Player Discussion Elias Pettersson Talk | Also Chiropractors, the Medical Staff, and You

[Bobby9]

Its only 3 games, but I think you definitely want to see Petey play better than he has so far for his new contract, especially if he hinted that tendonitis was a factor in his play being affected last season/playoffs. I'm not worried yet but definitely hoping Petey starts to show up because we will win significantly more games if he does.

I think to most people (including me) the points are awesome but it’s the urgency and tenacity and the desire to use the talents he has but for some reason refuses to do so that is making us sick of his play.

Like dude just do what you’re capable and being paid to do. I don’t want you to be Tom Wilson but use your skill set to the level you can every shift.

 

[DFAC]

Its only 3 games, but I think you definitely want to see Petey play better than he has so far for his new contract, especially if he hinted that tendonitis was a factor in his play being affected last season/playoffs. I'm not worried yet but definitely hoping Petey starts to show up because we will win significantly more games if he does.

It's not like he's going through a cold streak or is snake bitten where he's just unlucky. His play has been bad since the All Star break for the last ~40 games which is even more concerning

He looks timid and disinterested out there, constantly shying away from contact. You have to wonder if there's still a nagging injury or if the issue is all between the ears (or both).

This team isn't going anywhere without Pettersson snapping out of his funk

 

[Bobby9]

Hypothetically what’s a contract buy out look for him?

 

[Kryten]

Hypothetically what’s a contract buy out look for him?

Hypothetically…with some rounding numbers

9.2, 2.7, 4.2, 6.4, 10, 10, 10, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2 cap hit

 

[Bobby9]

Hypothetically…with some rounding numbers

9.2, 2.7, 4.2, 6.4, 10, 10, 10, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2 cap hit

Management would have to run the team very lean year 4/5/6/7 with those numbers.

 

[Kryten]

Management would have to run the team very lean year 4/5/6/7 with those numbers.

Then its smooth sailing for years 8-14

 

[mriswith]

For all the whining from the critics about "can't complain about EP around here cuz fanbois" it's clear that all of the exaggerations, ridiculously bombastic comments and borderline trolling are coming solely from the critics, not the "fanboys".

The last time when Pettersson slumped for the first half of the season and turned it around. Does anyone recall what exactly triggered it or he just gradually became better? I think season with 68 pts.

Gradually became better. He was one of the few who didn't get an immediate Bruce bump, it was more around Jan/Feb that his play started to tick up and it carried into the next season.

 

[rypper]

It's far more likely a player of Pettersson's caliber and career so far, bounces back then falls off completely.

 

[LemonSauceD]

For all the whining from the critics about "can't complain about EP around here cuz fanbois" it's clear that all of the exaggerations, ridiculously bombastic comments and borderline trolling are coming solely from the critics, not the "fanboys".

Gradually became better. He was one of the few who didn't get an immediate Bruce bump, it was more around Jan/Feb that his play started to tick up and it carried into the next season.

Yeah he maintained a 100+ point pace between december 2021 and February 2024. By far his most consistent and impressive stretch.

 

[RobertKron]

It's not like he's going through a cold streak or is snake bitten where he's just unlucky. His play has been bad since the All Star break for the last ~40 games which is even more concerning

He looks timid and disinterested out there, constantly shying away from contact. You have to wonder if there's still a nagging injury or if the issue is all between the ears (or both).

This team isn't going anywhere without Pettersson snapping out of his funk

I think the bolded is absolutely out to lunch.

 

[SillyRabbit]

If this is true then our season has likely ended before it started. He had 4 full months of rest and rehab, and THIS is the end result? Now he has to play 82 games in 8 months, adding wear and tear to his hobbled knee, it is not getting better in season.

Zoom out a little bit, would another 4 months off in the summer of 2025 make a difference? If it didn't this time, not sure I'm confident it will next year.

I really hope it's not the knee anymore.

This knee thing is pure fantasy and copium.

In fact, the entire "Pettersson isn't under performing, he's just injured" excuse has run its course at this point.

Hell, it was flimsy to begin with when people tried to claim he was injured for the entire back half of the season and playoffs when Tocchet basically said "that's news to me" in the postseason presser.

