Prospect Info: Emil Heineman

[Adam Michaels]

Still no news about yesterday ? No injury ?

He was just awarded goal of the week in the SHL for the week of February 5th.

It was the second goal on a breakaway:



I did ask Leksands if he got hurt yesterday. I don't really expect them to answer. But if they do or if I find out another way, I'll mention it here.

 

[themilosh]

I agree bigger Lehkonen is probably a closer comparison.

from the limited film Ive watched of Emil - he does strike me as a Lars Eller type, with a better release? I'm thrilled if he turns out to be the winger version of an Eller.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I'm hoping for Grundstrom 2.0, a guy that gets better every year

 

[Andy]

His release and shooting stance is so similar to Pacioretty that it's weird.

When Pacioretty was drafted, no one, pegged him to be a goal scorer. Everyone thought he was a third line winger with good passing ability. He ended up becoming one of the leagues best LW snipers.

 

[Wats]

If he's actually injured it's so 'typical Montreal'. It's like some sort of curse.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm hoping for Grundstrom 2.0, a guy that gets better every year

Hyman 2.0.

I find Lehkonen a horrible comparison but your Grundstrom is not a bad one either.

 

[montreal]

Still no news about yesterday ? No injury ?

we will see if he's in the lineup tomorrow afternoon or not.

 

[Habs]

I'm hoping for Grundstrom 2.0, a guy that gets better every year

two teams have traded him in a short period of time, they don't do that with grade A prospects.

 

[Favster]

I feel like this is a KK shot!

Nah man not a shot at anyone. Being able to shoot without loading up is extremely difficult.

 

[Redux91]

two teams have traded him in a short period of time, they don't do that with grade A prospects.

Nobody has once called him Grade A

One could obviously look at him being traded 2 times already as some sort of throw away or cast off , that the teams didnt think he was important (which isnt the case)

OR you can also look at it as Calgary REALLY wanted him when they got him, and in turn Montreal REALLY wanted him when it was their go around when a deal was shaping together
Heineman cant help Calgary win the cup this year, so you gotta spend money to make money buddy boy
Now he's in our system, and he's not some prospect plug, they hold him in high esteem
2 years into his development already and let's see where hes at in 2 more
I like him honestly

 

[26Mats]

Nobody has once called him Grade A

One could obviously look at him being traded 2 times already as some sort of throw away or cast off , that the teams didnt think he was important (which isnt the case)

OR you can also look at it as Calgary REALLY wanted him when they got him, and in turn Montreal REALLY wanted him when it was their go around when a deal was shaping together
Heineman cant help Calgary win the cup this year, so you gotta spend money to make money buddy boy
Now he's in our system, and he's not some prospect plug, they hold him in high esteem
2 years into his development already and let's see where hes at in 2 more
I like him honestly

True, the thing is, can you think of a former 2nd round pick that was traded twice before his first game and then went on to become a top 6 forward or top 4 d?

We gave up Toffoli on a good contract. You don't want to do that unless you get one asset that will almost for sure become what Toffoli is or multiple assets that each could become what he is. The late first has about a 25% chance, if that. Statistically Emile has even less of a chance. Having said that there's a first for everything, or even if there's a low percentage chance it could happen.

 

[Rob Sense]

two teams have traded him in a short period of time, they don't do that with grade A prospects.

maybe the teams trading for him saw something and wanted him...he is 20 years old. How many fatal flaws could he have developed since drafted 2 years ago???

 

[Runner77]

two teams have traded him in a short period of time, they don't do that with grade A prospects.

Unless an acquiring team insists that the player be included in a deal, as was the case with the Habs.

 

[PavelBrendl]

The Pacioretty and Lehkonen comps are a little weird.

He’s much more physical than either of those players. I’d say Alex Killorn is a pretty good NHL comparable. Not saying he’ll ever go ~ point per game like Killorn currently is, but tools and skillset-wise, I like it.

