Player Discussion: Ehlers

[Imcanadianeh]

If goals were being scored and we were winning I don’t think ppl would care.

Not really true, the Jets PP was the 7th best in the NHL last year and many people are complaining.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Not really true, the Jets PP was the 7th best in the NHL last year and many people are complaining.

Only because the fan favourite around here Ehlers is being slighted. Ppl don’t have the same love for kfc so if schief and kfc were tied to the bench Ehlers was getting all the playing time and we were winning we wouldn’t hear a peep.

 

[libertarian]

When it comes down to it, I don't really don't care if Ehlers on the first or second powerplay unit as long has his PP TOI increases this year. By the end of this coming season I want to see both Ehlers and Schiefele to have the most PP TOI.

 

[DRW204]

Not really true, the Jets PP was the 7th best in the NHL last year and many people are complaining.

7th ain't 1st!

Idk the splits off hand, on mobile right now, but IIRC the pp2 was scoring at a 1.5-2x of a goal scoring rate compared to pp1 (pp1 was still good). Just a caveat, +/-1 Pp goal can have large swings bc of smaller sample of mins.

 

[Adam da bomb]

When it comes down to it, I don't really don't care if Ehlers on the first or second powerplay unit as long has his PP TOI increases this year. By the end of this coming season I want to see both Ehlers and Schiefele to have the most PP TOI.

And I don’t care who has the most TOI if we are winning. Do you think TB complains about Points minutes? Kucherov? No they say we just won the cup the rest is noise.

 

[Aggie204]

Wearing your heart on your sleeve across multiple threads...
I applaud your passion, but just blurting out PMO negativity in multiple threads causes all the other "passionate" posters to do the same, and really, nothing is going to change unless the season shit tanks no matter how many times you say it...other than we get to read it non stop throughout the season, which is a real treat.
Heck, at least let the season start.

Cheers!

Thank you.

Some of us want to discuss the Jets without ridiculous Maurice hate in every thread.

I agree that the 2nd pp unit should get more ice time however. I think with more back end talent we'll see that this season.

Well I’m very passionate about the Jets (as many of you are) and I’m tired of the status quo by Paul Maurice. If you don’t like my input and pessimism directed at the HC, I wouldn’t be offended if you added me to your ignore list. It’s there for a reason.

GoJetsGo

 

[KingBogo]

And I don’t care who has the most TOI if we are winning. Do you think TB complains about Points minutes? Kucherov? No they say we just won the cup the rest is noise.

There is no possible set of circumstances that at least some won’t complain about. Hell if we win the cup someone will start a thread complaining about who Wheeler handed the cup to first

 

[Weezeric]

Well I’m very passionate about the Jets (as many of you are) and I’m tired of the status quo by Paul Maurice. If you don’t like my input and pessimism direct at the HC, I wouldn’t be offended if you added me to your ignore button. It’s there for a reason.

GoJetsGo

Status quo? Half of the top 4D is replaced and he’s described system changes for all 3 zones? How big of changes are you looking for?

 

[Weezeric]

Idk if pp2 can keep up their efficiency on a year to year basis

But I just wonder how many times Colorado separate McKinnon/makar or rants

Or Edmonton with mcdrai

Or Boston with pasta/Marchand or Bergeron

Maybe if the didn’t load up one powerplay then Colorado and Boston would be better than 8 and 10 in the league. Both behind the Jets.

 

[KingBogo]

Maybe if the didn’t load up one powerplay then Colorado and Boston would be better than 8 and 10 in the league. Both behind the Jets.

It always surprises me how many people don’t appreciate what an advantage it is for us to have Ehlers come off the bench late in PP against a tired first PK or a 2nd PK. No one can do more on his own so let him have total free reign on the second PP in advantageous situations rather than plug him into a role on the first PP at the cost of our second PP going to shit.

 

[libertarian]

And I don’t care who has the most TOI if we are winning. Do you think TB complains about Points minutes? Kucherov? No they say we just won the cup the rest is noise.

I think you missed the point. A teams best players should have the most PP ice time because that will help the team the most. Scheifele and Ehlers are the Jet's best forwards so they should spend the most time on the PP. While I have not looked but I would guess that Point and Kucherov would be some of the TB leaders on their PP TOI.

 

[DRW204]

Interesting . Wheres Edmonton? And is this gf/60 or pp% (which can be skewed) i

Maybe if the didn’t load up one powerplay then Colorado and Boston would be better than 8 and 10 in the league. Both behind the Jets.

 

[Aggie204]

Status quo? Half of the top 4D is replaced and he’s described system changes for all 3 zones? How big of changes are you looking for?

Status quo would be the same coaching staff. That’s the big change I’d like to see. How would the team look with a new head coach/defence. I get with the new line up and giving them patience. I just don’t have it in me.

