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Nickel eye Heel hers said:
I don't have a problem with Ehlers on the 2nd line.
I have a problem with him not receiving more PP minutes. If the coach is going to keep the PP units the same then, the units should be getting similar time and not so lopsided. Ehlers PP unit is better than PP1, it only makes sense to make that unit PP1 or even the time out.
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Reason #1096 that Paul Maurice is the NHL leader in losses.
 
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Aggie204 said:
Reason #1096 that Paul Maurice is the NHL leader in losses.
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Wearing your heart on your sleeve across multiple threads...
I applaud your passion, but just blurting out PMO negativity in multiple threads causes all the other "passionate" posters to do the same, and really, nothing is going to change unless the season shit tanks no matter how many times you say it...other than we get to read it non stop throughout the season, which is a real treat.
Heck, at least let the season start.

Cheers!
 
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Weezeric said:
The top line was positive corsi share last year and got .878 goaltending at 5v5. I think their metrics will come up with a much better defence behind them. Ehlers is doing fine where he is.
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Seriously?
That would be like Chevy saying we did fine last year, why look to improve?
Good teams are always looking to improve.
Ehlers is our most talented forward.
He definitely needs much more PP time. He would be our best bet on PP1 as the main passer/shooter.
 
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For anyone curious about the Thornton and Ehlers back and forth that one game last season, Thornton was mad at Ehlers because he thought he dived, and in the penalty boxes he was telling Ehlers how he would beat him in a fight.

He was mic'd up that game for the new Amazon series and they showed the altercation
 
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bennylundholm said:
Seriously?
That would be like Chevy saying we did fine last year, why look to improve?
Good teams are always looking to improve.
Ehlers is our most talented forward.
He definitely needs much more PP time. He would be our best bet on PP1 as the main passer/shooter.
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He would not be the main passer / shooter on PP1 -
There are a couple of others already on PP1 that shoot and pass at a very high level.
IMO, both Scheif and KC have a better release than Ehlers and both pass as well if not better than him.
The only way he would be the best passer / shooter is to work PP1 the way he works PP2 - which is to do most of it on his own.
And it you are going to do it on your own, why play him with a bunch of guys that also pass / shoot at a very high level.

Ehlers strength is shooting on the fly - he loves to do it on his own. His claim to fame is his ability to move the puck at high speed and beat defenders via pure speed or using his edges to make those cuts into shooting positions.
He'll have more opportunity to do that on the 2nd PP where he drives the play on is own and he is the best shooter.

There's a reason why they have Ehlers playing PP2 - it's the same reason he plays on the second line - and I'd guess that Ehlers is more than happy to have that freedom in both situations.
 
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LowLefty said:
He would not be the main passer / shooter on PP1 -
There are a couple of others already on PP1 that shoot and pass at a very high level.
IMO, both Scheif and KC have a better release than Ehlers and both pass as well if not better than him.
The only way he would be the best passer / shooter is to work PP1 the way he works PP2 - which is to do most of it on his own.
And it you are going to do it on your own, why play him with a bunch of guys that also pass / shoot at a very high level.

Ehlers strength is shooting on the fly - he loves to do it on his own. His claim to fame is his ability to move the puck at high speed and beat defenders via pure speed or using his edges to make those cuts into shooting positions.
He'll have more opportunity to do that on the 2nd PP where he drives the play on is own and he is the best shooter.

There's a reason why they have Ehlers playing PP2 - it's the same reason he plays on the second line - and I'd guess that Ehlers is more than happy to have that freedom in both situations.
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If your content with bowing out in 4 in round 2, then yes, I guess you don’t change it.
I’d hope the thought is rather how can we get better?
 
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bennylundholm said:
If your content with bowing out in 4 in round 2, then yes, I guess you don’t change it.
I’d hope the thought is rather how can we get better?
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That doesn't really argue any of @LowLefty 's points and move the conversation forward. It's pretty much just saying if you are fine with losing than fine do it your way. Which there are so many points to be made like Wheeler's wheels fell off and replacing him with Ehlers and speed would make the powerplay more dangerous. Also it makes it more dangerous if the players can rotate roles. The coach has said he recognizes Ehlers unit needs more minutes. I'm willing to give him a few games to see if he follows through.
 
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Weezeric said:
Top 45 in the NHL kind of indicates top line minutes does it not? Pastrnak gets five seconds more per game. Is he not a first liner?
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Of course he is. But Pasta is not playing second-fiddle to a formerly top end line driving RW who now struggles at 5v5 and was a defensive liability last year and has been visibly and analytically on the decline for some years now.