I came into this season willing to give him a fresh start. Put all the past behind us and let's see him perform at the level we know he's capable of. No excuses, just perform.

So far, it's been a big "womp womp" through the first 3 games.

My patience with him is wearing very thin, and I'd imagine this is the case for many other fans as well.

 

[Coffee]

I came into this season willing to give him a fresh start. Put all the past behind us and let's see him perform at the level we know he's capable of. No excuses, just perform.

So far, it's been a big "womp womp" through the first 3 games.

My patience with him is wearing very thin, and I'd imagine this is the case for many other fans as well.

Hm, maybe you were willing to give a him fresh start, but changed your mind

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Agreed, those are the kinds of expectations we should be having for all our players, but especially our stars.

The 2011 team had the Sedins leveling up by putting in the work, Burrows did the same, Edler, Kesler etc.

The new-ish teams: Horvat put in the reps to fix issues with his skating, Miller leveled up, Hughes has clearly put in time to fix issues and improve, etc etc.

These are gamers that want to be better and are being held to the highest standards (as they should).

But what I don't get is why people seem to be so protective of Petey. He's a f***ing game breaker level talent, he should be pushing himself and others to a higher standard but it sure doesn't seem like that's the case at all.

His on ice performance for the last few months has been abysmal, doubly so because of the new contract. If he's badly injured, he needs to do the right thing for his future and sit out and heal, life is too short to f*** around with your body.

If he's good enough to play then he needs to be judged at the level of star player that he is, no?

We all (ok, most of us lol) want him to succeed as a Canuck, so what's wrong with holding him to a high standard and voicing our issues with his lack of performance? I don't get it.

The medical staff and coach need to sit him.

The players will allways try to play through injuries if allowed.

This knee thing is pure fantasy and copium.

In fact, the entire "Pettersson isn't under performing, he's just injured" excuse has run its course at this point.

Hell, it was flimsy to begin with when people tried to claim he was injured for the entire back half of the season and playoffs when Tocchet basically said "that's news to me" in the postseason presser.

I came into this season willing to give him a fresh start. Put all the past behind us and let's see him perform at the level we know he's capable of. No excuses, just perform.

So far, it's been a big "womp womp" through the first 3 games.

My patience with him is wearing very thin, and I'd imagine this is the case for many other fans as well.

Only reason to believe this is if you are biased against the player.

This kind of reminds me how posters here hated Mike Gillis because he wasnt nice in interviews.

 

[VanJack]

Let's get one thing clear......if this is what the Canucks are going to get out their highest paid player then they're essential dead in the water. I mean we aren't talking about a three-game slump here....this has been going on for almost the past 40 games.

I read somewhere that he has one five-on-five goal in 28 games. Seriously? The excuses last year and into the playoffs, was that he was playing hurt. At least this is what he said at the end of the season, apparently surprising both the coaches and the medical staff.

I believe Pettersson is trying, and wants to be better. But until he goes out there and proves it, there's nowhere to run and hide from an $11.6m annual salary.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Hm, maybe you were willing to give a him fresh start, but changed your mind

Team is 0-1-2 and he has 1 assist. And so far the only criticism I've given him is "womp womp." I will be much more critical if he keeps this up.

On the other hand, if he starts to perform, I will very happily praise him.

The medical staff and coach need to sit him.

The players will allways try to play through injuries if allowed.


Only reason to believe this is if you are biased against the player.

This kind of reminds me how posters here hated Mike Gillis because he wasnt nice in interviews.

Start a poll right now in the Canucks subforum.

Ask the posters here if they believe that Elias Pettersson is currently injured, and that's why he's playing like this.

You won't do that, because you already know what the results would be.

You are entitled to your opinion but you are very much in the minority. Please don't pretend that anyone who thinks Pettersson is currently healthy is hating on him for some arbitrary reason.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Start a poll right now in the Canucks subforum.

Ask the posters here if they believe that Elias Pettersson is currently injured, and that's why he's playing like this.

You won't do that, because you already know what the results would be.

You are entitled to your opinion but you are very much in the minority. Please don't pretend that anyone who thinks Pettersson is currently healthy is hating on him for some arbitrary reason.

