Entire Russian U-18 team replaced due to positive drug tests

[Siberian]

Political tool? Sorry, but that's just hilarious. The substance was added to the list, responsible people should have noticed it. How long should the process take in your opinion? 5 years?

Do you know how long this stuff detected after last use? No, because even WADA doesn't since there were no clear directions to athletes nor to federations how long before the drug should have been stopped from using. It was done in a shady way for clear agenda which we are seeing right now to discredit Russian sport.

 

[Jakk123]

Do you know how long this stuff detected after last use? No, because even WADA doesn't since there were no clear directions to athletes nor to federations how long before the drug should have been stopped from using. It was done in a shady way for clear agenda which we are seeing right now to discredit Russian sport.

In that case I must admit you are right. The question is, did they stop taking meldonium after the ban? If yes, I would definitely take legal action againts WADA. If not, it's their fault.

 

[KarIgo87]

Do you have any actual evidence to support that claim?

Of course not, that was just my guess, logical one. Nobody knows how long it really takes to get it off the system. Apparently information about several days was inaccurate. I heard that MHL players stopped taking meldonium in December based on false information that it won't take more than month to take it off the system. Clearly after 4 months it was still in theirs system. They're not enemies to themselves. Situation with meldonium is ridiculous, the amount of athletes caught on it is too big to cast the blame entirely on them. Clearly it takes too long to clear your blood off it. This issue wasn't properly studied by WADA.

 

[Theokritos]

Because she deleted it without reading. If she thought it carried any useful information she would read that and be informed. That was the whole idea of WADA to keep it a low profile until the last moment and then start nailing.

And they only do that to Russian athletes?

 

[Siberian]

In that case, I must admit you are right. The question is, did they stop taking meldonium after the ban? If yes, I would definitely take legal action againts WADA. If not, it's their fault.

The news on Sharapova came out early March, that is when Russian sport learnt that Meldonium is prohibited. First of all why March instead of January when she tested positive?? Because WADA was interested in delaying it as close as possible to the Olympics! Clearly one month was not enough because the Russians now learnt that Meldonium stays detected for at least 4 months, and apparently one unnamed athlete claims he took it seven months prior being tested positive for it. I believe now Russian sports learnt that there is a lot of athletes affected by earlier intake of meldonium so this can be a reason why U-18 team is being pulled.

 

[tempest2i]

Hold on here, an entire hockey team of minors were taking a drug that they believe has no performance enhancing qualities because Cherepanov had an undiagnosed heart condition?

That makes no sense.

 

[Jakk123]

The news on Sharapova came out early March, that is when Russian sport learnt that Meldonium is prohibited. First of all why March instead of January when she tested positive?? Because WADA was interested in delaying it as close as possible to the Olympics! Clearly one month was not enough because the Russians now learnt that Meldonium stays detected for at least 4 months, and apparently one unnamed athlete claims he took it seven months prior being tested positive for it. I believe now Russian sports learnt that there is a lot of athletes affected by earlier intake of meldonium so this can be a reason why U-18 team is being pulled.

The ban came out in January, so the Russian sport should have learned in January. But of course, my previous post still applies. And why March? I guess because she took the test in March.

 

[Siberian]

The ban came out in January, so the Russian sport should have learned in January. But of course, my previous post still applies. And why March? I guess because she took the test in March.

Australian open is held in January.

 

[KarIgo87]

Hold on here, an entire hockey team of minors were taking a drug that they believe has no performance enhancing qualities because Cherepanov had an undiagnosed heart condition?

That makes no sense.

Believe it or not, but since 2007 it was part of training process to take it in russian junior hockey, doctors gave it to players like vitamins as a precaution. Whether it's good or bad it was like that and nobody thought of it as a potentially illegal drug for performance-enhancing. Well, at least nobody thought it was illegal or can be bad for health. And I believe parents knew about that and thought little of it because it's not suspicious to take some vitamins for health. Of course now in the eyes of the (western) world since WADA banned it, it's become some evil drug that can kill you. But try to get a new angle on this.

 

[Siberian]

TSN is saying that more than 15 Russian hockey U-18 players tested positive for Meldonium. That is how BS is recirculated when you rely on unproven blogger. The reason is a little different as far as my insider tells me. Due to the fact that Russians learnt about Meldonium in March and they stopped it in March they can assume that there is no reason of sending players who can test positive since the drug stays detected for much longer than what manufacturer claims.

Funny and very ironic thing is that the blogger says the info came from allhockey.ru where allhockey.ru just posted an article that says that TSN informs more than 15 players tested positive. http://allhockey.ru/news/show/25395...ii_U18_sdali_polozhitel_nyj_test_na_mel_donij This is such a ridiculous recirculation of a unreliable rumor.

 

[Siberian]

So now all Russian media picked up TSN rumor http://www.gazeta.ru/sport/news/2016/04/07/n_8470295.shtml

This is hilarious. A rumor came from a hockey nobody, picked up by TSN and now it is all over Russian media.

 

[jonas2244]

Due to the fact that Russians learnt about Meldonium in March and they stopped it in March they can assume that there is no risk of sending players who can test positive since the drug stays detected for much longer than what manufacturer claims.

