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Entire Russian U-18 team replaced due to positive drug tests

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Garl said:
Testosterone is also essential for human life. Hemoglobine is also essential for human life. Yet, if you have too much of it you're banned.
Riboxine is escentially used for the same purposes as mildronate(for extra picky people, let's not talk about specifics of mechanism of enhancing energy)
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Testosterone is not essential for human life. Hb is not something you take as a pill, the levels are raised because of stimulation of RBC production in bone marrow, by EPO for example.
 
The statement by a Finnish player about 60-70 seconds versus 30-40 is laughable on so many levels. There is definitely not a single visual proof from me observing KHL, NHL and some other leagues. However if he really believes in what he says it just proves that this drug does work as with placebo effect where it boosts a person's confidence, which is not a bad thing by itself.
 
Macman said:
Then why are they taking it? I'm genuinely curious. People are trying to downplay this and the supposed benefits of this stuff, but when entire teams and leagues are taking it, they must at least think it's doing something. What do they think it's doing for them?
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For an advantage. It's no different than the drugs Garl listed, and other 'supplements' that millions of athletes legally take to enhance performance.

Saying that, this is the fault of FHR. They should have known this was going on, or made players aware that it was banned.
 
Garl said:
Main question is: how long does it stay in the system?
You know, you can blame a steretypical russian vodka-drinking doctor of speedskaters or russian-mafia "vor v zakone" doctor from a hockey team, but Sharapova and Efimova who have amercian coaсhing staff and live in USA also got caught.
Putin made them take it?:sarcasm:
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Well, their coaching staff is to blame then, what does it matter whether they are Russian or not.
 
Garl said:
Testosterone is also essential for human life. Hemoglobine is also essential for human life. Yet, if you have too much of it you're banned.
Riboxine is escentially used for the same purposes as mildronate(for extra picky people, let's not talk about specifics of mechanism of enhancing energy)
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Let's call your non-sense. Provide the evidence which shows that inosine (i.e. what 'Riboxine' is) would enhance performance.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10660865
It is concluded that Inosine has no ergogenic effects but may cause possible health problems if taken over long periods of time.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2402214
Based upon our data, we conclude that IN is not an effective ergogenic aid to enhance athletic performance of an aerobic nature.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8883009
These findings demonstrate that prolonged inosine supplementation does not appear to improve aerobic performance and short-term power production during cycling and may actually have an ergolytic effect under some test conditions.
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In other words if you want to find placebo 'drug' that is used in fitness, you don't need to look further than to Inosine. At best, it does nothing, at worst it may cause health problems and actually reduce performance...
 
Jussi said:
Full speed can mean a lot of things. Full speed is a bit different for example to Oskar Osala or Teemu hartikainen. :laugh:

Also, why would you attack the jounralist when he's merely quoting a player? As I mentioned. the journalist in question is one of the best in Finland. His credibility is basically in the Bob McKenzie level.
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No, 'Full-speed' can not mean a lot of things, at least not in the context of hockey.

If that's the best hockey journalist in Finland, then....:facepalm::joker:
And no, Bob McKenzie would not report such obvious nonsense.
 
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WADA is also a complete disgrace with their sneaky tactics. They knew exactly what they were doing since the Russians were taking this stuff as vitamins on a daily basis. Instead of properly informing the Russian side saying this and that, we know you take this stuff daily but from now on please no, they buried the information clearly so nobody would be paying attention to the last minute.
 
Siberian said:
I totally blame FHR as well as Russian sports in general. While WADA was sneaky, did not properly inform Russians (Sharapova was informed by email on Dec 22, 2015) it is low professional level of Russian bureaucrats not to be prepared for a Western run organization to throw them under the bus like that in times when there is a real talk of a new Cold War going on. People responsible should be fired period.
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Tretiak should have been gone years ago.
 