Oh.

I thought you meant his injury didnt explain his slump last season.

There are number of posters who insisted he was healthy and when he came out with the knee injury, instead of admitting they were wrong just decided that he is lying...

 

[DFAC]

I think the bolded is absolutely out to lunch.

Is it though? Right now he looks afraid to initiate any contact

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Is it though? Right now he looks afraid to initiate any contact

Thats not really true.

Small sample size and all but Ive not seen his usual lateral mobility for at least the entire year.

 

[HockeyWooot]

I’m a Petey supporter through and through, but man is he frustrating. When he’s on (eg first half of last year) he’s top 5 material…this is really hard to watch

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

He will be bought out before 2028

Want to bet $500.00 on that?

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Is there something about being Swedish that brings out the absolute dumbest takes on players?

I remember the Sedins before 2011 were a great litmus test for hockey intelligence. We had a fairly large minority of posters going on and on calling them the sisters, saying they don't care, famously suggesting we let them walk so we can sign Cammalleri and Gaborik in 2009, etc etc.

Pettersson has been struggling, he's clearly really hard on himself, his game is based on precision and instincts, and when he gets down on himself his body language can sag. These are all true.

Here's another thing that is true. There are 15 (FIFTEEN) active players in the NHL who are above a point per game for their entire career and one of them is our 25 year old (none of them are younger than he is) center who will likely win a selke or two in his career.

Is he perfect? No, he's still figuring things out. Christ, he's had a better career than Datsyuk had had by this age and it's not particularly close. Do you guys think that maybe, just maybe, we could remember he's human and let him work his way through the wobbles?

He's an absolute superstar who is struggling, but he'll figure it out and likely go on to be the best forward we have had in our franchise history. And there is a plurality who won't enjoy much of this gift and then, if he magically wins the Hart and we win the cup or whatever you 'need' him to do to justify his contract, there will be mass amnesia about the dumb takes.

Just as there were about the 'trade him' takes about him in 2021 just before he blew up into a hundred point two-way beast, or about Hughes in 2021, etc etc.

Can we just acknowledge he's struggling without the histrionics about how he clearly doesn't give a shit, or will be bought out, or blah blah blah.

And I want to reiterate to the guy whose whole schtick is shit talking Petey and said he'll be bought out by 2028. Want to bet $500.00? I'm happy to bet a couple grand if you like, not because I'm a gambler (I'm not), but because free money is free money.

If you're not willing to take that bet, then you clearly don't believe your own rhetoric so maybe chill out a bit.

 

[supercanuck]

Is it though? Right now he looks afraid to initiate any contact

I haven't watched much this year so far, but last year he had by far a career high in hits and was 4th amongst all our forwards. If anything, I think he should focus on what makes him great and not go out looking for hits/contact.

Unless there's something wrong with his wrist, he needs to shoot way more. From what I've heard, Debrusk was able to help get him some good looks last game. Hope that continues and Petey is able to get out of his slump soon.

 

[pitseleh]

I haven't watched much this year so far, but last year he had by far a career high in hits and was 4th amongst all our forwards. If anything, I think he should focus on what makes him great and not go out looking for hits/contact.

Unless there's something wrong with his wrist, he needs to shoot way more. From what I've heard, Debrusk was able to help get him some good looks last game. Hope that continues and Petey is able to get out of his slump soon.

Third amongst forwards in hits taken last year too. He’s usually up there, so it’s not anything new but the numbers are not showing someone who is avoiding contact.

 

[Quinning]

What scares me right now is that he is really a perennial 75-85 point player that had an outlier 100 point season, and he got paid under the assumption that he would develop further into the 110-120 point range.

Make no mistake, even at 75 points he is a solid player. But that would rightfully put him in the $8.5-9 million per range, and right now he's making 35-40% more than that. Wasted space. You pair that with the OEL buyout for the next few years, and that's a top 6 forward and top 4 defenceman we can't afford to add.

Worst scenario is that he never even regains his PPG form due to injury, and now we have a boat anchor contract that will put the nail in the coffin for many seasons to come.

 

[Breakers]

Shouldn’t have traded Kuz