Entire Russian U-18 team replaced due to positive drug tests

[Jussi]

It is ONLY about politics from the get go. Otherwise they would ban equivalent drugs used in the west.

What equivalent drugs? If you're going to keep saying this, you should at least name some.

This. Please list similar drugs that are easily available over the counter outside of Eastern Europe that should be banned based on your expert medical knowledge.

 

[Yakushev72]

What equivalent drugs? If you're going to keep saying this, you should at least name some.

Mildronate, its market name, is a non-prescription drug, so maybe aspirin, cough syrup, tablets for indigestion, who knows? The problem is that WADA has never specified, to my knowledge, what properties of Mildronate confer a performance advantage in sports. So how would you know what an equivalent drug would be if you don't even know what the drug is supposed to do. The label says it protects your heart, so what heart protection drugs do you take? What is meant by "heart protection?"

Aspirin is used as a heart protection drug because it has properties that help to dissolve blood clots. So any drug that has anti-inflammatory properties should be banned, even though athletes constantly suffer from severe inflammation. Or at least that's my expert medical opinion. The drug was only developed very recently in Latvia, in 1970, and we all know that there have been no new developments in pharmaceuticals since 1970.

 

[Macman]

Mildronate, its market name, is a non-prescription drug, so maybe aspirin, cough syrup, tablets for indigestion, who knows? The problem is that WADA has never specified, to my knowledge, what properties of Mildronate confer a performance advantage in sports. So how would you know what an equivalent drug would be if you don't even know what the drug is supposed to do. The label says it protects your heart, so what heart protection drugs do you take? What is meant by "heart protection?"

Aspirin is used as a heart protection drug because it has properties that help to dissolve blood clots. So any drug that has anti-inflammatory properties should be banned, even though athletes constantly suffer from severe inflammation. Or at least that's my expert medical opinion. The drug was only developed very recently in Latvia, in 1970, and we all know that there have been no new developments in pharmaceuticals since 1970.

In other words, you're just guessing and grasping at straws. Anyone with even minimal experience with cough syrup and other cold medications knows they would only enhance your performance at the Sleep Olympics.

 

[Periwinkle]

Reading this thread is bizarre, people without better knowledge offering opinions whether the drug enhances performance or not. Wouldn't that type of discussion at least had to entail to links to peer-reviewed science literature, or at the very least, links to articles discussing the matter in layman's terms? The most ridiculous posts are the ones saying WADA will have "blood on their hands" if an athlete dies because of lack of use for heart conditions - again, if there are clinical tests to show this drug prevents this this from happening to the degree that all athletes (even ones without diagnosed conditions) should be taking it, please do link these studies.

Also, the WADA ruling is about not knowing how long it takes for the drug to leave the system, hence new rule, not backing down on the original banning decision because of lack of knowledge. There seems to be differing opinion of the ped qualities, but please cite the stories correctly.

 

[Atas2000]

What equivalent drugs? If you're going to keep saying this, you should at least name some.

Oh,now you want to take part in that political thing? Athelets are taking alot of stuff nowadays. Live with it. Blood clots are not there due to good health monitoring.

http://roidvisor.com/performance-enhancing-drugs-used-by-elite-athletes-that-are-surprisingly-legal/

Enjoy.

 

[Macman]

Oh,now you want to take part in that political thing? Athelets are taking alot of stuff nowadays. Live with it. Blood clots are not there due to good health monitoring.

http://roidvisor.com/performance-enhancing-drugs-used-by-elite-athletes-that-are-surprisingly-legal/

Enjoy.

So you post a link to a story that states that meldonium IS used as a performance-enhancer and that a second drug is already on the WADA watch list and could be headed for a full ban. The third drug mentioned isn't generally used to enhance performance but to cut weight. Well done.

 

[Atas2000]

So you post a link to a story that states that meldonium IS used as a performance-enhancer and that a second drug is already on the WADA watch list and could be headed for a full ban. The third drug mentioned isn't generally used to enhance performance but to cut weight. Well done.

You don't seem to understand.. many things actually.

