Player Discussion Emil Heineman

[FerrisRox]

A big and skilled Swedish winger in the Habs system? This truly is a new era! I can count Swedish Habs on one hand and I've been watching this team 37 years.

You either have a freakishly deformed hand with way too many fingers on it or you have a terrible memory.

Just off the top of my head: Mats Naslund, Kjell Dahlin, Peter Popovic, Andreas Dackell, Nicklas Sandstorm, Jacob de la Rose, Patrick Kjellberg, Patrick Carnback, Eric Gustafson.

Isn't Vedjemo Swedish?

EDIT: I forgot Norlinder.

 

[habsterr]

I think we are giving Hughes way too much credit or lack there of.Hughes has zero GM experience.Gorton is making the deals and Hughes probably has 25% input at best at this point.

I feel like Hughes has around 49% input.

 

[Captain Mountain]

And, while it seems Gorton did a good job getting the Rangers re-tooled, I'm not sure he was the best with trades of vets for futures. He traded McDonagh and J.T. Miller for a 1st, Bowden, and Namestnikov.

That's an awful return for those two players.

He got a decent return for Nash and was able to turn Spooner from that into Strome. He turned Brassard into Zibanejad. They won't all be winners, but it's important to have an actual plan.

 

[26Mats]

He got a decent return for Nash and was able to turn Spooner from that into Strome. He turned Brassard into Zibanejad. They won't all be winners, but it's important to have an actual plan.

Yeah Zibenejad for Brassard I chalk up to Dorion's lunacy. But definitely good on him for taking advantage of Chiarelli and turning Spooner into Strome. And yes, good for him in the Nash trade. He got 5 assets, and the 1st and Ryan Lindgren have stood the test of time, plus spooner was flipped for strome. That's where getting a pool helps. Some don't pan out, but if 1 or 2 do, you got what you want.

They then used the 1st pick to trade up and select d'Andre Miller! That's good stuff from Gorton. He also moved up to select Braden Schneider!

 

[vokiel]

You either have a freakishly deformed hand with way too many fingers on it or you have a terrible memory.

Just off the top of my head: Mats Naslund, Kjell Dahlin, Peter Popovic, Andreas Dackell, Nicklas Sandstorm, Jacob de la Rose, Patrick Kjellberg, Patrick Carnback, Eric Gustafson.

Isn't Vedjemo Swedish?

EDIT: I forgot Norlinder.

Engvist, De La Rose, Nygren, Westin? (I think he's was smurfy though). Not the first time this club makes this gamble.

Olofsson as the most recent failure?

Edit: Oh I'm an idiot, how about Lars Eller? SHL too

 

[yianik]

I think we are giving Hughes way too much credit or lack there of.Hughes has zero GM experience.Gorton is making the deals and Hughes probably has 25% input at best at this point.

Okay, I have no idea if it's Gorton or Hughes. Hughes as an agent was a pro negotiator. I would expect Gorton and Hughes to discuss the trade offers. However , I would also expect Hughes to control the manner in which the trade negotiations are done, it's his strong suit. But again, I don't know.

 

[FerrisRox]

Engvist, De La Rose, Nygren, Westin? (I think he's was smurfy though). Not the first time this club makes this gamble.

Olofsson as the most recent failure?

Edit: Oh I'm an idiot, how about Lars Eller? SHL too

Lars Eller is from Denmark. But I did forget Douglas Murray.

 

[vokiel]

Lars Eller is from Denmark. But I did forget Douglas Murray.

Yes, but he developed in the Sweden leagues.

Lehkonen as a comparison went half Finnish hockey, half Swedish. Can't say he disappointed.

 

[FormerLurker]

And, while it seems Gorton did a good job getting the Rangers re-tooled, I'm not sure he was the best with trades of vets for futures. He traded McDonagh and J.T. Miller for a 1st, Bowden, and Namestnikov.

That's an awful return for those two players.

JT Miller was not the player then that he is today. He really blossomed in Vancouver. And McDonagh was having a very difficult year in NY the year he was traded. Multiple lingering injuries and career-worst stats. The return may seem underwhelming, but there were definitely extenuating circumstances.

 

[FerrisRox]

Yes, but he developed in the Sweden leagues.

Lehkonen as a comparison went half Finnish hockey, half Swedish. Can't say he disappointed.

I don't care where he developed, he's not a Swedish hockey player who played for the Canadiens.

 

[montreal]

Heineman did an interview with TVASport.ca (in french) after the trade. He says his agent told him Montréal was very interested at the draft but Florida took him first. He mention that he talked a lot to the Habs Swedish scout pre-draft and Lehman called him after he was traded to the Habs (another person from the Habs also called him).

thanks i didn't see that as I'm surprised that article wasn't posted in the Heineman thread but that's great to hear that it's Lehmann as it also hopefully means that Gorton is going to keep him and I like not hearing Rockstrom's name, which no offense to him but the guys he's picked outside of Nygren which was a very good gamble for a late 4th round pick, have all stunk (though I also thought Colberg was going to be a good one)

 

[Adam Michaels]

Heineman did an interview with TVASport.ca (in french) after the trade. He says his agent told him Montréal was very interested at the draft but Florida took him first. He mention that he talked a lot to the Habs Swedish scout pre-draft and Lehman called him after he was traded to the Habs (another person from the Habs also called him).

