Speculation: Elias Pettersson will want out of Vancouver (Russo of the Athletic)

[Guttersniped]

At this point, Vancouver is legitimately the most dysfunctional organization in the NHL. The on-ice product sucks, the dressing room and front office have turned into the high school from "Mean Girls", and the general manager just admitted he probably should have retired before taking the job. Oh and the human rights issue, the Aquallini accusations, the COVID mess, multiple sexual assault allageations against players, etc etc etc...

It’s so dysfunctional that no one remembers that Patrik Allvin exists and is actually the Vancouver Canucks GM. (I actually double checked his name before posting, that’s the sort of impression he makes on people who do bother to remember him.)

 

[LemonSauceD]

It’s so dysfunctional that no one remembers that Patrik Allvin exists and is actually the Vancouver Canucks GM. (I actually double checked his name before posting, that’s the sort of impression he makes on people who do bother to remember him.)

He meant to say Jim Rutherford, who is supposedly our hockey op.

 

[Russian_fanatic]

As a Canucks fan, I would want out at this point if I played for then.

This team has done nothing positive since 2012. The Luongo incident, the inability to get the Sedins a proper linemate, how they treated Gillis, how they handled the Kesler trade request, Benning, Juolevi, Virtanen, constantly selling picks for short sighted moves, the OEL trade, the horrible cap management(Loui, Myers, Dickinson, OEL) . We had guys who bled blue and green and they just left (Edler, Tanev) or they want out (Horvat).

If I was Hughes and Petey I too would want out.

 

[Sota Popinski]

You try to extend him the year before and if he doesn't accept you move him for a return.


You trade him for value before he walks. You don't have to hang onto him until he leaves if he isn't willing to sign longer term.

That's literally this coming off-season. So that's why this is coming out now and why the post I was replying to was dumb.

 

[Bond]

Let's keep the Calgary Canucks rolling. Come to Calgary Elias lol

 

[Three On Zero]

Not sure why. The 9 year rebuild is right on course with a top 30 prospect pool and a team CONSTANTLY competing for a top 25 spot in the league while being to the cap max every year and only 4.5 years left on scratched OEL and his $7.2 million contract

Benning? is that you?

 

[Flying Dego]

Hey Pettersson...if McDavid can stick it out with a horrifically run franchise then you should to!

Make your money, put up points, have longer offseasons. Sounds good to me

 

[LeafGrief]

With Horvat wanting out, endless rumours about Miller, and the general wheel spinning going on with the Canucks, it’s a fairly logical extension that other high profile players are unhappy and want out. Pretty big for an Athletic writer to put his name on a hot take like this, but at the same time this is the least surprising hot take you’ll read all month.

 

[Guttersniped]

He meant to say Jim Rutherford, who is supposedly our hockey op.

Oh, I know who he meant, I was referring to how almost everyone talks about Rutherford as the guy running the team and often doesn’t even mention Allvin.

It’s actually pretty bizzare the GM is a complete nobody everyone ignores, it’s arguably dysfunctional.

 

[Three On Zero]

Hey Pettersson...if McDavid can stick it out with a horrifically run franchise then you should to!

Make your money, put up points, have longer offseasons. Sounds good to me

If McDavid can commit to a far worse ran franchise, Pettersson should be a shoe in to stay here

 

[Crede777]

That's literally this coming off-season. So that's why this is coming out now and why the post I was replying to was dumb.

That's incorrect.

This off-season he will have 1 year left on his current deal, but once the current deal is up he will still be an RFA. At that point he can either sign an offersheet and hope Vancouver doesn't match (in which case they get compensation likely in the form of multiple 1st round picks) or he signs his QO for 1 year or they go to arbitration and he elects the 1 year deal. At that point it would make sense for Vancouver to trade him to the highest bidder.

Either way Vancouver has full control and the ability to recoup assets on him until the TDL in 2025. Technically July 1st 2025 is the cutoff since he could be traded after the TDL but the return would decrease dramatically after the TDL which means that's the deadline for all intents and purposes.

The issue is that this approach makes Vancouver seem less desirable from a player perspective compared to teams that bend to the RFA's whims. But if every team in the league followed the letter of the CBA, then that would just be the norm.