Performance enchacer?When a player eats a steak he does it to enchance his performance. If a player uses a better stick he enchances his performance. There is absolutely nothing wrong about performance enchacement. There are just rules, that draw a line between allowed and banned enchancements.

Have you actually read my posts? The problem is not that they ban meldonium or not. The problem is that they do it only with meldonium hence deliberately trying to hit people who use it and obvously it's mostly eastern european athletes while giving others(i.e. mostly western atheletes) a free pass with their drugs. Who cares what's on the watch list? It's not banned and nobody gets a ban because of it.

Cutting weight is done for what reason? To enchance performance. Just like meldonium is used to protect the muscles and thus to enchance perofmance. If they think that's not okay, no problem, just ban all other stuff too. Right now WADA ia corrupt bunch serving political games.

Btw, why do I have to agree with everything in the article?

 

[Yakushev72]

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So you post a link to a story that states that meldonium IS used as a performance-enhancer and that a second drug is already on the WADA watch list and could be headed for a full ban. The third drug mentioned isn't generally used to enhance performance but to cut weight. Well done.

I think his point is that WADA has already banned well-known performance enhancers, and now they find themselves trying to find something to do all day long. Stimulants like Meldonium, Coca-Cola and Starbuck's coffee? That will help to keep WADA relevant to competition!

 

[Caser]

They haven't stepped back from their claims. It's still banned. They just don't know, like everyone else it seems, how long it takes to clear. WADA should have given a longer grace period from the outset. And Russian officials should have ensured that the players stopped taking it the moment it was on the WADA watch list last year. Maybe they did, but it doesn't sound like it.

WADA currently has caffeine and nicotine on the watchlist, should Russian officials (or maybe officials from other countries too) take some action about it already?

 

[Yakushev72]

WADA currently has caffeine and nicotine on the watchlist, should Russian officials (or maybe officials from other countries too) take some action about it already?

Its main properties are apparently very similar to Coca-Cola and other similar sugary caffeine drinks - it aids glucose metabolism and it has caffeine that stimulates fast recovery. North American athletes consume gallons of these drinks every day, without penalty from WADA.

 

[Kshahdoo]

If they had actually sent their U-17 team, we would've been the favorites in that game. Their D corps is awful, no good goalie prospects either, as far as I know. Nothing spectacular in offense either.

But they won't be sending their U-17 team, as it was already pointed out. There's plenty of NA-based NHL draft prospects that will make the team competitive.

Nice observation.

 

[Jussi]

Its main properties are apparently very similar to Coca-Cola and other similar sugary caffeine drinks - it aids glucose metabolism and it has caffeine that stimulates fast recovery. North American athletes consume gallons of these drinks every day, without penalty from WADA.

No professional athlete, well at least shouldn't drink any of those drinks during games because there arre fa better liquids to consume. It's water or actual sports drinks that don't kill your stomach.

 

[Macman]

That video is priceless, but don't worry, the meldonium neutralizes the heart-imploding properties of the Pepsi.

 

[BlitzSnipe]

That video is priceless, but don't worry, the meldonium neutralizes the heart-imploding properties of the Pepsi.

Do you have evidence that Radulov or Kovalchuk use meldonium?

 

[Zine]

After whipping the world hockey media into a frenzy by tweeting about meldonium 24/7, Malamud has posted only 2 tweets about WADA backing off its initial stance.

What a dirtbag.

 

[BlitzSnipe]

After whipping the world hockey media into a frenzy by tweeting about meldonium 24/7, Malamud has posted only 2 tweets about WADA backing off its initial stance.

What a dirtbag.

This is probably happening because Russian officials are starting to crack down on WADA using legal means.

 

[Siberian]

After whipping the world hockey media into a frenzy by tweeting about meldonium 24/7, Malamud has posted only 2 tweets about WADA backing off its initial stance.

What a dirtbag.

Just ignore him. Also, any sports related media that gives a tribune to this Moldovan born American blogger (who portrays himself as a Russian sports writer) to have his anti-Russian and anti-Ovechkin slurs be heard is immediately put on my personal blacklist. Sportsnet is one and just recently I had to add Bob Mckenzie who re-tweeted that non-sense.