I'm sure Lehman was able to provide info to Gorton and Hughes before the trade. We know Lecavalier scouted games to give his opinion. But Lehman already had knowledge on the kid. And if it's true that Habs were interested before Panthers took him, that means Lehman was pushing for him.

Hughes did say that when they speak to teams who are interested in some of their players, he and his scouts do an extensive look at their prospect pool.

 

[Adam Michaels]

thanks i didn't see that as I'm surprised that article wasn't posted in the Heineman thread but that's great to hear that it's Lehmann as it also hopefully means that Gorton is going to keep him and I like not hearing Rockstrom's name, which no offense to him but the guys he's picked outside of Nygren which was a very good gamble for a late 4th round pick, have all stunk (though I also thought Colberg was going to be a good one)

The good news is Rockstrom will most likely retire. He is half retired now anyways. It's been a few years he advised the Habs he would like to lessen the load.

 

[That Habs Fan]

You either have a freakishly deformed hand with way too many fingers on it or you have a terrible memory.

Just off the top of my head: Mats Naslund, Kjell Dahlin, Peter Popovic, Andreas Dackell, Nicklas Sandstorm, Jacob de la Rose, Patrick Kjellberg, Patrick Carnback, Eric Gustafson.

Isn't Vedjemo Swedish?

EDIT: I forgot Norlinder.

I should have clarified and said top 6 fwd/top 4 d...no disrespect to Dackell/Sandstrom/De La Rose etc... but they were rather inconsequential.

 

[montreal]

The good news is Rockstrom will most likely retire. He is half retired now anyways. It's been a few years he advised the Habs he would like to lessen the load.

I didn't know that, since MB ha recently promoted him.

 

[vokiel]

I should have clarified and said top 6 fwd/top 4 d...no disrespect to Dackell/Sandstrom/De La Rose etc... but they were rather inconsequential.

Doubtful Heinemann fits top 6 fwd... At least one scout was quoted by Leblanc on this. The saying is temper our expectations.

 

[Scriptor]

Doubtful Heinemann fits top 6 fwd... At least one scout was quoted by Leblanc on this. The saying is temper our expectations.

I prefer t'empara expectations. Big fan of sushi with a bit of a crunch.

Heineman could play anywhere in the lineup, given the skill set (speed, size\physicality and shot). That's the professional scouting word on the prospect.

You don't need to be an elite player to complement two line mates well enough to play on a first line or a second line.

Building a line and a team sin't an homogenous exercise.

That's where I bring it back to Anderson, who can help on any line. Heineman, who is supposed to be as fearless as Anderson, strikes me as that type of player.

If Heineman can make room for his line mates, he has the skill to play with skilled players and working bees, either or.

People putting down a 20-year old with skill and time to progress are just making rush judgment based on fukc all.

 

[26Mats]

JT Miller was not the player then that he is today. He really blossomed in Vancouver. And McDonagh was having a very difficult year in NY the year he was traded. Multiple lingering injuries and career-worst stats. The return may seem underwhelming, but there were definitely extenuating circumstances.

Look at what Vancouver paid Tampa for him though...

 

[montreal]

Doubtful Heinemann fits top 6 fwd... At least one scout was quoted by Leblanc on this. The saying is temper our expectations.

I wouldn't say doubtful as with prospects it's always about the progress they make or lack of. He's got time, we'll see if he continues to progress or not. If he does then there's something there, if not he can still be a bottom liner with his speed, skating, shot and willingness to take the body. Though to be fair I have seen very little of him and never heard of him before the trade.

 

[vokiel]

I prefer t'empara expectations. Big fan of sushi with a bit of a crunch.

Heineman could play anywhere in the lineup, given the skill set (speed, size\physicality and shot). That's the professional scouting word on the prospect.

You don't need to be an elite player to complement two line mates well enough to play on a first line or a second line.

Building a line and a team sin't an homogenous exercise.

That's where I bring it back to Anderson, who can help on any line. Heineman, who is supposed to be as fearless as Anderson, strikes me as that type of player.

If Heineman can make room for his line mates, he has the skill to play with skilled players and working bees, either or.

People putting down a 20-year old with skill and time to progress are just making rush judgment based on fukc all.

Lets hope they sign him to his ELC first. Then we can get a good picture of him playing vs real NHLers at camp.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I didn't know that, since MB ha recently promoted him.

I remember seeing that somewhere. If I find it, I'll share.

 

[FormerLurker]

Look at what Vancouver paid Tampa for him though...

Yeah and only a little over a year later. He was just hiting his prime and on a pretty good contract so his value was higher by then. Certainly at the time the trade was seen as a clear win for TB. In hindshight NYR should have held onto Miller and traded him to Vancouver themselves!

 

[yianik]

Doubtful Heinemann fits top 6 fwd... At least one scout was quoted by Leblanc on this. The saying is temper our expectations.

As a fan of the Habs for many years, I can say my expectations for every single prospect we have, is tempered.

 

[Frank JT]

If Heineman is a mix of Lehkonen and Andrew Shaw, it could be interesting.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

If Heineman is a mix of Lehkonen and Andrew Shaw, it could be interesting.

Hopefully it’s not the mix of a concussed player who can’t find the back of the net