 

[thefutures]

Somehow this owner just keeps getting away with getting in the way. Until he sells or actually lets a management team do their jobs, Vancouver will remain dysfunctional

 

[Three On Zero]

With Horvat wanting out, endless rumours about Miller, and the general wheel spinning going on with the Canucks, it’s a fairly logical extension that other high profile players are unhappy and want out. Pretty big for an Athletic writer to put his name on a hot take like this, but at the same time this is the least surprising hot take you’ll read all month.

Horvat doesn't want out, Horvat wants to get paid on the back of the career year he is having.

 

[krutovsdonut]

It’s so dysfunctional that no one remembers that Patrik Allvin exists and is actually the Vancouver Canucks GM. (I actually double checked his name before posting, that’s the sort of impression he makes on people who do bother to remember him.)

it is astonishing what a bad a job this management group has done of establishing a new direction or injecting any positivity into the team. allvin so far is a complete non-entity who seems to be unaware he has a leadership role. rutherford comes across as a grumpy petulant child.

the general negativity and failure to make a single meaningful trade in 13 months after inheriting such a mess, maks is not unreasonable to theorize rutherford is punishing the owners on behalf of his buddy benning (or bettman, or both).

 

[Vector]

Exact quotes on Pettersson:

"My gut says Elias is going to want to move on. That's just my gut. Gut and a little bit of knowledge."

"As Wild fans know, if I say something it's usually because I got a...like...I don't just throw stuff out there. It's never been my style. I just think that with Pettersson, there's some behind the scenes stuff there that would probably want to make him go elsewhere."

 

[Diogenes92]

If he truly doesn't want to be on the Canucks anymore than fine. Trade everyone. Go full scorched-earth.

Canucks will get a king's ransom for Petey and Hughes.

 

[MardyBum]

Need to do a scorched earth rebuild at this point, but it also requires the owner to be tossed in the garbage.

Sell every good player, tank, and someone find the skeletons in Aquilini's closet lol.

 

[AintLifeGrand]

At this point, just move the Canucks

to Atlanta pls

 

[StreetHawk]

The first red flag was signing him to a 3-year deal. And then all that stuff to the media about being non-committal to the team if they weren't trending to becoming contenders

Long term or short term deal doesn’t stop a player from asking out like Eichel did. I don’t recall his contract but last season was year 7 for him so July 1, any trade protection would have kicked in so that would be the drop dead date of team control of where they could send him before you get a limited list.

Q. Hughes who is in a 6 year deal could ask out. Anyone can.

Just a matter of how messy it gets.

 

[mouser]

"Pettersson wants out" would be a rumor.

"Pettersson will want out" is speculation.

 

[Three On Zero]

Exact quotes on Pettersson:

"My gut says Elias is going to want to move on. That's just my gut. Gut and a little bit of knowledge."

"As Wild fans know, if I say something it's usually because I got a...like...I don't just throw stuff out there. It's never been my style. I just think that with Pettersson, there's some behind the scenes stuff there that would probably want to make him go elsewhere."

"gut feeling" and "not my style to throw stuff out there"

 

[Suntouchable13]

Oh, I know who he meant, I was referring to how almost everyone talks about Rutherford as the guy running the team and often doesn’t even mention Allvin.

It’s actually pretty bizzare the GM is a complete nobody everyone ignores, it’s arguably dysfunctional.

I wouldn't necessarily say so. For example, Toronto Raptors in the NBA, very few people mention the Raptors GM who is actually Bobby Webster. The president, Masai Ujiri, runs the show. Nobody calls Toronto Raptors dysfunctional.

 

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Thanks - I hadn't seen that, most likely because it's in the Athletic or I am becoming too much of a casual but I guess the writing was on the wall.

 

[Three On Zero]

"Pettersson wants out" would be a rumor.

"Pettersson will want out" is speculation.

You take one of the larger hockey markets that is currently underperforming, throw enough shit at the wall eventually something will stick. Easy clicks/views when you talk about star players.

Same thing happened right before him and Hughes re-upped on the last contracts