 

[Jet]

Status quo would be the same coaching staff. That’s the big change I’d like to see. How would the team look with a new head coach/defence. I get with the new line up and giving them patience. I just don’t have it in me.

Then maybe you should take a break until that happens.

There's no guarantee that a new coaching staff would improve the Jets play anyway. Would you be happy if the staff was replaced and the Jets played worse?

 

[Snot Rocket]

Well I’m very passionate about the Jets (as many of you are) and I’m tired of the status quo by Paul Maurice. If you don’t like my input and pessimism directed at the HC, I wouldn’t be offended if you added me to your ignore list. It’s there for a reason.

GoJetsGo

Sure, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion and I fully support you voicing your opinion, in an appropriate thread.
If you don't like PMO, great, start a coach thread and have at it.
Why would I ignore you? I have no reason to weed your other comments out, that is unless you're now just going to be spamming coach stuff in every thread.
Seriously, there are actually conversations/discussion/ constructive debates going on... don't you think that it might wear a little thin cross posting off topic coach critiques in various threads?
Let's get back to Ehlers, post up a coach thread if you want to have that discussion. Heck, put PMO sucks under your avatar, then everyone will know where you stand without you needing to keep reinforcing it.
Here's to a great season, hopefully Ehlers totally explodes in the scoring race this year.

Cheers!

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think you missed the point. A teams best players should have the most PP ice time because that will help the team the most. Scheifele and Ehlers are the Jet's best forwards so they should spend the most time on the PP. While I have not looked but I would guess that Point and Kucherov would be some of the TB leaders on their PP TOI.

I think you missed the point that as long as we are winning I’m happy and it sounds more like some ppl around here are Ehlers fans 1st. Kfc is our best finisher. But if Copp had better chemistry and allowed us to win I wouldn’t say but kfc.

 

[LowLefty]

When it comes down to it, I don't really don't care if Ehlers on the first or second powerplay unit as long has his PP TOI increases this year. By the end of this coming season I want to see both Ehlers and Schiefele to have the most PP TOI.

Hopefully our top PP goal scorer gets a few shifts as well

 

[ps241]

There is no possible set of circumstances that at least some won’t complain about. Hell if we win the cup someone will start a thread complaining about who Wheeler handed the cup to first

I agree. It’s easier without Laine because now at least most people posting on the Jets board are Jets fans. I hit the wall on that stage of debating non Jets fans with player over team agendas.

 

[DashingDane]

I think the most valid argument for putting Nicky on PP1 would be because they have struggled with zone entries for multiple seasons. I don’t mind him on either but think Paul needs to find ways to use Scheif, Connor and Nicky for as many special teams minutes as possible.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Only because the fan favourite around here Ehlers is being slighted. Ppl don’t have the same love for kfc so if schief and kfc were tied to the bench Ehlers was getting all the playing time and we were winning we wouldn’t hear a peep.

You see exactly the same love for KFC and Scheifele and versions of the same argument when either or both are wrongly under appreciated — look at last year’s PO threads. Teams and players draw strong opinions. We surely even have a few stoical Wheeler « fanbois » left arguing for his point totals and likely return to form this/any year, etc. And if happens, great.

I really don’t thing there’s a real « fans of Ehlers not the Jets » thing running. It may be more if a « let’s see more of the teams best winger/ skater thing — but sure, if peak CSW or whoever brings home the SC bacon, so be it. Hell yeah.

 

[BoneDocUK]

In what might be perceived as a straight-up lobbying effort, Nik is this year's "projected breakout star" according to The Athletic:

Winnipeg Jets: Nikolaj Ehlers
It’s not exactly fair to call Winnipeg’s points-per-minute leader in each of the past two seasons a “breakout” candidate. That said, Ehlers has been limited to a second-line role at five-on-five while being kept off of the top power-play unit. I think we’re at the point of the 25-year-old Ehlers’ career where he’s been too good for too long to be denied the kind of minutes that make gifted players’ production soar. -Murat Ates

From Alexis Lafrenière to Filip Zadina, predicting one breakout star for all 32 NHL teams

 

[JetsFan815]

Unfortunately Ehlers is no longer drawing penalties like he used to:

Maybe he is no longer getting the benefit of doubt from the refs or maybe it's bad luck but his penalty draw rate has fallen off big time this season so far.

 

[DRW204]

Unfortunately Ehlers is no longer drawing penalties like he used to:

Maybe he is no longer getting the benefit of doubt from the refs or maybe it's bad luck but his penalty draw rate has fallen off big time this season so far.

are penalties down as whole? might be systematic

 

[Adam da bomb]

It’s amazing ehlers has looked great out there as KFC has taken a step back.

 

[JetsFan815]

are penalties down as whole? might be systematic

Not sure about league wide but not the case for the Jets. The Jets are drawing penalties so far at a rate higher than the last 3 seasons, instead of Ehlers leading by a country mile though, it is guys like Dubois, Harkins and Lowry leading them.