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Player Discussion Emil Heineman

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jfm133 said:
I watched him on many videos. I get a Pacioretty vibe when I watch him. Good frame, very powerful skater in straight line, great shot, able to score goals, but not a passer. Calm down. I am not saying he will be the next Pacioretty, all I say is that I see similarities. At 20, Pacioretty got 6 goals in 37 games in the AHL against men. How can you compare that with Heineman's 11 goals in 36 games inthe SHL this year? Both were born in November, so very comparable on that front. That being said, Pacioretty always got more assists. It is hard to read because offensive output depends on the role and linemates. I don't remember if Pacioretty plsyed with Desharnais in his first season in the AHL.
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It’s tougher to make 6 goal in the AHL vs sweden leagues. Pacio had 29 pts in 37 games at 19 yo in the AHL. Thats a pretty good sign. This is really tough to compare progression curves between player. But it easier to be more patient with guys like pacio cause his background. In fact, Pacioretty is a big guy and I would say it’s take More time to produce at high level for that kind of player.
 
jfm133 said:
It's his coach in the SHL who compred him to Draisatl. This has nothing to do with Montréal. Myself I just made a comparison with Pacioretty, that does not mean I think he will be as good as Pacioretty.
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I wasn't referring to you or anyone in Montreal specifically.
 
Looks a lot more like a Eric Cole, than the other flimsy comparisons I've read. Pacioretty is still a perimeter scorer afaik, Heinemann drives the net a lot more, but doesn't really get into the goaltenders' face like a Gallagher. I just hope he can improve his game in North America somehow.
 
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Pacioretty played his first pro season almost all at 20. As I said, his birthdate is in November. In his draft year he was 18, then 19 at Michigan, and 20 in the AHL/NHL.

Hins77 said:
It’s tougher to make 6 goal in the AHL vs sweden leagues. Pacio had 29 pts in 37 games at 19 yo in the AHL. Thats a pretty good sign. This is really tough to compare progression curves between player. But it easier to be more patient with guys like pacio cause his background. In fact, Pacioretty is a big guy and I would say it’s take More time to produce at high level for that kind of player.
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Hins77 said:
It’s tougher to make 6 goal in the AHL vs sweden leagues. Pacio had 29 pts in 37 games at 19 yo in the AHL. Thats a pretty good sign. This is really tough to compare progression curves between player. But it easier to be more patient with guys like pacio cause his background. In fact, Pacioretty is a big guy and I would say it’s take More time to produce at high level for that kind of player.
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Similarities with Pacio is size and maybe speed. Pacio has one of the best wrist shot in the league, quick and no backswing, and so powerful that it can beat goaltenders clean and unscreen, from the blue line. Heineman' shot is pretty good but I don't think it comes close to pacios. Actually very few players wrist shot are as good as pacios
 
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TopTenPlayz said:
Similarities with Pacio is size and maybe speed. Pacio has one of the best wrist shot in the league, quick and no backswing, and so powerful that it can beat goaltenders clean and unscreen, from the blue line. Heineman' shot is pretty good but I don't think it comes close to pacios. Actually very few players wrist shot are as good as pacios
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It’s not a perfect comparison but I get it. Different shots, and Heineman is a dog when it comes to fighting for the puck. But the size and speed combo is comparable.
 
DramaticGloveSave said:
It’s not a perfect comparison but I get it. Different shots, and Heineman is a dog when it comes to fighting for the puck. But the size and speed combo is comparable.
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Yeah i like Heineman a lot. From his videos on yt, he seems very strong on board plays, high motor, relentless forechecker, finishes his hits, good speed, good shot. Maybe hands and passing are lacking a bit but we should get a pretty good all around player who can play up and down the lineup
 
I dont know this player, but in general from what I have read, and from watching some clips he seems to have a good shot and importantly, a pretty quick release, which you need in the NHL.

If a guy has decent size, good speed, decent shot with a quick release, and has a willingness to go to the net, then offensively he may be a 3rd liner with 2nd line potential. If there is a good defensive game in there then for sure 3rd line potential.

This is the kind of guy you would hope that we would at least get to go with the 1st round pick. Likely not a top 6 player, but I think his chances of being that are probably better than us getting a top 6 player with a 2nd round draft pick. So he is better than what I would consider a B prospect as to me a B prospect has a remote chance of being a top 6 player.
 
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lamp9post said:
Possibly in the long term, but will Heineman be ready for an NHL role next season? If we deal Lehkonen we might have to sign a band-aid replacement for the near term.

Does anyone have an idea of projected timelines for this kid? Next season is he more likely to remain in the SHL or will he be signed and brought over?
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Honestly don't think the Habs care too much about being competitive next year, so if he's ready or not I don't think its a big deal.
 
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Again the Paccio comparison is not perfect, but he reminds me of him in his forechack and backchek. Very good straight line speed, we also saw it on a few breakaways that he had. Will very likely not be as good a scorer as Pacioretty, but he will be more physical, less on periphery, maybe more garbage goals than pure sniper goals. I think Hughes wanted Heineman over Pelletier. Bigger, faster, more physical. If the goal is to be faster while not being small as a team, Heineman fits the bill.
 
TheBuriedHab said:
Honestly don't think the Habs care too much about being competitive next year, so if he's ready or not I don't think its a big deal.
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If he's not ready, I rather he spend next season developing in the SHL or AHL rather than being rushed to the NHL. We've seen first hand this season how playing on a dumpster fire of a team isn't great for younger players. However if he is ready, and if he'll get good development in the NHL under St. Louis, that's a different story.
 
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vokiel said:
That's a really meaningless comparable.
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I think it’s more about the breakaway ability Pacioretty had when he was young. Who knows if this Heineman ability in the SHL translates to the NHL, but the way he accelerated away from the defence for. breaks is similar. For the record I’m not banking on it. I think Hyman is a better comp.
 
vokiel said:
Looks a lot more like a Eric Cole, than the other flimsy comparisons I've read. Pacioretty is still a perimeter scorer afaik, Heinemann drives the net a lot more, but doesn't really get into the goaltenders' face like a Gallagher. I just hope he can improve his game in North America somehow.
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He probably will - his game is much better suited for the smaller ice surfaces of North America.
 
Eric Leblanc of RDS spoke with a scout who said we should temper our expectations. And that he sees him as a 3rd or 4th line winger in the NHL.

 
Habs13 said:
He probably will - his game is much better suited for the smaller ice surfaces of North America.
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I hope so, if we look at Lehkonen's time in the SHL it ended on his 21st birthday.

The trade is less interesting, if he gets stuck in the SHL for long.
 
vokiel said:
I hope so, if we look at Lehkonen's time in the SHL it ended on his 21st birthday.

The trade is less interesting, if he gets stuck in the SHL for long.
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I'm sure he has an out clause to join the NHL. And if look at his progress over the last two years, its huge. Like HUGE. So another year in the SHL is maybe a good thing anyway. Last season, he had only 1 goal - this year, 20-something so far!
 
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