Player Discussion: Ehlers

[JetsFan815]

How Jets' second line got its mojo back

The fix for the Winnipeg Jets' second line's sluggish start to the season was a simple one in the end.

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Billeck failing to mention Sip incessantly hounding Perfetti and Ehlers on this board as one of the reasons that the 2nd line got going.

Hope now he can work his magic on Vilardi.

 

[JetsFan815]

How Jets' second line got its mojo back

The fix for the Winnipeg Jets' second line's sluggish start to the season was a simple one in the end.

winnipegsun.com

“I’ve never, ever said I wanted to play 20 minutes,” Ehlers said. “I’m fine with 16. It’s when it gets down to 11 and 12, that pisses me off. And I said that many times. It’s not a secret. When it gets lower, that’s when it’s frustrating because I can’t get into the games. I’ve played in this league long enough and played well enough to deserve more.

I thought this line was also interesting:

“The 16 minutes are great for me. I’m not a guy that needs to play 20-22 minutes. When lines do that, you don’t get the whole team involved and you need the whole team to win games in the long run.”

 

[Gm0ney]

I thought this line was also interesting:

“The 16 minutes are great for me. I’m not a guy that needs to play 20-22 minutes. When lines do that, you don’t get the whole team involved and you need the whole team to win games in the long run.”

*COUGH* Scheifele *COUGH*

 

[Buffdog]

*COUGH* Scheifele *COUGH*

Exactly

Maybe it's Ehlers who doesn't want to play with Schief?

Nobody's really considered that

 

[surixon]

*COUGH* Scheifele *COUGH*

Yup, I've been a proponent of the top 3 lines each getting 16 to 17 and the fourth getting 9 to 12

 

[bustamente]

Montreal GMKH is apparently making calls, now I really don't want to trade Nik but if he has made the Jets aware that he is not re signing and walking to Free Agency then what better place to trade him to than where his big buddy is.

 

[surixon]

Montreal GMKH is apparently making calls, now I really don't want to trade Nik but if he has made the Jets aware that he is not re signing and walking to Free Agency then what better place to trade him to than where his big buddy is.

My guess is that they would be looking for defense, not more forwards. They are dead last in most defensive metrics.

 

[bustamente]

My guess is that they would be looking for defense, not more forwards. They are dead last in most defensive metrics.

I think they need help at forwards too, almost last with SOG and 24th with GPG. The problem with their D is with exception of Savard and Matheson they are very young and inexperienced, plus they keep putting jack ass on the ice

 

[GNP]

Looks like Nik is on his way to having a career year, as he's close to averaging a point per game. Jets could trade him for a big return, or sign him if they think he's worth the price and risk, of around $ 7.5 mil per year. I'd love to see Ehlers resigned, as he's my favourite player on the Jets, and brings excitement to the game.

He's very very injury prone tho, with a light frame, and if your an owner, it take a lot of guts to sign him for 7 years, and that kind of money. Be very interesting to see what happens.

If Ehlers gets traded, I'm sure Chevy will look for a more physical, gritty type playoff performer, that could take the Jets to the next level. Be very interesting to see what happens with Ehlers with UFA coming up.

Either way, I think the Jets will come out in good shape. Chevy doesn't give anything away.

 

[Jet]

Ith Ehlers and less than a season of term left, those "other parts" would include Perfetti for a true 1RHD. They just don't come up on the trade market

I know they are uncommon, but I could see Ehlers doing a sign and trade to help the Jets out.

My guess is that they would be looking for defense, not more forwards. They are dead last in most defensive metrics.

But but but they had that GOD Kovacevik and they let him go?

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I don't think its money but length. But I think they get something done in the new year

 

[rubikscube]

Jets won't "sell high" at the deadline on Ehlers. As long as the Jets are near atop of the division and in the hunt there's no chance. No serious competitive team would.

They'll hold on to him and run him through playoffs even at the risk of him walking.

You have to shoot your shot when you're competing for the cup.

 

[DRW204]

Jets won't "sell high" at the deadline on Ehlers. As long as the Jets are near atop of the division and in the hunt there's no chance. No serious competitive team would.

They'll hold on to him and run him through playoffs even at the risk of him walking.

You have to shoot your shot when you're competing for the cup.

Agreed. On top of that, The Jets hardly ever make in-season player trades prior to the TDL. Can't see them wavering from that given how the he and the second line have been performing.

 

[Buffdog]

Agreed. On top of that, The Jets hardly ever make in-season player trades prior to the TDL. Can't see them wavering from that given how the he and the second line have been performing.

Thr only scenario is if there's a "hockey trade" that works out with both sides, and Ehlers is extended going the other way

Chevy has often talked about how hard those are to make and are tough to do at the deadline

The only example I can think of is the Kane/Bogo deal, but the circumstances were very, very different with the team out of contention and Kane "injured" and not contributing (while this year the team is flying and Ehlers is lighting it up)

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

My guess is that they would be looking for defense, not more forwards. They are dead last in most defensive metrics.

But, but, but, D was supposed to be the centrepiece of their nearly completed rebuild!
Never should have traded Kovy.

Actually they look weak at C to me, after Suzuki.

 

[Buffdog]

But, but, but, D was supposed to be the centrepiece of their nearly completed rebuild!
Never should have traded Kovy.

Actually they look weak at C to me, after Suzuki.

Missing Kovy isn't what's holding that team back

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Missing Kovy isn't what's holding that team back

They are very near the bottom of the league in GF. Bad, but not nearly as bad, in GA.

