium.

 

[Flynn84]

Extended roster.

Goalkeepers: Maxim Zhukov ( "Lokomotiv"), Daniil Tarasov ( "Salavat Yulaev").

Defenders: Alexander Alekseev ( "SKA-Silver Lions"), Veniamin Baranov ( "Dynamo" Saint Petersburg), Dmitry Zaitsev ( "Wilkes-Barrie / Scranton Knights"), Mikhail Kozlov ( "Lokomotiv"), Alexander Osin, Mark Rubinchik (both - "Dynamo" M), Alex Rarov, Dmitry Samorukov (both - CSKA Moscow), Mikhail Sergachyov ( "Windsor Spitfire").

Forwards: Vitaly Abramov ( "Gatineau Olympic"), Yaroslav Alekseev, Mihail Bitsadze, Paul Demin, Klim Kostin, Alexei Lipanov, Ivan Chekhovich (all - "Dynamo" M), Andrew Grishakov ( "Tractor"), Ivan Kozlov ( "Lokomotiv" ), Vladimir Kuznetsov ( "Acadie-Batyurst Titan"), Daniel Lobanov, Alexey Statsenko (both - CSKA Moscow), Kirill Maximov ( "Saginaw Spirit"), Maxim Marushev, Andrey Svechnikov (both - "Ak Bars"), German Poddubny ( "Philadelphia Flyers Junior").

 

[Caser]

Extended roster.

Goalkeepers: Maxim Zhukov ( "Lokomotiv"), Daniil Tarasov ( "Salavat Yulaev").

Defenders: Alexander Alekseev ( "SKA-Silver Lions"), Benjamin Baranov ( "Dynamo" Saint Petersburg), Dmitry Zaitsev ( "Wilkes-Barrie / Scranton Knights"), Mikhail Kozlov ( "Lokomotiv"), Alexander Osin, Mark Rubinchik (both - "Dynamo" M), Alex Rarov, Dmitry Samorukov (both - CSKA Moscow), Mikhail Sergachyov ( "Windsor Spitfire").

Forwards: Vitaly Abramov ( "Gatineau Olympic"), Yaroslav Alekseev, Mihail Bitsadze, Paul Demin, Klim Kostin, Alexei Lipanov, Ivan Chekhovich (all - "Dynamo" M), Andrew Grishakov ( "Tractor"), Ivan Kozlov ( "Lokomotiv" ), Vladimir Kuznetsov ( "Acadie-Batyurst Titan"), Daniel Lobanov, Alexey Statsenko (both - CSKA Moscow), Kirill Maximov ( "Saginaw Spirit"), Maxim Marushev, Andrey Svechnikov (both - "Ak Bars"), German Poddubny ( "Philadelphia Flyers Junior").

Interesting that Rubinchik is there, but he was with the U18 NT until something like middle of October.

Minullin and Sholokhov aren't there and they had just joined the team.

Anyway, for this roster, just avoiding relagation will be a fine result.

 

[kulenova seka]

Hopefully their U17 won't be relegated.

 

[Yakushev72]

I guess you missed this: http://en.khl.ru/news/2016/03/04/241988.html

I am distinguishing between in-house, state-run drug control agencies and WADA, which can seek to ban athletes from international competition. Obviously, in the past, the Russian drug control agency has had some "gaps" in coverage. If the KHL drug protocols are as strict as this memo claims, does it mean that all KHL players are clean?

 

[kabidjan18]

Hopefully their U17 won't be relegated.

Nah, there's Latvia, and Latvia's roster this year might as well be U17.

 

[Chadstudsky]

PEDs should be allowed in all sports. These guys have short careers. Let them take whatever they want. Assuming of course they don't have a pre existing heart condition.

 

[ovikovy817]

1, We don't even know if it was because of meldonium.

2, If it was because of meldonium, most of you (to not say everybody) don't even know what you are talking about. It's not something that improve your capabilities, it's just to protect your heart.

I don't think you can improve your capabilities with something you can buy in a store by your self for 3$ (yes, 3, three).


And I'd like to add this.
Where is the presumption of innocence, that the "civilized" world like so much? Oh yeah, I forgot, it doesn't work for russian athletes, pff pathetic.

 

[Fantomas]

According to Pavel Klimovitskiy (link) (and I trust him a bit more than other journalists, as he was frequently getting some exclusive material from U18 NT), meldonium was used in the team until November.

If this is true, and considering that WADA themselves do not know how long it takes meldonium to leave the body, there should be mass resignations within WADA.

 

[Fantomas]

The Cherepanov excuse is not even mildly convincing. Team trainers fed players meldonium because Cherepanov had a weakened heart? What a dumb thing to say.