He’s easier to project at the NHL level than Lehkonen, who had to adapt his game to the NHL ice dramatically. And he’s more engaged without the puck on his stick than Pacioretty ever was. He’s a relentless forechecker and a punishing hitter. I see a surefire NHL player in him. Just not sure how high the ceiling is.

 

[Schooner Guy]

maybe the teams trading for him saw something and wanted him...he is 20 years old. How many fatal flaws could he have developed since drafted 2 years ago???

He was actually drafted only 16 months ago.

 

[habsfan92]

brayden schenn?

 

[Habs]

Unless an acquiring team insists that the player be included in a deal, as was the case with the Habs.

because they couldn't get player a, or b first the settled on C

 

[Habs]

maybe the teams trading for him saw something and wanted him...he is 20 years old. How many fatal flaws could he have developed since drafted 2 years ago???

I doubt Florida, and Calgary missed out on some magical potential .. c'mon..

 

[Runner77]

because they couldn't get player a, or b first the settled on C

Probably the fallout of getting a first round pick as the main priority. Once that was on the table, Toffoli wasn’t enough to get them to make one of their their top 3 or top 5 prospects available so they went with an undervalued guy who they believe has a high ceiling. Ultimately, you have to trust your own evaluation.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I doubt Florida, and Calgary missed out on some magical potential .. c'mon..

Who said anything about magical? Answer: Nobody

It doesn't mean he isn't a solid prospect who could be a strong 3rd line player and spell off the 2nd line when needed.

 

[Habs]

Probably the fallout of getting a first round pick as the main priority. Once that was on the table, Toffoli wasn’t enough to get them to make one of their their top 3 or top 5 prospects available so they went with an undervalued guy who they believe has a high ceiling. Ultimately, you have to trust your own evaluation.

probably, I honestly just felt we were in the position of strength and had time on our side to wait it out a few weeks. I find it hard to believe there would not be more teams in need of TT heading down the stretch.

 

[Habs]

Who said anything about magical? Answer: Nobody

It doesn't mean he isn't a solid prospect who could be a strong 3rd line player and spell off the 2nd line when needed.

I still love you to bits, even when you are mad

 

[Schooner Guy]

I still love you to bits, even when you are mad

That's quite an answer. Why are you insinuating that anyone said Heineman has "magical" potential? He projects to be a solid 3rd line winger with a powerful shot and looks like a sure NHLer. If he was an "A" prospect like you keep complaining that he isn't, we wouldn't have got him and a 1st for Toffoli.

 

[Runner77]

probably, I honestly just felt we were in the position of strength and had time on our side to wait it out a few weeks. I find it hard to believe there would not be more teams in need of TT heading down the stretch.

The team is cap-strapped and they needed some cap relief as well as securing that extra 1st rounder. They achieved that. It’s a tough market to navigate with so many cap-strapped teams. This is why you’re seeing Chiarot being marketed at 50% retention — if you play the long game in this type of market, you risk not having the ability to use leverage since many suitors can ill afford one move, let alone an expensive acquisition and many of them will easily take themselves out of the running by making just the one move, so less suitors for that player at the deadline.

I think the Toffoli deal was the easiest way to get the ball rolling and for them to set the market on their other players for quick deals.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I think Grade A prospects is just too high a bar here when we're talking about Toffoli. Heineman is a solid piece with some intriguing tools and solid production in a good pro league, and we also got a 1st back in the same deal, a blue chip is just never going to be on the table for this kind of player.

He's a good player but we didn't trade Jack Eichel here, he's a solid top 6 winger that's currently being used on Calgary's 3rd line because he's not definitively better than Coleman or Mangiapane, and they have two clearly better wingers in Tkachuk and Gaudreau. We got a 1st, a recent 2nd round pick which is more valuable than the pick itself given you're saving 2 development years and have more certainty with the pro-readiness of the player, that's good value for a 30 year old top 6 winger.

Yes it is silly that the value gap between Chiarot and Toffoli will probably only end up being Heineman and a 5th, but that's due to Chiarot's value being overinflated, not due to the Habs selling too low on Toffoli.