I just cannot believe that they learnt it in March as the first positive tests for Meldonium were already known in January. And if they used it the first 3 months it means they weren't clean the first 3 months of the year.

 

[Siberian]

I just cannot believe that they learnt it in March as the first positive tests for Meldonium were already known in January. And if they used it the first 3 months it means they weren't clean the first 3 months of the year.

Russians learnt of a first positive test on Meldonium in March. Do you have information on a test results announced in January?

 

[Siberian]

Here is a thing, I am more than sure that players from U-20 Russia would test positive for Meldonium. The tourney starts in 2015 but ended in 2016 so team Russia should have been disqualified. Why wasn't it done then? Simple, because WADA targeted Olympics, not insignificant U-20 hockey tournament. It was WADA's shady plan to keep it quiet until the last moment.

 

[Caser]

So far WADA has data for 140 athletes who tested positive for meldonium, not only from Russia, of course.

 

[tempest2i]

Believe it or not, but since 2007 it was part of training process to take it in russian junior hockey, doctors gave it to players like vitamins as a precaution. Whether it's good or bad it was like that and nobody thought of it as a potentially illegal drug for performance-enhancing. Well, at least nobody thought it was illegal or can be bad for health. And I believe parents knew about that and thought little of it because it's not suspicious to take some vitamins for health. Of course now in the eyes of the (western) world since WADA banned it, it's become some evil drug that can kill you. But try to get a new angle on this.

I have trouble believing that a collection of highly trained medical professionals would respond to Alexei's death by implementing a large scale program to give what appears to be a lot of Russian athletes a drug designed for middle aged people with angina.

I recognize that it's possible.

It just seems unlikely (and a massive over reaction).

 

[KarIgo87]

I have trouble believing that a collection of highly trained medical professionals would respond to Alexei's death by implementing a large scale program to give what appears to be a lot of Russian athletes a drug designed for middle aged people with angina.

I recognize that it's possible.

It just seems unlikely (and a massive over reaction).

It's a cardioprotector. It also helps when you're tired so why not to take it if it was legal? But of course Captain Hindsight is always right.

 

[jonas2244]

Russians learnt of a first positive test on Meldonium in March. Do you have information on a test results announced in January?

http://www.sport1.de/wintersport/bi...ukrainerin-olga-abramowa-unter-dopingverdacht

It's in German, but the article is from the 9th of February and says that a female from the Ukraine who does Biathlon was positif on Meldonium.
Rumors were floating around in January, especially in Biathlon and Cross Country skiing. They should have known that.

 

[Caser]

I have trouble believing that a collection of highly trained medical professionals would respond to Alexei's death by implementing a large scale program to give what appears to be a lot of Russian athletes a drug designed for middle aged people with angina.

I recognize that it's possible.

It just seems unlikely (and a massive over reaction).

It's not exactly that, for example, I was given that when I was 11 year old.

 

[Siberian]

http://www.sport1.de/wintersport/bi...ukrainerin-olga-abramowa-unter-dopingverdacht

It's in German, but the article is from the 9th of February and says that a female from the Ukraine who does Biathlon was positif on Meldonium.
Rumors were floating around in January, especially in Biathlon and Cross Country skiing. They should have known that.

Well, that doesn't give us much since Ukraine is not Russia. Can you find when was the first Russian athlete announced with Meldonium?

 

[tempest2i]

Well, that doesn't give us much since Ukraine is not Russia. Can you find when was the first Russian athlete announced with Meldonium?

Eduard Vorganov was announced on Feb 5.

Edit: He failed his test on Jan 14, 3 weeks before it was announced.

 

[Siberian]

Eduard Vorganov was announced on Feb 5.

Edit: He failed his test on Jan 14, 3 weeks before it was announced.

Very good find. So this is the earliest the Russian athlete got caught. Still , if they learnt about it the same day and all stopped doing it that would appear not to have enough time to clear the body of it since it stays for minimum of 120 days.

 

[Namejs]

WADA is also a complete disgrace with their sneaky tactics. They knew exactly what they were doing since the Russians were taking this stuff as vitamins on a daily basis. Instead of properly informing the Russian side saying this and that, we know you take this stuff daily but from now on please no, they buried the information clearly so nobody would be paying attention to the last minute.

I'm starting to think you're somehow involved in all of this.

Seriously, guy. It was on the WADA warning list since 2015. That's a full year of people being aware that it's something you shouldn't be using as an athlete.

How come Latvian athletes aren't getting banned anywhere for using meldonium? Let me tell you why, because we don't have our heads up our ***, and we read the warnings that have been sent to us.

 

[jonas2244]

Sorry, but this is a little bit too easy. The WADA published in September 2015 the new list for 2016 where Meldonium was added to the prohibetd substances.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2015-09/wada-publishes-2016-prohibited-list

It's now the job of the russian doping agency and the federations to communicate this. Last but not least it's the job of each sportsmen to check what he takes and if it's allowed or not. You're responsible for what you take.

 

[malkinfan]

Huge blow to the program, also really liked Prokhorov as a coach. Ive read in books that the players are often fed pills which they don't know what they are - told they are vitamins. Maybe just the trainers fault if players were not warned - as I suspect.

In any instance, great opportunity for some NHL teams to get a steal from those teams who save the bulk of their international scouting for the U18's.