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Player Discussion Emil Heineman

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His release and shooting stance is so similar to Pacioretty that it's weird.

When Pacioretty was drafted, no one, pegged him to be a goal scorer. Everyone thought he was a third line winger with good passing ability. He ended up becoming one of the leagues best LW snipers.
 
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If he's actually injured it's so 'typical Montreal'. It's like some sort of curse. :laugh:
 
Habs said:
two teams have traded him in a short period of time, they don't do that with grade A prospects.
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Nobody has once called him Grade A

One could obviously look at him being traded 2 times already as some sort of throw away or cast off , that the teams didnt think he was important (which isnt the case)

OR you can also look at it as Calgary REALLY wanted him when they got him, and in turn Montreal REALLY wanted him when it was their go around when a deal was shaping together
Heineman cant help Calgary win the cup this year, so you gotta spend money to make money buddy boy
Now he's in our system, and he's not some prospect plug, they hold him in high esteem
2 years into his development already and let's see where hes at in 2 more
I like him honestly
 
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Redux91 said:
Nobody has once called him Grade A

One could obviously look at him being traded 2 times already as some sort of throw away or cast off , that the teams didnt think he was important (which isnt the case)

OR you can also look at it as Calgary REALLY wanted him when they got him, and in turn Montreal REALLY wanted him when it was their go around when a deal was shaping together
Heineman cant help Calgary win the cup this year, so you gotta spend money to make money buddy boy
Now he's in our system, and he's not some prospect plug, they hold him in high esteem
2 years into his development already and let's see where hes at in 2 more
I like him honestly
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True, the thing is, can you think of a former 2nd round pick that was traded twice before his first game and then went on to become a top 6 forward or top 4 d?

We gave up Toffoli on a good contract. You don't want to do that unless you get one asset that will almost for sure become what Toffoli is or multiple assets that each could become what he is. The late first has about a 25% chance, if that. Statistically Emile has even less of a chance. Having said that there's a first for everything, or even if there's a low percentage chance it could happen.
 
Habs said:
two teams have traded him in a short period of time, they don't do that with grade A prospects.
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Unless an acquiring team insists that the player be included in a deal, as was the case with the Habs.
 
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The Pacioretty and Lehkonen comps are a little weird.

He’s much more physical than either of those players. I’d say Alex Killorn is a pretty good NHL comparable. Not saying he’ll ever go ~ point per game like Killorn currently is, but tools and skillset-wise, I like it.

He’s easier to project at the NHL level than Lehkonen, who had to adapt his game to the NHL ice dramatically. And he’s more engaged without the puck on his stick than Pacioretty ever was. He’s a relentless forechecker and a punishing hitter. I see a surefire NHL player in him. Just not sure how high the ceiling is.
 
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Rob Sense said:
maybe the teams trading for him saw something and wanted him...he is 20 years old. How many fatal flaws could he have developed since drafted 2 years ago???
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I doubt Florida, and Calgary missed out on some magical potential .. c'mon..
 
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because they couldn't get player a, or b first the settled on C
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Probably the fallout of getting a first round pick as the main priority. Once that was on the table, Toffoli wasn’t enough to get them to make one of their their top 3 or top 5 prospects available so they went with an undervalued guy who they believe has a high ceiling. Ultimately, you have to trust your own evaluation.
 
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I doubt Florida, and Calgary missed out on some magical potential .. c'mon..
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Who said anything about magical? Answer: Nobody

It doesn't mean he isn't a solid prospect who could be a strong 3rd line player and spell off the 2nd line when needed.
 
Runner77 said:
Probably the fallout of getting a first round pick as the main priority. Once that was on the table, Toffoli wasn’t enough to get them to make one of their their top 3 or top 5 prospects available so they went with an undervalued guy who they believe has a high ceiling. Ultimately, you have to trust your own evaluation.
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probably, I honestly just felt we were in the position of strength and had time on our side to wait it out a few weeks. I find it hard to believe there would not be more teams in need of TT heading down the stretch.
 
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Schooner Guy said:
Who said anything about magical? Answer: Nobody

It doesn't mean he isn't a solid prospect who could be a strong 3rd line player and spell off the 2nd line when needed.
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I still love you to bits, even when you are mad
 
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Habs said:
I still love you to bits, even when you are mad
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That's quite an answer. Why are you insinuating that anyone said Heineman has "magical" potential? He projects to be a solid 3rd line winger with a powerful shot and looks like a sure NHLer. If he was an "A" prospect like you keep complaining that he isn't, we wouldn't have got him and a 1st for Toffoli.
 
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probably, I honestly just felt we were in the position of strength and had time on our side to wait it out a few weeks. I find it hard to believe there would not be more teams in need of TT heading down the stretch.
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The team is cap-strapped and they needed some cap relief as well as securing that extra 1st rounder. They achieved that. It’s a tough market to navigate with so many cap-strapped teams. This is why you’re seeing Chiarot being marketed at 50% retention — if you play the long game in this type of market, you risk not having the ability to use leverage since many suitors can ill afford one move, let alone an expensive acquisition and many of them will easily take themselves out of the running by making just the one move, so less suitors for that player at the deadline.

I think the Toffoli deal was the easiest way to get the ball rolling and for them to set the market on their other players for quick deals.
 
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I think Grade A prospects is just too high a bar here when we're talking about Toffoli. Heineman is a solid piece with some intriguing tools and solid production in a good pro league, and we also got a 1st back in the same deal, a blue chip is just never going to be on the table for this kind of player.

He's a good player but we didn't trade Jack Eichel here, he's a solid top 6 winger that's currently being used on Calgary's 3rd line because he's not definitively better than Coleman or Mangiapane, and they have two clearly better wingers in Tkachuk and Gaudreau. We got a 1st, a recent 2nd round pick which is more valuable than the pick itself given you're saving 2 development years and have more certainty with the pro-readiness of the player, that's good value for a 30 year old top 6 winger.

Yes it is silly that the value gap between Chiarot and Toffoli will probably only end up being Heineman and a 5th, but that's due to Chiarot's value being overinflated, not due to the Habs selling too low on Toffoli.
 
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