Thé argument is less about TOI than it ks about stubbornly persisting to use as your 1RW a declining player instead of one of the leagues top winger across many metrics who also happens to be your best puck carrier, possession player, overall impact player and leading /60 scorer — why? Loyalty? Chemistry?

It doesn’t make sense to me. But it does to PoMo, obviously, and he runs the bench.

If Nik is happy and producing c’est la vie, I suppose. It isn’t unlike the Gallagher situation in MTL, and that can also drive fans crazy.
 
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JetsUK said:
Of course he is. But Pasta is not playing second-fiddle to a formerly top end line driving RW who now struggles at 5v5 and was a defensive liability last year and has been visibly and analytically on the decline for some years now.

Thé argument is less about TOI than it ks about stubbornly persisting to use as your 1RW a declining player instead of one of the leagues top winger across many metrics who also happens to be your best puck carrier, possession player, overall impact player and leading /60 scorer — why? Loyalty? Chemistry?

It doesn’t make sense to me.
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Imo it is clearly about loyalty and keeping his chief backer in the room happy. It most certainly isn't about ability at this point in time.
 
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surixon said:
Well hopefully it's a competition this year and the better unit gets more time. The second unit should be pretty potent as well with Pionk, Ehlers and Dubois.
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I agree -
I think that second unit has big potential - especially if Dubois brings another level (and I think he will)
I also think the make up of that unit is better suited to Ehlers game
I like that he takes over and drives the PP via his possession and shooting - I'm not convinced the first unit will provide those same opportunities.
I actually think he would be more production where he is - and it won't surprise me if they are first out more often.
 
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LowLefty said:
I agree -
I think that second unit has big potential - especially if Dubois brings another level (and I think he will)
I also think the make up of that unit is better suited to Ehlers game
I like that he takes over and drives the PP via his possession and shooting - I'm not convinced the first unit will provide those same opportunities.
I actually think he would be more production where he is - and it won't surprise me if they are first out more often.
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It ultimately depends how you arrange each unit and the tactics deployed.
 
How would people feel if the 'second powerplay unit' was the first? Would people feel like Scheifele was being wasted if he was coming over the boards with 30 seconds to go?
 
Snot Rocket said:
Wearing your heart on your sleeve across multiple threads...
I applaud your passion, but just blurting out PMO negativity in multiple threads causes all the other "passionate" posters to do the same, and really, nothing is going to change unless the season shit tanks no matter how many times you say it...other than we get to read it non stop throughout the season, which is a real treat.
Heck, at least let the season start.

Cheers!
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Thank you.

Some of us want to discuss the Jets without ridiculous Maurice hate in every thread.

I agree that the 2nd pp unit should get more ice time however. I think with more back end talent we'll see that this season.
 
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Idk if pp2 can keep up their efficiency on a year to year basis

But I just wonder how many times Colorado separate McKinnon/makar or rants

Or Edmonton with mcdrai

Or Boston with pasta/Marchand or Bergeron
Jack7222 said:
How would people feel if the 'second powerplay unit' was the first? Would people feel like Scheifele was being wasted if he was coming over the boards with 30 seconds to go?
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JetsUK said:
Of course he is. But Pasta is not playing second-fiddle to a formerly top end line driving RW who now struggles at 5v5 and was a defensive liability last year and has been visibly and analytically on the decline for some years now.

Thé argument is less about TOI than it ks about stubbornly persisting to use as your 1RW a declining player instead of one of the leagues top winger across many metrics who also happens to be your best puck carrier, possession player, overall impact player and leading /60 scorer — why? Loyalty? Chemistry?

It doesn’t make sense to me. But it does to PoMo, obviously, and he runs the bench.

If Nik is happy and producing c’est la vie, I suppose. It isn’t unlike the Gallagher situation in MTL, and that can also drive fans crazy.
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There's suffering known as combining player types and chemistry.

Ehlers is better than Wheeler but would be make pp1 better? I don't think so as Wheeler is a primary passer on that unit abs does it very well, still. He has shooters in 55 and 81 abs I think adding another shooter throws the balance off.

Don't use 3 skinny players in Nintendo hockey.
 
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Jack7222 said:
How would people feel if the 'second powerplay unit' was the first? Would people feel like Scheifele was being wasted if he was coming over the boards with 30 seconds to go?
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If goals were being scored and we were winning I don’t think ppl would care.
 
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