Cherepanov died because his condition wasn't diagnosed. Not because he wasn't taking meldonium.

 

[Fantomas]

Extended roster.

Goalkeepers: Maxim Zhukov ( "Lokomotiv"), Daniil Tarasov ( "Salavat Yulaev").

Defenders: Alexander Alekseev ( "SKA-Silver Lions"), Veniamin Baranov ( "Dynamo" Saint Petersburg), Dmitry Zaitsev ( "Wilkes-Barrie / Scranton Knights"), Mikhail Kozlov ( "Lokomotiv"), Alexander Osin, Mark Rubinchik (both - "Dynamo" M), Alex Rarov, Dmitry Samorukov (both - CSKA Moscow), Mikhail Sergachyov ( "Windsor Spitfire").

Forwards: Vitaly Abramov ( "Gatineau Olympic"), Yaroslav Alekseev, Mihail Bitsadze, Paul Demin, Klim Kostin, Alexei Lipanov, Ivan Chekhovich (all - "Dynamo" M), Andrew Grishakov ( "Tractor"), Ivan Kozlov ( "Lokomotiv" ), Vladimir Kuznetsov ( "Acadie-Batyurst Titan"), Daniel Lobanov, Alexey Statsenko (both - CSKA Moscow), Kirill Maximov ( "Saginaw Spirit"), Maxim Marushev, Andrey Svechnikov (both - "Ak Bars"), German Poddubny ( "Philadelphia Flyers Junior").

An interesting roster. Seeing Svechnikov will be a treat.

 

[Fantomas]

The drug’s creator, the Latvian company Grindeks, told The Associated Press that the drug could remain in the body for several months. Mutko has accused WADA of not carrying out laboratory tests to establish the period needed for meldonium to exit athletes’ systems, saying they had relied on general guidelines given on the drugs’ user instructions.

The real problem in all of this is that the athletes have no say, no union, in this process. They just get railroaded like this.

It is one thing for a cheater to get caught, but for athletes to suffer because they function within particular societal norms and an environment of confusion about an under-researched drug does not seem fair to me.

 

[Namejs]

Do you even understand what I am talking about? I am not talking about Latvian anti-doping agency, I am talking about the idiots who started calculating time by dividing by 2 every every 15 hours and then making a statement that one should be clear of it in 1-2 months.


http://sportacentrs.com/hokejs/28032016-mildronats_drosie_tirie_un_riska_zona
Latvian Anti-Doping Agency head Gatis Berķis explains that creates confusion and different half-life period, the duration of the various literatures that interferes with pinpoint when Meldonium completely leave the body. "It's very difficult, because it is dependent on many different conditions. We tried to make calculations, but come to realize that everything is not so simple. "

The calculation is further complicated by the question of the same half-life period. If an athlete is eating one 500mg capsule, then after 15 hours the body is left 250mg, even after 15 hours - 125mg etc. If you continue to divide by two, then the figure will become increasingly smaller, but will never be zero. "In order to get a laboratory certificate for each substance present some minimum level, but meldonium case it is not fixed. Thus, a single laboratory can detect smaller meldonium in the body than in another laboratory. Are inclined to think that it is sufficient for two months, but try to calculate a more accurate , "says Berķis.

I see that you've borrowed Kremlin's propaganda methods.

Just because you call the people actually responsible for analyzing drug tests 'idiots' and 'liars' constantly, it doesn't make it true and it sure doesn't help your cause. You're just looking like a very desperate and a very ignorant Russian apologetic.

 

[Siberian]

I see that you've borrowed Kremlin's propaganda methods.

Just because you call the people actually responsible for analyzing drug tests 'idiots' and 'liars' constantly, it doesn't make it true and it sure doesn't help your cause. You're just looking like a very desperate and a very ignorant Russian apologetic.

Slapping facts of your face is a Kremlin propaganda? I am done with you. You are latysh kolhoznik since you chose this way of dialogue.

 

[Namejs]

Nah, there's Latvia, and Latvia's roster this year might as well be U17.

If they had actually sent their U-17 team, we would've been the favorites in that game. Their D corps is awful, no good goalie prospects either, as far as I know. Nothing spectacular in offense either.

But they won't be sending their U-17 team, as it was already pointed out. There's plenty of NA-based NHL draft prospects that will make the team competitive.

 

[Namejs]

Slapping facts of your face is a Kremlin propaganda? I am done with you.

Facts? You haven't brought up a single shred of evidence in this thread. Your modus of action has been to call everyone disagreeing with your pro-Russian, apologetic views a 'liar' or an 'idiot'.