Maybe splitting hairs. They need everything. Having Kovy back would probably help - a bit.

 

[Whileee]

I don't think its money but length. But I think they get something done in the new year

That makes a lot of sense to me. I think the Jets would be happy to give Ehlers a good AAV but might balk at going 7 or 8 years for Ehlers. I think something around 6 x 7.5-8.0M would suit the Jets, but Ehlers would probably want to go to 7-8 years.

 

[JetsFan815]

Personally I don't think Jets should be balking at giving Ehlers term. They have already given a ton of term to 55 and 37 and the last few years of those contracts esp that 55 contract are likely to be ugly. The Jets are gonna be in rebuilding posture at that time anyways so Ehlers contract won't be much of an issue.

 

[BarnabyJones PI]

Personally I don't think Jets should be balking at giving Ehlers term. They have already given a ton of term to 55 and 37 and the last few years of those contracts esp that 55 contract are likely to be ugly. The Jets are gonna be in rebuilding posture at that time anyways so Ehlers contract won't be much of an issue.

 

[jetsfan15]

Personally I don't think Jets should be balking at giving Ehlers term. They have already given a ton of term to 55 and 37 and the last few years of those contracts esp that 55 contract are likely to be ugly. The Jets are gonna be in rebuilding posture at that time anyways so Ehlers contract won't be much of an issue.

I think with the rising cap, in 5-7 years I don’t actually think that those contracts are gonna be that “ugly” to the point of the team automatically being in a rebuild mode.

However, I agree that giving term to Ehlers is ok and I would be fine with it. I like our forward prospect pool (Lambert, Yager, He, Walton) and I think Perfetti and Vilardi are gonna be really awesome players for us - they already are, but they have their prime still ahead of them and I think the best is yet to come for those two.

 

[Jet]

Oh this is juicy, and really kind of speaks to the idea that Ehlers minutes are a combination of philosophical usage and the players desire. This is right from Ehlers own mouth:

Looks like the Jets are trying to get him the minutes he wants to try and get him to re-sign? Obviously his play probably factors into it too, but getting him on pp1 is just the sauce to get his minutes up.

 

[scelaton]

Oh this is juicy, and really kind of speaks to the idea that Ehlers minutes are a combination of philosophical usage and the players desire. This is right from Ehlers own mouth:

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Looks like the Jets are trying to get him the minutes he wants to try and get him to re-sign? Obviously his play probably factors into it too, but getting him on pp1 is just the sauce to get his minutes up.

I don't interpret this article the same way. Ehlers denying he asked for 20 minutes does not mean he has not been frustrated with his utilization over the years. The message I get is that he has been, but has been advised to be discreet about it and be a good teammate while he is still a Jet.
Below is another pp from the Athletic article, which tells a different story.

Ehlers’ average ice time has increased from 14:43 through five games to 15:59 after 11 games played, which is the seventh-highest out of Ehlers’ 10 seasons to date. He’s rewarded them for that increase with a hat trick against Columbus and yet another elite points-per-minute rate. The biggest drop in Ehlers’ minutes has occurred at five-on-five, where he’s played the second-fewest minutes of his career. He’s eighth among 12 regularly used Jets forwards, which helps cancel out his increase in power-play time.

There are many teams in the NHL that would play him 18+ minutes a night, and with his elite PPM scoring and possession game, pay him commensurately. Heading into UFA, he and his advisors know that full well.

 

[KingBogo]

Oh this is juicy, and really kind of speaks to the idea that Ehlers minutes are a combination of philosophical usage and the players desire. This is right from Ehlers own mouth:

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Looks like the Jets are trying to get him the minutes he wants to try and get him to re-sign? Obviously his play probably factors into it too, but getting him on pp1 is just the sauce to get his minutes up.

I've always thought he ends up re-signing with the Jets. We will see how the season plays out, but I don't expect Chevy to go the own rental route, and we will be far too competitive to do a futures TDL trade, so I think we see a quiet push to get something done in season well before the TDL.

 

[Jet]

I've always thought he ends up re-signing with the Jets. We will see how the season plays out, but I don't expect Chevy to go the own rental route, and we will be far too competitive to do a futures TDL trade, so I think we see a quiet push to get something done in season well before the TDL.

I hope you're right. I still want to see if this recent play of his will sustain. If he can resist his urge to make a sus pass and instead fire the puck, he becomes a lot more of an asset to the team.

I don't interpret this article the same way. Ehlers denying he asked for 20 minutes does not mean he has not been frustrated with his utilization over the years. The message I get is that he has been, but has been advised to be discreet about it and be a good teammate while he is still a Jet.
Below is another pp from the Athletic article, which tells a different story.

Ehlers’ average ice time has increased from 14:43 through five games to 15:59 after 11 games played, which is the seventh-highest out of Ehlers’ 10 seasons to date. He’s rewarded them for that increase with a hat trick against Columbus and yet another elite points-per-minute rate. The biggest drop in Ehlers’ minutes has occurred at five-on-five, where he’s played the second-fewest minutes of his career. He’s eighth among 12 regularly used Jets forwards, which helps cancel out his increase in power-play time.

There are many teams in the NHL that would play him 18+ minutes a night, and with his elite PPM scoring and possession game, pay him commensurately. Heading into UFA, he and his advisors know that full well.

Oh yeah of course. No denying it. It shows that he has in fact been unhappy with his deployment, BUT, that he's not looking for first line minutes.

The truth is usually somewhere in the middle and I think this article kind of confirms that.