MHL players took it by doctor's advice for several years, just after Cherepanov's death. They did it on a regularly basis like vitamins as a precaution, not for some shady performance-enhancing reasons. But the more you take it the more of this substances settle on the blood vessel walls. So even after 6-8 months there's a chance you can be tested positive for meldonium.
 
joe89 said:
In cases like this I definitely blame the team doctors, young players should be able to trust that the vitamins or whatever they say it is to them are legit. I don't think anyone would actively take this thinking they would become a better hockey player.

Superstars and individual athletes like Sharapova are just simply too stupid for their own good though.

Some former Swedish KHLers said team doctors were advicing them to take meldonium(they didn't accept it), I just hope they have been wise enough to stop distributing it now that it is banned.
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If I learnt about forbidden substances given to my under 18 kid without informing me, I'd sew the coaching staff, the doctors and the federation.
 
krax said:
If I learnt about forbidden substances given to my under 18 kid without informing me, I'd sew the coaching staff, the doctors and the federation.
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You'd sew the coaching staff, the doctors and the federation? That would take a lot of needles and thread.;)
 
Siberian said:
WADA is also a complete disgrace with their sneaky tactics. They knew exactly what they were doing since the Russians were taking this stuff as vitamins on a daily basis. Instead of properly informing the Russian side saying this and that, we know you take this stuff daily but from now on please no, they buried the information clearly so nobody would be paying attention to the last minute.
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WADA posted public notification that meldonium would become under heavy scrutiny both in and out of competition with rather clear implication that should misuse be detected then it would be banned. And shockingly that is exactly what they did. There was nothing sneaky in it.
 
KarIgo87 said:
...the more you take it the more of this substances settle on the blood vessel walls. So even after 6-8 months there's a chance you can be tested positive for meldonium.
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Do you have any actual evidence to support that claim?
 
Vaeltaja said:
WADA posted public notification that meldonium would become under heavy scrutiny both in and out of competition with rather clear implication that should misuse be detected then it would be banned. And shockingly that is exactly what they did. There was nothing sneaky in it.
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Yes, making this 30 yo drug from legal to illegal in 3 months, then sending vague emails 9 days in advance, they did a great job. But you know what, to me and to many thinking people they exposed themselves as a political tool, not a serious organization. It smells as the corrupted organization that has zero independence.
 
Siberian said:
Yes, making this 30 yo drug from legal to illegal in 3 months, then sending vague emails 9 days in advance, they did a great job. But you know what, to me and to many thinking people they exposed themselves as a political tool, not a serious organization. It smells as the corrupted organization that has zero independence.
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Only things which smells corrupt in this matter are the Russian sports and the Russian way of politicizing the sports.
 
Siberian said:
Yes, making this 30 yo drug from legal to illegal in 3 months, then sending vague emails 9 days in advance, they did a great job. But you know what, to me and to many thinking people they exposed themselves as a political tool, not a serious organization. It smells as the corrupted organization that has zero independence.
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How do you know they were "vague"? Please post one of these "vague emails" as evidence.
 
Siberian said:
Yes, making this 30 yo drug from legal to illegal in 3 months, then sending vague emails 9 days in advance, they did a great job. But you know what, to me and to many thinking people they exposed themselves as a political tool, not a serious organization. It smells as the corrupted organization that has zero independence.
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Political tool? :laugh: Sorry, but that's just hilarious. The substance was added to the list, responsible people should have noticed it. How long should the process take in your opinion? 5 years?
 
Huffman said:
Legal or not, there is no reason for 17-18 year olds to take this medicine, just skip the drugs.
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+1
If I learnt about drugs (legal or not) given to my kid (U18!) without informing me, I'd sew the coaching staff, the doctors and the federation.
 
Jussi said:
How do you know they were "vague"? Please post one of these "vague emails" as evidence.
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Because she deleted it without reading. If she thought it carried any useful information she would read that and be informed. That was the whole idea of WADA to keep it a low profile until the last moment and then start nailing.
 
Siberian said:
Because she deleted it without reading. If she thought it carried any useful information she would read that and be informed. That was the whole idea of WADA to keep it a low profile until the last moment and then start nailing.
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If "she" means Sharapova, then she was a giant idiot.
 
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