Player Discussion Emil Heineman
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Deebs
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I'm not familiar with that model, neither with the accuracy of play-by-play data from the SHL. Might just be that he is focusing solely on offense, might be his linemates, could be him, etc. Advanced stats generally require a large sample size to be reliable, and it's hard to get that with younger players that are constantly progressing, learning new things, etc.
KevSkillz4
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Woah nice. More I read about Heineman, more I believe that Habs got a really good prospect!!
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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You could sign him now and say the contract doesn't start until next season.
He's got 3 years left on his contract in Sweden. No need to bring him over for next year.
Also better if the Habs leave a spot open for a college FA.
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I don't think you can do that, I believe next month is when you can sign a player and his contract can be sign for next season.
I also don't think they can sign him during the SHL season though I'm not sure as I've never seen the last PTA that was signed. I believe you can only sign players that are under contract in leagues with a PTA during the off-season.
Also I would be very surprised if the Habs tried to sign him since he would have to play on the team next year, no need to rush him.
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I know they can't sign him and bring him over before his season is over and that would mean he wouldn't be on the roster at the deadline to play in the playoffs. (Hah)
I do agree that there's no point to sign him now, or even next year, really.
After that I would. Get him in the AHL and get a year (at least) to get use to the North American ice.
His coach said, give him one more year and he's ready to play in the NHL. I dont think he plays in Laval -- looks like Lehkonen playing right away in Montreal and it looks like he might give Lehkonen production from the get-go as well and build upon that, IMHO.
He has a gear or two of skating above Lehkonen and that can make him that much better in a hurry. Just need to get the puck on net more regularly to surpass Lehkonen.
He has a gear or two of skating above Lehkonen and that can make him that much better in a hurry. Just need to get the puck on net more regularly to surpass Lehkonen.
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he can't play in the AHL, non 1st round picks that are signed in SHL before being under NHL contracts can only play in the NHL or SHL. There was some loophole this year which is why Norlinder could do so only after some date in December. I'm not sure why, as the way I know the rule was he was not eligible to play in the AHL (outside of a conditioning stint). Someone said it was just a short term loophole that may have been the PTA expiring but I never found out.
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"It sucks, I wanted Heineman, now fingers crossed for Hirvonen..."
post #385
"It sucks, I wanted Heineman, now fingers crossed for Hirvonen..."
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Some stylistic similarities with Vejdemo but seems to possess more offensive tools and project as a winger. Looking forward to track his progression.
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He is much stronger and grittier than Vejdemo, he really is a bigger lehkonen in term of skating and strong 200 ft. play. A bigger lehkonen with better shooting skills really is a great pick up.
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Lehkonen
Coleman
Podkolzin
these are the comparables I’ve been reading.
Coleman
Podkolzin
these are the comparables I’ve been reading.
Estimated_Prophet
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I am really not convinced (and I have a biais pro Euro skaters in general) he has bad offensive stats overall in his D+2. If he turns into a bottom 6 forward, is it really what you should get for your top scorer ?
I was actually surprised that we got Heineman, he was a target of mine in 2020. I like him, welcome aboard!
He's not a potential future superstar in my mind, but he has some very good offensive skills that could really surprise some people.
He's not a potential future superstar in my mind, but he has some very good offensive skills that could really surprise some people.
The fact that he has some finish makes him a very interesting prospect. He should only get bigger and when he's filled out, he's going to be similar to lehkonen but with more power to his game, and unless he inherit's lehkonen's curse, he will have some good scoring touch to go along with physicality and defensive play. 2nd liner at best, but could be the digger on a line with two high-skill players without bringing them down.
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Hum.. yes... one is 5'11 and 26 years old at his current physical peak. He was probably around 170ish when he was 20 years old.
The other is 6'1 as 20 years old and 187lbs. He will get even bigger & stronger as his body is still maturing.
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First of all, yes, Heineman doesn't have Pettersson-like stats in the SHL. But given the fact that he plays less than 12 minutes a night with very little to no powerplay time, on what is essentially Leksand's fourth line, his 16 points in 36 games are actually really impressive considering he's playing in a league that many (including myself) would consider as the fourth-best in the world.
If you are not convinced, by all means check his stats out for yourself if you want to know more, directly from the SHL's own website.
Statistik spelare 2021/2022 - SHL.se
As for the second part of your post, my answer is simple, you can't just take one of the multiple pieces we got in exchange for Toffoli and evaluate it on its own without taking into consideration the added value that the other elements bring to this trade.
Is Heineman straight-up for Toffoli a good trade? Of course not, we trade the better player AND take on much more risk given that one is still unproven.
But is Heineman, a conditional first-round pick in 2022 (most probably 18-24, but could be 2023 first+4th) and another 5th-round pick good value to get for Toffoli in a package? Seeing as we're getting a strong "B" type of prospect in Heineman, a chance at getting another "A/B+" type of prospect with the 2022 first AND more picks still? Heck yeah it's good trade value. Even if we lost arguably our best forward offensively this season.
Now to the last matter at hand, namely Heineman himself as a prospect and his place in our pipeline. In that regard, I would actually rate him a bit higher than Luke Tuch (not as physical/tough, but better skills overall and smarter on the ice) and Riley Kidney (Kidney has better vision and puck skills but Heineman is better two-way, more physical, faster and plays a more "pro-type" game).
Also, I would put Heineman on a similar-ish level as a guy like Mysak, as he is probably safer than him but maybe doesn't have the same top-end potential.
Farrell and Roy I would rate a bit higher though. The offensive potential is sky-high in their case. But so is their bust potential unfortunately.
So yeah, that's it for me. Good day and cheers.
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